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On 8/13/2022 at 11:42 AM, Jimmy Linguini said:

 

It gets worse the longer you look at it...it's so off model that it's somehow mesmerizing. Poinjts for bootlegging two disney properties at once though. Whoever bought this should crack it and ask for something from pixar or star wars as a remark for his next SS event, see how deep you can go. 

On 8/13/2022 at 11:42 AM, Jimmy Linguini said:

LOL black flag is using his daughters account to sell these on the Clayton Crain facebook page.

This is getting good. Yes it says it sold for $3500, no, no one has been identified as purchasing this item.

I don't have anything to add, just wanted to quote this monstrosity 

Too funny

On 8/12/2022 at 1:33 PM, JC25427N said:

I mean come on thats an easy bet, theres a do you pooh cover for everything. The amber turd cover was hilarious 

ok fine

somewhere right now someone at dynamite is planning out 46 plastic flag variants

On 8/12/2022 at 1:25 PM, Bob Sacamano said:

That’s supposedly what’s happening with the Ghost Rider book.  “Ghost Rider Vs” something er other variant.

right, and disney is known to be lax with IP so it should be chill

but, maybe there's some grey area where you are modifying something you did license/buy under contract after the fact so it becomes fair use. 

what is sure though is now that these get a special label distinction you'll get copycats, and those should be even goofier. given cgcs newest statement i dont think youll ever see a copycat in a slab, but i would bet someone is drawing winne the pooh holding a flag on plastic as we speak

I'm actually interested to see if they step it up and put a character they own on the overlay of a marvel book. Maybe they also talked to Disney ahead of time?

I don't know why I'm getting shades of a decade of looney tunes characters dressed as Kriss Kross on airbrushed t shirts. 

On 8/12/2022 at 1:10 PM, ExNihilo said:

How much will Liefeld charge to produce acetate covers?  I think the boards could collectively get enough for his commission fees to slap something on a bunch of $1 X-Force #1's.  Who wants in?  We can get one of the many lawyers on the boards to maybe write up a contract in exchange for a percentage of earnings.  

 

You might have missed the third bullet point 

On 8/12/2022 at 1:10 PM, ExNihilo said:

- A copy of the comic with the attached cover had to be submitted to us for inspection prior to certifying any copies.

That's the out for anyone else to try this and get rejected/NG. 

If you replace the phone with a folded american flag and include a RIVERDALE stamp somewhere..then I'll take 10

On 8/12/2022 at 12:38 PM, NewWorldOrder said:

What is this the play by play of JFK's assassination or C2E2 UF4? 

Is this guy serious?

I'm the black hole in the middle of the convention 

Maybe CGC realizes only insufficiently_thoughtful_persons would design this, or buy this, or slab this and the rest of us will just forget this exists eventually. 

The idea that they have two more of these ugly stapled books to show off is pretty funny though. 

Plus, as mentioned above, the idea that I can ask an artist to create a goofy overlay and get that blue label graded opens up some fun possibilities. 

e: word filter made it even better honestly, ITPs indeed

The overlay they created really is comically bad. I would say it's straight out of the 90's school of graphic design but I can't even come up with a period example as bad tbh. Wild they said Clayton Crain designed it. 
 

On 8/11/2022 at 12:49 PM, Sigur Ros said:

I am pretty sure there is no way anyone is going to get away with doing that. 

That this was a one-time deal between CGC and Black Flag. Arranged to get the outcome they got, for cash.  Like they did with Bad Idea. 

That it has no effect on their procedures or standards. 

That they're just sitting silently waiting for it to blow over...because they know it will. 

Then, they'll make another deal sometime next year and we'll all talk about the new one. 

Repeat. 

I would argue this is a unique situation compared to something like the Bad Idea cover only book. Here you have what is legit a bootleg by the very definition skirting the rules of anything else classified as bootleg, without publisher (marvel/disney) consent. Other people pointed out a line of variants called "museum editions" that are the same thing but those are rejected from grading. 
There could be no consequence to this like you said, but if you're an impartial third party grading service credibility would be a major asset worth protecting..I would think...
But I'm just one customer sending books seeing this unfold with a raised eyebrow., not some mass dealer or anything. 

I gotta wonder if anyone is now going to try having an artist make something on a clear overlay, staple that to a book and send it in as a custom variant now that CGC has weighed in saying that as long as the artist designed it it's "manufactured"
That can't be a fun pandora's box to open 

On 8/11/2022 at 12:04 PM, awakeintheashes said:

Pretty much, yeah. And, CGC graded it with a blue label. 

This is the important bit. The rest is just distracting from this. Especially important when ebay is pulling these for being bootleg but CGC certified it..pretty big disconnect. 

I sent in two sets of books to facilitators last year for signings they had. One set of 3 books went out May 2021, were "quick pressed" by the store..whatever that actually means, and then sent to cgc. I got those back may 2022, almost a year to the day. 

Talked to cgc today about the second set of 8 books. They got to the facilitator 7/6/21 but they don't press so they were sent as modern + ccs..A year in and they are still 4 months away from being pressed (was told CCS is working on 8/21 books now), then up to a year TAT in grading. So I think my eta is like 12/23 for stuff I sent 7/6/21..just a quick 2.5 years, no bigs. 
Lesson learned on that, anything SS is just going to be submitted by me to cgc directly..those seem to be under a year at worst, usually much quicker unless the signing date pushes or it's magazine sized

On 8/10/2022 at 2:43 PM, Wall-Crawler said:

Not sure if this has been posted yet but...

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/marvel-did-not-approve-ultimate-fallout-4-acetate-covers-at-c2e2/

"Today, Bleeding Cool has been able to confirm that Marvel Comics did not approve Black Flag's addition of an acetate cover as a further variant, and it is also not something they would permit. I am sure David Gabriel SVP Print, Sales & Marketing at Marvel, is having fascinating conversations with Black Flag Comics right about now, while stopping copycat moves from other retailers. While retailer-exclusive covers have been popular in the market, publishers have to approve them for branding and taste issues, and to avoid possible controversies. Opening it up to anyone to amend covers in this way, and then sell them, is something Marvel will not allow."

If Marvel does send a "cease and desist" to Black Flag citing copyright or some other issue (breach of contract, I have no idea) and the other ones get pulled, if the PUBLISHER of the actual comic forces that, what is CGC's stance on these frakenbooks then?

Before you even get to that you still have the current issue where the largest online marketplace now classifies this as fake and will pull listings, but CGC has certified it as genuine. That's a tough one to ignore. I would imagine this gets delisted entirely, but will have some sort of weird value to it in places that don't pull sales. It's also a reprint with an ugly plastic cover over it, so, yikes all around. 

Shipped notice today, have a triple signed 9.8 headed back to me, pretty happy. 

On 1/1/2022 at 2:42 PM, AkumaDave said:

I asked Bill to draw Elektra as a "sexy lethal goddess". Also asked for the lower right placement.
(I used the CGC yellow signature bag and wrote on that and drew placement arrows.

Bought this book in a hurry for the signing for $5 with some non-color-breaking flaws, so I also paid for a CCS press.
Super-happy with the results.

awesome
i've seen a lot of elektra remarques of his on secondary markets, collection sites, social media etc..and i don't think i've ever seen him do it the same way twice.

my book was already a slabbed 9.8 when it went to miller first, and then was slabbed and sent to bill so i had no say in placement on any of it, my note for the sketch was just "elektra please (love this book!)" 
he's my favorite artist so he could have done a stick figure and i would have been happy. guy is the GOAT

39 minutes ago, Habby2324 said:

We typically do not hold any collectible for future signings but you could talk to our customer service team at service@cgccomics.com -- but my guess is they will tell you the same thing. : /

Worth a shot, it would be strange from a business point of view not to want to take more money from me so hopefully I can figure something out with the csr via email and participate in the new event!  

Weirdly enough I was going to see if miller was doing in-house this year! Awesome. 

Quick question, I have a book that claremont and miller worked on, already in a cgc slab and delivered this week for the claremont signing. Is it a pipedream to resubmit the book for the miller signing after it's complete in march (in theory depending on the actual signing date). I'd love to not have it shipped to me only to ship it right back to you for this second event if this possible!