Aman619

That’s a great point. If CC doesn’t bother to change their site to automatically display what you are actually bidding with the BP, it’s close to bait and switch. At least going to lead to many unhappy customers when told you should have read the fine print. Or large bold print.. either way, the amount must be shown when bidding.

But is graphing Google searches really the correct metric to answer which of these if the most well known? How about their Q scores? Or whatever is out there that measures familiarity?

yeah. It reads like the seller will be receive 90% of the final bid price --- plus the 15%. So if final bid is 1000, instead of getting 900, they will get 1035 (90% of 1150). But of course, bidders will treat these lots same as they do on HA, by doing the math to make sure what their final bid will actually cost them with the BP. Basically then, except for the unwary, or the over excited, the final bids will be about 15% less that they usually were. Frankly it seems that CC is willing to kill their sole selling advantage of no BP to please certain consignors (and hopefully goose a few higher sales too) Giving up a so much to gain so little.

The jumbo Wagner was described in one of the links I posted about the Gretzky T206 being trimmed, or cut from a sheet. It was BOTH! man I love that hobby! it called the Jumbo because it has extra white below the graphics that the Gretzky doesn’t.

And Pedigree too... any connection?

I just updated again... it was cut out from the sheet, sold for 25K to Mastro who trimmed it better and resold it (he was jailed for fraud and shill bidding in his own company auctions)..

sounds like LESS Fun Comics!

EDIT#1 --- hang on. Im checking what I posted, and reading an article where Mastro admitted in court to having bought the card for 25K and trimmed all sides. Id like to stick to my story below having heard it firsthand by a knowledgable source a long time ago, but, may just be a run of the milll dealer-trimmed card after all. https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/mastro-admits-cutting-honus-card-article-1.1482098 EDIT#2 --- and further clarification from 3 years later when a pretty nice unaltered T206 went to auction, combines both stories of the card. It was trimmed from an uncut sheet by the guy that Mastro bought it from. Mastro further refined the edges... For years, the allegation of trimming had clung to Mastro like bubblegum to pasteboard. In their lively 2007 book, The Card, the New York Daily News’ Teri Thompson and Michael O’Keeffe alleged that the Wagner had been sloppily cut from an in-tact T206 sheet at a card shop in Long Island. “Either [the perpetrators] committed the most heinous crime in card-doctoring history or a stunt worthy of the Keystone Cops,” they wrote. In 1985 Mastro bought it for $25,000 and flipped it for $110,000 two years later. “Mastro always swatted away rumors that the ‘The Card’ had been altered, flying into a rage at the slightest suggestion that its bright colors, clean edges, and sharp corners are the result of skillful surgery,” the authors wrote. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidseideman/2016/09/22/a-heinous-crime-may-be-lifting-a-1-8-million-honus-wagner-card-now-up-for-auction/?sh=2e72b5487854 - - - - - - - - - - the Gretzky T206 isn't "trimmed"! Well, not as we usually use the term. It was never released as a card... it was CUT OUT of an uncut sheet. This was confirmed to me by the head of Fleer in the 90s. (and books and articles have reported the same. Its been a "not so secret" secret that hasn't affected its value or demand when sold up til now. Probably because its so scarce (due to being recalled) that there isn't a close HG alternative. If there was an UNRESTORED card the Gretzky might lose much of its allure as the key collectible baseball card.

where is the JUMP TO function? if its gone, whats the best way to navigate between threads?

Heritages sports card auction this week had some eye popping sales. Gretzky hockey card 1.5M ! and a bunch of others. But, the huge numbers were cards graded as 10.0s , so that probably had a lot to do with it. Unlike in comics, cards seems to have a supply of quite a few big key cards in 10.0 grade. Imagine SA or GA keys in 10.0! With all the pressing etc, this is just not happening, or doable. yet?

And where did the JUMP TO feature go? Can’t find it

that would take editing... easier to prop up your phone and talk away. which is fine, just not as polished.

hurry up and decide the other three! Construction has begun! fe=rustrating cause I couldn't find one picture of Stan at the same angle as George !. He always seemed to pose looking down a bit.

yes that very public admission, plus discussions with collectors. He flat out admitted to never letting a piece sell for the highest bid absent support. However, Ive always felt that the idea that you can and SHOULD BE ABLE to win an auction for a ridiculously low price for whatever reason (and Im talking about a 10K piece for $250 or even 5K) is ridiculous. Theres a buyer and a seller, and nobody wants to see an act of god or whatever (an outage prevented someone from bidding etc) where something goes for pennies of its retail value. But whats going on is that these sellers support the price to its "value" ABOVE retail and pay fees etc so that it CANT sell for a lower value... and to write a high sale price into the record.

I forget, is that the real book, or the CGC marketing poster recreaction? Looks a bit squeezed... iirc the actual 9.2 on the census is not an upgrade. At least not a cracked lower grade upgrade. One should assume that it was evaluated and primped for its debut in a slab...

While there is undisclosed work done to OA, the larger issue over there is that the market is closely controlled by a small group, and they protect the market thru price protection. Generally speaking, that’s the issue. Other will chime in with more details if they wish.

Out of the fat, into the fire?

Gee. Sounds like someone’s moral compass is wound too tight. man I love this hobby! the wheels are in motion. pick your poison!

I prefer the first, all Jusko set myself. that was a real, um, masterpiece.

heres the whole cover

thats right, scans are all affected by the setting at the time they are made, and if corrected, by the settings on the monitors used when correcting them. These scans are an accurate representation of the colors on a Batman 1 scanned from the comics and not through the CGC case. The Heritage reds are too dark, they are actuallymore reddish orange, but the other colors are pretty accurate. Batman's cape is not as black as you ended up in your fixed scans. heres some images:

Just a thought but, as disappointing as the reaction feels to this 9.4 being an upgrade (double upgrade?) and not a new book to the census... in reality, the only ones affected by this are the owners of the other 9.0s. It’s just a jockeying for position at the top. (while waiting for the DA copy to join the census) .. whoever owned the 9.2, the previous top copy by pressing his 9.0 to the top merely got shoved back to 2nd best. Everyone with an 8.5 or lower has the same ranking as before. Only the number on the label of the top copy has changed. And the perceived scarcity of HG copies is the same now for Batman 1 as it was, unlike many books with dozens of HG copies surfacing after 2 decades of slabbing proving that few comics are really scarce at all. ‘in this comics world we live in, where most play the game, seems fair that each copy be allowed to compete at its highest level. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Only they get to die all the way to the bank. Ka Ching. I’m just saying.

those tights! oooh

yikes. it would be nice if this kind of thing could be covered, even though they they wrote their rules in such a way as to exclude what happened to you (and plausible grey areas.. Should be that you paid for insurance, got scrued, and should be able to collect. And if they then want to refuse coverage fine. However, just think about all the real crooks and schemes they've dealt with in the past and you get an idea why they are (have to be?) so wary ... and stingy. Im curious what kind of settlement Randy Lawrence who lost a few million in Bat books was slated to receive before he took matters into his own hands and got his books back? Would they have thrown him 100K? less?

Scary true life takes. It pays to learn exactly what they do in each instance, or possible scenario. Make a long list. They will answer each question. I’m not surprised they stuck by the letter of the contract. They have learned long ago that’s their best defense, and I’m sure the bean counters who calculate the rates insist that their numbers only work when strictly adhered to. as for them “firing you” after a successful claim? I’ve spoken with dealers who this has happened to. So another insurance thing is take your best shot... once... cause you probably don’t get a second try/claim. Don’t sweat the small losses. And if it’s a big claim? Don’t be surprised that they’d rather say goodbye. Well, I suppose since they are in business for the long haul, if you’ve been paying premiums for 10 years theyve banked enough to pay you off, they would see where they stand against the payout. The dealers I spoke to had losses in the first year or two, so it’s likely CIS pulled the plug fearing a pattern given the high values of their collectibles inventories.