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3 calendar months .

1 hour ago, Yeahiwasder4dat said:

I feel you, it's weird how the market goes. I sent some Handcuts to SGC because they will give it a numerical grade. PSA will only label authentic if it doesn't have the entire border regardless of how good everything else is. mess was probably cut by 8 year olds 60 years ago. Thousands of dollars can depend on how skilled they were with scissors and following the outside of the line??? 🙄 

Vintage goes to SGC, Modern to PSA for me. Can't wait for CSG for my personal collection. Not trying to get any money out of the grading so it should be decent turn around but still get them encapsulated.

Yes,

Honestly,  Flippers will get "grade shock" if CSG grades like they do CGC cards.  The grades will be lower and the flippers will go back to PSA/BGS for resale prices and easier grades. Could be a good or bad thing.  But i will submit the day CSG opens the doors.   But the wait is like waiting for grades to pop.   "SOON" is like months.  "DAYS" are like months.  I have no idea what "SOON" is at this point.  LOL.  (it was in a couple of weeks in Dec 2020, Then it was beginning of Jan 2021, now it is Feb 2021.  LOL.

2 minutes ago, Yeahiwasder4dat said:

Legit in terms of grade. Too many people see their grades as inconsistent and all over the map. Will a 10 be an actual 10, or an 8. I think it was on net54 someone tried them and got a ten on a card with a 1/16-32" of the corner bent. It was pretty easy to see without much effort.

I seen horrible PSA/BGS  graded cards. Totally off centered PSA 10's.  counterfeit cards slabbed in PSA/BGS Slabs.   

It is what it is.  I use PSA,BGS,SGC,CGC and even GMA for a test.   They all suck and are great at the same time.

8 minutes ago, Yeahiwasder4dat said:

Don't think anyone has ever considered GMA legit for anything other than a glorified top loader. Simply never considered them due to that, at least in baseball card realm. Resale value is non-existent.

"legit" ?   i think GMA is legit up to $100 cards.   For me, all the companies are "legit" up to a certain value that  differs for each company.

24 minutes ago, Ron Churches said:

GMA was never, ever considered a strong option.  They have holes in their process and are not viewed as legitimate by anyone I've ever seen and their sales land around NM prices consistently on every marketplace I have seem them offered (if they are able to sell, at all).  To date, I have seen little data that would support that CGC is inconsistent with their grading results.  If anything, I'd expect they'd grade the same card fairly consistently, since they state they lean on technology as a major factor in their grading process. This is likely why their centering and surface grading is seen as 'tougher' overall and would lead to a more objective grading result.  

Have you actually used GMA?   

I have submitted and bought GMA slabs.  They are inconsistent.  But there are great finds in GMA Slabs.   i have bought GMA 8 slabs that grade PSA 10.   GMA 10 that grade PSA 10.   But, i have bought GMA 10 slabs that look like 8's also .

At this point ,  CGC seems to be consistent.  But a little to strict on the centering in my opinion.    As CGC grows and hire more graders, we will find out how consistent they will be.   I use PSA(1000's),BGS(1000's) ,SGC(past),CGC(1,000+) and GMA(20 cards)

They all have a use to me personally.   Good and Bad.  But i base my opinions on actual use , not hearsay. 

Being the strictest does  not mean better. 

Consistency is most important to succeed in the long run.

GMA graded easier in the past, i would buy there cards knowing to just down grade the grades by 1.

Now GMA is overly strict on some cards.  now i do not even buy the cards because i do not know what i am dealing with grade wise.

CONSISTENCY IS KING. 

Consistently easy graders, fine.

Consistently strict graders fine.

INCONSISTENT GRADERS,  HORRIBLE.

2 hours ago, DB Cards said:

There's something wrong with your order if that's the case. Did you enter all cards in correctly? Not sure why yours would be still scheduled when mine was received 11/6/20 and finalized/shipped 12/31/20.

Every time i call they give me the same "bogus" answer.  "Oh, its in grading and being finalized"  after awhile , i begin to realize the answer  is just a "lie" to make customers happy or get off the phone. 

My other orders are rolling in only 1-3 weeks late.  

10/28 and still "scheduled for grading".

LOOOOOONGGGG.

I HAVE A SUBMISSION FROM OCT 2020 STILL "SCHEDULED FOR GRADING"

Anyone ever figure out what the perks are at the highest level $299 ?  Only the 15% discount?  It says "other perks,etc.."

• RECEIVED  10/28
• TODAY 1/8/2021    "scheduled for grading"
• When will this finish ?
• This is a LONG TIME  .   

10/-28-2020 YES,  This is real.  today   (1/7/2021)

I might be in the lead for longest sub as of this day.

did get back some subs that was from early Nov 2020. for some reason the 10/28 sub is in the black hole.

23 hours ago, Yeahiwasder4dat said:

Don't mean to be so person_without_enough_empathyy, but need I to rely on turnaround times to be somewhat accurate. Display maximum turnaround instead of minimum. Dropped $800 on 2 day, still hasn't been shipped back to me. Got a generic email with "times aren't guaranteed". The entire concept of paying more is to get it done faster? Going on 4 days, 3 if closed new years eve. At this point feel like I got suckered. Can we get accurate turn around times so I'm not blowing chunks of money? Bulk or Economy being a little late is one thing as the value is significantly lower, but when you're shoveling money into a premium service and it isnt being completed its frustrating. If I didn't need it as fast as possible I would go 10 day and save myself the money. Making it impossible to time submissions so that one gives me a few days to sell to fund the next round as it arrives at your location. Going to have to fund the next submission out of pocket since it arrived at your location today and my others are so delayed. Information such as the turnaround times accuracy is paramount to some of us. Thanks.

To give an example of where I'm coming from. It's less about it being 3-4 days, and more about the inaccurate times and the up front billing. I'll have 4 total submissions in at once, with all of the money going one way. Having 4 outstanding orders at one time is a big hit to the pocket. If the orders weren't billed until graded it would help tremendously so that it wasn't so much out of pocket and the faster service cards could be paid for and sold before the others finished. I understand that billing is different between each business as SGC bills upfront as well. I'm simply not made out of money, have close to a thousand+ cards I'm trying to have graded and need the communication and reliability to come up with the best possible plan to get this done.

Literally as soon as I post this, it changes and is finished. Point remains the same though. Not getting accurate turn around times is frustrating.

Also, one of the Kabutops I sent in was Spanish, but when I view grades it says they're both English 🤔

Dont feel bad, i know your pain of having paid services , not finishing.  I had about $5000 in submissions paid for.  Then CGC changed it to 60 days.  1/2 are coming back. but the other half is still going thru the process.  EVEN FROM OCT. WELL OVER 30 DAYS TURNAROUND.

1 hour ago, Mephisto said:

Relatively new service and section of the boards. Just with all grading services an uptick in grading turnaround times was inevitable. I can also see some people holding off on submitting at the launch to see a larger sampling size, experiences, and even sales prices of cards in CGC slabs. 

I am just worried about how soon the next "change" in turnaround times will be.  next months change 120 business days? 

i have a 10/28 still "scheduled for grading" .   duh

10/28  submission jumped back and forth from "scheduled to grade" ot "grading" back to "scheduled to grade" at the moment.

a couple of NOV submissions have been finished and shipped.

2021 i guess.

34 minutes ago, mattyzeepgam said:

You own multiple companies yet your on here spending your time ranting lol? Ya ok man I totally believe you. You totally have the free time to give free consulting and not ask for anything in return since your the ultimate business man. 

Im done arguing since this is just a complete waste of time. Your more interested in ranting and your just in your own world. Your not as important as you think and your probably a narcissist. 

Props to CGC for putting up with people like this. I appreciate their business and look forward to working with them. Hope they get rest from the holidays and things get soon since they are helping people make money and Im very appreciative of that.

LOL,  you should read ALL YOUR POSTS to yourself .   All your post talks about yourself. It is so funny.

LOL.    Its almost the end of the year. Start spending to get your business deductions. 

36 minutes ago, mattyzeepgam said:

Not every customer is a good one though. In my business, I dont care if certain people dont come back. The headaches arent worth it and long term they are just going to be a pain in the butt to deal with. They are not the only people in the world with money.

Thats why I keep pushing people to learn perspective. From CGC's point of view, are you really going to be listening to a few super vocal people who you dont even know? If the complaints were consistent, then that is one thing. If a few random people are complaining, then there is the door. CGC has something valuable in their quick turnaround times that are still light years faster than BGS and PSA. They have the leverage here. And again, holidays. Pandemic. Human beings. Any rational person can put 2 and 2 together and come to a conclusion on why things are the way they are.

It is you that is making a lot of assumptions.  What makes you think you are the only person that owns a company posting on here?  I have have and still own multiple companies. That is why i have a strong opinion on how companies should be run and treat customers.  Cash flow is very important in the business world.  Charging customers upfront for unfulfillable promises is not a good thing.   If you are in denial of customers opinions and think you know everything, good luck improving your business.  The people running the CGC card grading division are young and most likely have never owned or ever run a business, This situation of being "successful by having so much submission and success" is more luck than any type of skill on building a business (pandemic + PSA/bgs/sgc over flow + pokemon craze_).  They need some direction.   Luck is great, but to sustain longevity takes skill.    

1 hour ago, mattyzeepgam said:

That is what they choose to do though. You as a customer agree to it. If you dont like it then you go elsewhere. Its not really up to the customer to tell a company how to run things. 

Guess what?  I am..   I use PSA, BGS and CGC.   CGC  HAD a use with the 30 day turnaround.  PSA is for high $$$$ cards,bulk and express. BGS is great with express. 

   I guess i should spread the word around the open forums then.   Giving CGC a chance to solve the problems on there OWN FORUM.  Keeping it inhouse. 

E4

40 minutes ago, mattyzeepgam said:

Im not really the one to defend companies too often but I think people are being a bit too harsh on BGS and need to be a bit more patience.

I say this since they have been shut down for 2 holidays in a row and with the pandemic going on, these guys have been working their *** off and needed a break. Im totally ok if they take off New Years as well since their human beings. They arent robots that you send cards to and they just **** them out.

Like I get that people have their money held up, but its cardboard. Its not life or death situation. Just think people should have some perspective.

Its just cards , True,  So grading companies should charge us at the end of grading.  Its just Cards.   I would have no problem if grading companies charged the customer at completion of services like any other business.    There is no risk when a company charges upfront for product or services.   They can change policies and take as long as they want as only the consumer has risk.

Total BS.   Why do i get penalized for your identifiers mistakes?  i have some orders bouncing in and out of Scheduled to grade to Grading then back to Scheduled to grade....  Because CGC identified my cards wrong.

REALLY NOT HAPPY AT THIS POINT.   Orders received 10/28/2020 still "scheduled for grading" ... This is FFF UP.

I give CGC the chance to clean this mistakes up privately first (email) , then on CGC forums and boards.  if all that does not work, i post these problems on open forums.  It is in the best interest to solve the problems in the EMAIL STAGE. 

All i want is my cards graded in approx the time promised, not 2x-3x the times posted when i submitted 500 cards.  I was supportive of CGC .

but a customer can only deal with so many mistakes and excuses.

THE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT CGC.     

They make up the rules as they go along.  What is policy  today may not be what is policy tomorrow.   

On 12/18/2020 at 3:54 PM, DB Cards said:

While not great, it at least means the market as a whole is starting to accept CGC. Still a crazy good turnaround compared to PSA/BGS. That said, I do wish I would’ve known of the turnaround time change before sending in my newest order

LOL,  I upgraded my membership the day before and mailed a bulk submission the day before the double turnaround time. 

Great timing for me.  (sarcastic).

On 12/24/2020 at 7:17 PM, mr_highgrade said:

You guys definitely don't wanna go the PSA route. They're basically 9 months behind. 

PSA is not that bad if you think "cash flow", they charge when they finish Grading.   BGS/SGC/CGC charge when received, having money locked up in "limbo" for months is actually a bad situation for customers financially.  Never good to give free loans to companies.

7 hours ago, Yeahiwasder4dat said:

I feel like it's somewhat deceptive and counter productive. They charged me soon after it was received, vs PSA when it's more or less on the way back. So for a bulk submission that's roughly $500 sitting in limbo. As far as times being reflective instead of predictive, seems like a way to bamboozle the people that sent submissions in last. I'd much rather it say 60 days and have it come back sooner than to plan around a 30 day mark and suddenly it's double. If I have to pay up front, and then they tell me it will take twice as long what reason would I have to use them again after being burned to that extent? Not that 60 days is atrociously bad, but as a contractor if I told someone their kitchen renovation would be done in a month +/- few days, then double the time they would be beyond livid. Value starts to falter when you can't be consistent with your schedule. Over promise, under deliver isn't the way to go.

Perfectly said.  I dont think the younger staff in the CGC department understand owning their own Business.  Cash flow, customers service, problem solving and business ethics.   I truly wand CGC to be a major competitor in the grading card sector, but they are making the same mistake SGC made this summer.  This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for CGC to take advantage of,  This type of opportunity does not happen every year.    Please CGC,  do it right.