Aman619

Yeah. I read and theorized on it years ago but forgot… thought I noticed something new. Oops i just went back and started reading the thread again … wow we discussed the heck out of it! So, now in 2022, 5 years later, can we determine with a level of confidence which !0c fonts are always UK editions with UK indicias? Or was it all over the map? there are also 9d versions (always in the bolder condensed font?). which are clearly UK copies.

speaking about the different 10c markings, I see THREE different fonts in this thread. Tall condensed font regular rounder font and an extra bold font where the c has the vertical lines on top and bottom. which is which? and is either of these the UK variant?

wow. Im sure there are apparatus that can scan pages while holding the rest in such a way so as not to damage the spine etc. but, with every page of every copy being identical, dot for dot, line for line. dont know why they needed slabbed high grade copies. But I suppose they'd hate to use cheaper books only to discover a loogie on an interior page and have to get a different copy later. Retouching is good for that. The purpose is to reproduce the comics art etc, and not be the perfect scans of a particular copy. Must be cool for your friend to have a few copies of the book though!

did they have to sacrifice his comics to scan them properly? or just crush the spine a bit? or did he not care because they bought his comics first? just curious about the process..

I didnt notice the brittle pages... : (

always a cool book. I wanted Tec 1-26 at one point long ago. Thats a feat very few have accomplished in any grade! But, they weren't that cheap, and usually in low grade, and so few people go after them, so as the Eightball sez: "the future is cloudy" But definitely a cool book to have and esoteric stuff like this has been doing well of late.

We will see if the new money can be attracted to a Marvel 1. I’m not a fan of it, so either it will herald a comeback for Marvel 1 in the market with a decent 1M plus sale, , or continue its slight ramp up of late, or fail to reach an impressive number. I know that’s not a prediction! Cause who can say with Marvel 1s tepid performance compared to the other 5 big mega keys? 2nd highest might do the trick! ANd —. It has a story!

Looks like the same 3d video Daves friends started 2 decades ago. I bailed trying to watch it, site incredibly slow…

pretty good write up they gave it!

wasn't it "Zeb's dead" from Pulp Fiction?

hey, found it!

haha Id love to see it!

definitely the 3.6M sale. With this new incredible benchmark, it was suddenly easy to extrapolate a higher price in ANY grade by its "PPP" against 3.6M versus say the 1M estimated value prior to the auction. Who bought it anyway?

Looking at a map of Ontario, Preney Print is only a 3 hour drive to Kitchener-Waterloo where Dave and Harry lived. Given the excitement of printing their first issue and having little cash for shipping, it’s conceivable Harry got in his car and drove to pick them up. I would have ! So damage from boxing makes sense. Even just lax handling at the printer would be enough They weren’t in the comics business, so there would be no hands on expertise, and prob gave two sheets for this one off low rent job. Didn’t the industry switch from Diamond to the new guys last summer by the new comics distributors also damage books?

so true. Astounding how so soon after a personal triumph one absorbs that level of achievement and is soon depressed, already hungering for more. Like the email/social media phenomenon we all know so well... gotta pick up the phone every few minutes for another hit! Enough is NEVER enough (someone always has more than you do) until life forces you to give up dreams of more.

yeah. thats how I felt too, 100 issues of trending sideways and downwards at the same time. But, I had hoped he'd do SOMETHING interesting at the end after envisioning it for 25 years! Ive always remembered Dave picking 300 issues. Both are crazy plans to make, and crazier to pull off. He was such a fanatic about certitude I think if he ever stated publicly it was 200 issues he would have been compelled to stop according to his tightly wound internal moral compass.

I Loved the series so much, and was never afraid to double up on a great comic. It’s quality was so obvious and it caught on for a while, getting very popular for a b/w rough around the edges indie. never found one without spine cracks, and kept trying, but they were in pretty nice shape. There weren’t many dealers hip to Cerebus right away, but those that were got some nice unread copies frequently through their sources.

Yes, that was what Dave intended for Form and Void. I didn’t mention it so as not to post sexual content…. If I remember though, Dave vehemently doubled down on the whole old world concept of the dangers of Womens rights and the feminist movements. He was born Jewish, but at this time in his life he was a celebrate studying Islam and religions in general. The Cirinists gained control and put everyone in Burkhas in the comics. And Maggie Thatcher was a constant target too. But most people hated her at the time!

Yes. Very surprised. I figured it was cold and would stay that way..but it has a high place in comics history, creatively and as one of the first, or THE first big success on the b/w and indie comics movement. Dave was a thought leader in the industry… the champion of creator owned comics. which he also fumbled away.

thanx. the graphics are much better on the Kirby version, so I used them. It also solved the other coloring problem with Ditkos drawing... the right side just becomes a really wide street! He only drew a few people standing around and a few lines in places the blurbs werent going... it looked weak when you coklor it as extended pavement color... or any color as in the Marvel versions. I also added a ledge to the building to eliminate that oversized guy in the window Spidey was about to crash into.

haha. this was 2 years later and Stan probably didnt want another yet battle with Steve!

haha. I worked this up for exactly that reason. I have thought the Ditko covers that Marvel colored all lacked the gravitas of the darker color of the actual cover. Enjoy.

theres a lot of good write-ups on this. It was for me in two phases. Basically Dave broke up his 300 book story into 25 issue blocks each with its own name. He used this mechanism to republish the series every 2 years into the "phonebooks: 500 page B/W reprints of each Story section. The first 25 issues or so it's just a funny story about an aardvark warrior encountering the cities, dealing with people, Lord Julius (Grouch Marx) and various sorcerers (Like Conan). Then he settles in a big city and gets involved with politics (High Society), running for Prime Minister. After that ends badly, of course, he somehow becomes pope. Sprinkled throughout he meets up with Sims caricatures of Marvel characters: Moon Roach, Wolveroach, Claremont, as well as Mick Jagger and others. After issue 100, the story widens into religious wars and we meet other fantasy characters who have long theosophical word battles and we find out Cerebus is a lot more than a bumbling, cynical selfish wandering swordsman, rather a key player in the grand scheme of the universe. That was all good rollicking dense storytelling! And the artwork took a big boost after issue 60 or so when Gerhard arrived to add incredibly detailed crosshatched backgrounds, just as Dave was tiring of filling every panel with lifework 100% himself. Where it started to wobble for me was Jakas Story in which he goes back and fleshes out his erstwhile girlfriend Jaka, who was just a barroom dancer then his love interest. Here every other page of the comic was a page of text only written as an historical novel. Jarring-- if i wanted to read a prose book I wouldn't buy comics! But whatever Dave wants! Im sure its brilliant and I promise to go back and read it someday... The BIG BLOW came in issue 186 (?) spoiler alert: Here Dave jumps the shark and appears as a character that is actually writing Cerebus. And soon after we are treated to what he refers to as 'Form and Void'. Basically a misogynist rant that cost him personal and professional friendships (Female AND Male) and half his loyal readership. "Form" being the male; and the "Void" being female. Get it? Male = Important, vital. Female being empty, useless and valueless. oops. 20 years before MeToo, Dave put his foot in his mouth big time and has steadfastly refused to remove it. But the story continued on through his long planned issue 300, with just a (relatively) few of us still waiting in stores every 30 days for the next installment. We travel with Hemingway, F Scott Fitzgerald, Oscar Wilde, Cerebus sits outside a cafe for 10 issues straight. Learns a street game... its all feels very self indulgent! AND as hinted at repeatedly over the course of the comics, and planned for 25 years, Cerebus finally dies alone, and unloved. The End. Oh and the Three Stooges are there at some point at the end too! woohoo.. I was loving it and I guess my sour retelling betrays my feelings of disappointment overall. But taken on its own, still a brilliant effort. I mean, movies can cost 100s of millions hiring the top talent in all facets of film production -- and most are just not great, right? This is like one that starts out amazing, eclectic, funny, smart, insightful etc but ends as a letdown. And turns out the creator is a jerk too.

haha I have multiple copies of all the early issues. I bought as many copies as I could find. It was that good and had all the earmarks of a rising star that would "go up"! and it DID. Then years later Dave revealed himself as pretty weird, he lost readers and Cerebus became an afterthought. Every now and then I watch his little weekly videos online to check in, and he still is clueless how to be normal. I saw him at a show and he was doing sketches. I asked for one for my baby daughter. The caption he added was "Cerebus hates two year olds!" nice. He was brilliant, and created something few others will ever match or come close. but... life turns out funny sometimes.

I got into Cerebus at around issue 36 and was hooked. I used to call and order from Harry Kremer and ordered a LOT of copies until he ran out. He would tell me the stories of the early days including the Cerebus 1 tale of how bad the printing was. He didnt mention that Dave had put aside 10 copies though, just that they went through them all and counted the really poor copies for a refund from the printer. They received 400 extra copes of #2 as a make good. (at that point in time who cared about an unknown badly drawn b/w comic about an aardvark who could talk and thought he was Conan? . As for CGCs grading of known production issues like Cerebus 1, you'd have to ask them. But I kinda think you would rather just assume they have a larger agenda at work!! : ) As for an additional 9.6 copy NOT in Daves 10 copies, its possible that Dave only pulled an even number and not EVERY single copy that didnt have spine cracks, and that some survived the journey into a mylar in High Grade like salmon babies swimming upstream somehow!