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1 minute ago, Bird said:

I see tons of sold cards today, are they decent prices? Are those cards selling on ebay mostly $9 subs? I no nothing about them but if they are bulk subs they are getting good prices for what we comics call drek (common crapola)

Stuff like that is trash. Shouldn't even be worth the grading fees.

19 minutes ago, DonLaGreca said:

This is why I cant get my cards back in a reasonable time...... Cheers

There's an almost unlimited amount of base set commons like that as well. Not even the three starters that would actually sell. We're talking Pidgy, and other flat out nonsense cards in the thousands if not tens of thousands. Beyond stupid. Then they have a BIN of like $50. God help me, I want to rage every time I see one.

16 minutes ago, sellerservicescorp said:

Economy exists for people that want to grade lower valued cards but don't want to send in 50+ cards at a time to get graded. A collector just wanting to grade like 5 or 10 lower valued cards... something like that.

I get what you're saying but it's not very cost-effective if you have that few cards you could use standard because you really aren't saving much money. Otherwise you could grade twice as many for the same price and the same time frame.

7 hours ago, Mephisto said:

I think the best solution is CGC just stop grading Magic cards. This is clearly a Pokémon message board. At least 98% of the posts on the CGC boards are about Pokémon submissions so just suspend Or altogether stop Magic grading and the company can catch up on grading Pokémon. The demand on the CGC boards just isn’t there to justify the company waste it’s time grading Magic.

Not sure about others, but I would've been content with a credit for the Dec submission so I could get some of these other cards moving through and then they bill me once they're done.

Having finite resources tied up at three grading companies getting kind of rough. Stretched myself too thin, but also didn't expect it to get to the point it has. Now I have my own backlog of cards on my desk.

2 minutes ago, Sp33dy said:

Would be crazy if tons of economy ppl switched to standard and paid an extra 15 fee plus the extra fee per card to go up and then standards switched to 80 days tat. I could see that being a case

Most of the cards aren't worth it most likely.

19 hours ago, Ron Churches said:

The margins on bulk submissions would still be rather worth it on cards that are actually worth grading, should they double the price of bulk grading. CGC prices are rivaling PSA on most things and if you see slabs for 'value', now's the time to be scooping them up, as that gap is closing very fast. Gap aside, they should still raise the prices. Constrained supply with rampant demand puts inflationary pressures in order to squash down arbitrage. PSA raised prices, reduced the demand for their product, increased their brand's quality, and they seem to be accelerating through their backload a little faster (they haven't hit the wall of submissions sent right at their price increase, though, which will set them back in the near term). Card grading is too inexpensive for non-premium cards.

If it was incoming bulk orders that were the issue it wouldn't affect the previous orders. Pretty sure it's due to standard and above coming in matching or exceeding throughput so theyre making very little progress on the current backlog and adding to it with new orders. Almost at 70 business days and sent in early Dec. Would have rather paid $1 more per card at the time of grading than have almost $500 tied up for so long. I could have sent quite a few standards through with that money in the meantime. 

52 minutes ago, ShiningCollectibles said:

I am almost at the point to have them send back mine. I waited more than long enough for a 20-30 day estimate. I would of did a higher service level if I knew they were going to push us this far.

I've thought of bumping mine up just to get them out of there but Econ is almost the same TAT as bulk for twice the price 😂

3 hours ago, Nathan Robins said:

The difference between standard and express is the express order that arrived on wednesday was received on the system Thursday so the counter can begin, the standard order that I had delivered two and a half weeks ago still hasn’t been opened.

it’s not an 8 day gap as turnaround time suggest, more like 23 

Oh wow. I haven't sent any in since last month. Two and a half weeks and hasn't even been logged is brutal.

11 minutes ago, PokemanDude90 said:

Bingo.

This is basic economics guys, if your lowest grading tier that also yields you the lowest Topline Revenue on a per card basis (Bulk) is causing strain on your entire system, and is causing frustration amongst your biggest proponents (customers) and is also harming you PR-wise due to increased TAT, I can think of at least a few easy solutions to right the ship:

• Raise the price of Bulk with the goal of forcing your customers do at least some type of cost/benefit analysis before submitting, because at $9/card there is no need to think you just send in literally almost any card to make guaranteed profit 
• Remove Bulk/Economy to create some additional capacity to clear up the backlog (like PSA did w/ their economy tier) effectively making Standard your new lowest tier (for a temporary period)
• Make sub-grades mandatory, thus making Bulk $16/card which is still lower than PSA and it gives your brand consistency!!! <--- my vote

If sub-grades were to be mandatory, and assuming people have a fixed amount of $ to spend on grading, the amount of cards submitted at the Bulk tier would decrease 43% ($9/card vs $16/card on a fixed budget). No brainer in my opinion. 

 

The tiers are pretty up at the moment. 3 day gap between bulk and economy at double the price. Not much difference between standard and express other than price. 

3 hours ago, Captmorgan7288 said:

Looks like standard is the way to go. I just sent 20 more cards and did standard this time. Shoulda never cheated out on economy. 

At this point with only a 3 day difference with bulk I'm not sure why economy even exist.

Got a no grade on a 1960 Mantle. Been sitting at the USPS sorting facility for 4 days so I haven't been able to look at it but it's weird. Same set as the Mantle/Boyer. When I enquired they said it couldn't be safely encapsulated. Didn't specify if it was too large or small. Weird to me as my late father had all of them in a shoebox since his childhood, and I know they weren't trimmed. Otherwise grades seemed about right. Guess I'll send the Mantle in elsewhere and see what they say.

Came back in a deck box with an oversized label. Slightly too wide to fit in the holder 😒

3 hours ago, SilentMonkee said:

Thankfully it is real.  Here is my sub form, and register mail recipe with the sent date matching my post.

Picture of the 3 boxes I have minus the cards I sent, and the 20 1st ed  Abra I am sending in this weekend.

Good God, that's sweet.

16 minutes ago, Ron Churches said:

I'm not sure this qualifies as 'merchandise', but if you throw a big enough stink to them through proper channels I imagine they'd go find your parcel and mail it back to you. 

Not a route I'd go down. I'm just playing devils advocate here. Financially it probably wouldn't even make sense for someone to do it. 

Getting tired of seeing people blasted for feeling like they got shafted as much as reading about their shafting. Somehow every thread this week has turned into everyone ripping on each other for what they think. This particular line of thought came about because people kept telling him it's an estimate and he's wrong. He very well could be, but he may not be as well. Personally I don't have any skin in the game as it's not something I'm trying to do or interested in spending hours researching but if people want to mess on the guy for what he thinks doesn't necessarily mean they're right either.

3 hours ago, C2N0 said:

You’re sure there are laws about this, but haven’t actually done the research nor provided said laws in order to support your claim. 
 

But they’re there. For sure. 
 

Sir. LOL. 

https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/rules/rulemaking-regulatory-reform-proceedings/mail-internet-or-telephone-order

Like I said earlier I don't know about one as Im not a lawyer, nor do I know laws regarding business. There's an example of the one as it applies to goods. Once more, it's not unreasonable to assume there's one for services as well.

19 hours ago, Jeffro. said:

So you're saying that hand cutting cards is accepted and allowed within the hobby? Back when I was collecting sports cards it definitely wasn't kosher to do such things. Are you disclosing this to potential buyers? If it were a comic book that would be akin to trimming.

Even with baseball sheet cut cards has been questionable for a long time.

Just now, Angel of Death said:

I'm going to forgo the legal conversation. That'll get this thread shut down real quick. Maybe it should be shut down, though.

It should have been killed off as soon as it was posted. Every thread this week has been the same mess or the same questions multiple times.

6 minutes ago, C2N0 said:

Show us the receipts 😂 

Not sure where you're going with that.

2 minutes ago, Angel of Death said:

CGC has been around for 2 decades. They know what they're doing.

They probably do, but you'd be surprised some of the things that consumer laws have let people sue over.

19 minutes ago, Angel of Death said:

Incorrect.

I'm not sure about services, but there are laws in regards to goods and the amount of time you have to provide the customer with them from receipt of payment. Wouldn't be unreasonable to imagine there is something regarding services as well.

15 hours ago, CHASEnBLUE said:

Walkthroughs with subgrades and shipping roughly cost $100 each as a member. I've done 4 in the last two months with Charizards but that was worth the cost. You are saying that all these people are spending $10,000.00 on a walkthrough of 100 cards? 

Wouldn't surprise me.

1 minute ago, PaulS. said:

We changed that last month. You are no longer charged until your cards go to grading.

 

Paul

This was posted in the beginning of January.

3 minutes ago, Galen130 said:

Add this to your meme repertoire. 👍

Ah, one of these threads.

Still going hard this morning I see. What's the point of continuing this?

1 hour ago, Angel of Death said:

I like.

4 minutes ago, mattyzeepgam said:

The thing is we dont know the impact of added staff and expanded facilities will have. There is alot of info that is probably kept internal that they cant tell us. The days given out are probably conservative since in the past, they always have been conservative. Ive gotten standard orders back before 30 days before they switched it back down to 22. Before the huge wave of grading, everything came back way earlier than what was listed. And with current bulk and economy from early december, its been around 60 something days with turn around times. This means that January orders will be probably 70-80. If more staff comes along, it could start dropping.

I assume they are aware of the people they have backlogged before making these decisions. I guess we will just have to see how things play out. 

I'm sure it will help a lot I just feel like this is one of those situations where an ounce of prevention was worth a pound of cure

7 minutes ago, mattyzeepgam said:

I dont think the CEO sees it that way lol. At the end of the day, all the grading companies want as much business as possible. And with accounts, its very easy to open multiples and bypass loopholes. Do you realistically think if you were in charge of CGC that you would do something like your saying? I think what Ron says makes the most sense in that they have to just charge more money to cut out all the modern junk. Make it to where grading these Amazing Rares or $10 hyper rares isnt really profitable. There probably is way too many people who just want to flip newer cards that are submitting and this is probably one of the better solutions that doesnt limit business.

As it stands not charging until grading they aren't getting paid for work they aren't doing anyways. It's always worked fine for me now it may not scale exactly the same onto a business of this size without having to go far more in-depth obviously. But I could see them cutting out bulk and limiting submissions so that you're completing orders from 10 people at 20 cards instead of one guy at 200 and forcing everybody else to wait and having a bunch of livid customers who have outstanding orders for 8 months.

At least in my line of work very rarely does keeping one person with big jobs happy exceed the money that I make from smaller jobs with multiple people