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I am unclear why the buyer has opened a case on Paypal. The seller has offered a refund. Is the buyer hoping to get his money back by opening the case and keep the book?

 

I've thought about this, that's why I told him to ship the book and once received, I would give him the refund.

 

He's read my last two PMs with no response.

 

Assuming the buyer has actually shipped the book back to you, this is a way for the buyer to hedge risk. One way or another, he is going to get his money back. I'm assuming that if you send the refund via the reversal of the original transaction, it will negate the Paypal claim by definition. The buyer may have done this to present you with a ticking clock.

Which I completely understand. But we had agreed to a refund before his escalation, which no explanation was given as to why it was done.

If its a trust issue how about the seller refund the payment first before the buyer returns the book.

That sounds like a great idea.

I can't send him the refund because HE escalated the dispute to a claim, which is now in review of paypal.

He probably doesn't trust the seller. Can you blame him?

Okay I get it, but if there was a trust issue, why take a chance?

And I'm going to bed - Long day tomorrow

I'm going to make it clear, no promise in grade was given on my part, other than best copies available. I would NEVER sell a 7.5 8.5 and consider that a best copy.

A refund was already granted, prior to the buyer escalating the dispute on paypal to a claim, which completely froze the refund process. He had agreed to ship the book, and once received, he would be refunded. But again, that process was halted by him via the paypal Claim.

and I edited this because now I'm exhausted...

I am unclear why the buyer has opened a case on Paypal. The seller has offered a refund. Is the buyer hoping to get his money back by opening the case and keep the book?

I've thought about this, that's why I told him to ship the book and once received, I would give him the refund.

He's read my last two PMs with no response.

So I'm confused. The invoice is for a 9.8.

When he sent the payment, he made a notation for a CGC SS 9.8 - Which was pointed out after the books were subbed to CGC from NYCC

CGC grades the books, the copy comes back a 9.6, which seller provides via invoice number. Buyer wants refund, seller will honor refund at a 100% of bought price.

Buyer the escalates paypal dispute to a claim, where paypal is currently reviewing, not allowing me to continue with the refund portion.

putting the guys address out there?

AH I need to edit that!

My screen message before I learned that he escalated the dispute to a paypal claim, where it's sitting now for review.

This was his PM when he got his book/grade via CGC

I am not trying to pile on, but am genuinely interested in the topic because it could become a board issue with other sellers who have similar practices. Was the sales thread something like, $100 for CGC SS Comic signed by so and so? If so, that is not a good practice for sellers to do. That means the buyer could receive anything from a 1.0 to a 10.0 and that would be acceptable. For a pre-sale like that, I truly believe people would be expecting to buy a 9.8, not whatever arrives in the mail.

And I stayed on top of it via PMs advising buyers that grades shipped were raging between 9.6 and 9.8

Did anyone get a 9.8?

Yes

This was my PM response after he sent the payment:

I'm sorry, but I am NOT going to pay for the difference in value of a book that should of been, could of been a 9.8, but was a 9.6 in the end.

 

 

If the person were entitled to a 9.8, that is what they should get. I'm not saying that they are, I have no idea what the actual transaction was for. If you sold them a 9.8 and they got a 9.6, that is the measure of damages. It doesn't matter what you think is appropriate.

 

The person is entitled to a refund, which is what he requested after not receiving an assumed 9.8 grade (Which no grade was promised).

 

 

 

 

 

 

If no grade was guarantee or implied, would it have been okay to send him a 7.5?

First off, no if he were to receive a 7.5 or 8.5 he would of been given the refund just like this is going to happen.

I didn't send the books, and I didn't grade the books at CGC. Every Wytches book bought was thought to be a least a 9.6/9.8

I told him I'll gladly refund him for the money that HE paid, not what it should be valued at.

 

If your way was the norm, then every person who bought a raw modern that was sold as a 9.8, but got a 9.6 when graded, should be paid the difference in value.

 

The only problem with this analogy is that people pay more money for a guaranteed 9.8 then they do for a raw described as a 9.8. Everyone knows it is a shoot with a raw purchase.

I understand, but there was never a guarantee for a 9.8.

I'm sorry, but I am NOT going to pay for the difference in value of a book that should of been, could of been a 9.8, but was a 9.6 in the end.

 

 

If the person were entitled to a 9.8, that is what they should get. I'm not saying that they are, I have no idea what the actual transaction was for. If you sold them a 9.8 and they got a 9.6, that is the measure of damages. It doesn't matter what you think is appropriate.

The person is entitled to a refund, which is what he requested after not receiving an assumed 9.8 grade (Which no grade was promised).

I would NEVER expect a seller to pay the difference.

 

That there is you being you.

 

Because I have had many, multiple even, uncountable times where I have been brought up in this thread based on my questionable selling and buying practices.

 

 

no you're being you with absurd solutions

 

I'm assuming based on the buyer asking for opinions and you jumping in outing yourself as the seller means you don't plan on working with the seller for an amicable solution?

Do me a favor, quit twisting this any further than you already have.

I told him I'll gladly refund him for the money that HE paid, not what it should be valued at.

If your way was the norm, then every person who bought a raw modern that was sold as a 9.8, but got a 9.6 when graded, should be paid the difference in value.

I would NEVER expect a seller to pay the difference.

 

That there is you being you.

 

Because I have had many, multiple even, uncountable times where I have been brought up in this thread based on my questionable selling and buying practices.

 

no you're being you with absurd solutions

I'm sorry, but I am NOT going to pay for the difference in value of a book that should of been, could of been a 9.8, but was a 9.6 in the end.

I would NEVER expect a seller to pay the difference.

That there is you being you.

Want proof?

My problem is how much money you're going to be making off of this mistake.

 

You're right though, I just made that up about presales, so anyone reading this expecting your books ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

 

He can turn around and sell the book and make just as much.

 

 

But think about how much he would have made if he was getting a 9.8.

 

The difference in price is what you should be paying him.

 

You're OUT OF YOUR MIND!

Get off the bowl.

My problem is how much money you're going to be making off of this mistake.

 

You're right though, I just made that up about presales, so anyone reading this expecting your books ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

He can turn around and sell the book and make just as much.

What I don't understand is this:

1. I already told Justin Tnic that I would give him a full refund because he wasn't happy, once the book was returned

2. He, without communicating why, escalated the Paypal dispute to a claim, which is being reviewed.

3. Even after the escalation, I am still willing to take the book back.

4. The sales NEVER promised a 9.8 to anyone, simply that this was a show variant, and that every attempt was going to be made to secure that copies were going to be made available.

Why is Jimmy mad?

The buyer escalated the dispute to a PayPal claim which is now being reviewed by PayPal.

 

Like I told the buyer before he posted here, I am more than happy to take the book back and issue a refund , as long as it is shipped and received in safe manner.

 

BUT he chose the claim portion without explanation , which again, is now being reviewed by the PayPal staff.

 

 

When a buyer is upset about an item you shouldn't force the sale.

 

The buyer shouldn't have been sent the 9.6 in the first place.

 

Jimmy, please read everything back.

 

I didn't send him a CGC 9.6 The book was shipped directly to him from CGC. Once I learned the grade (Once they're shipped) I sent him a PM.

 

He then requested a refund, which I told him I would be MORE than glad to do once the book was returned in the order it was received.

 

Not even ten minutes, he files a paypal claim, which I was then unable to respond to because of the escalated dispute.

 

Don't sell what you don't have. It's as simple as that.

 

In that case, then every pre-sale from shows should be banned?

 

And he wasn't promised a 9.8 copy. No one was.

 

i think I sold 10 nycc wytches 9.8 on presale, and you know what? They all came back 9.8

 

Maybe the problem isn't presales. Maybe the problem is you.

 

I'm glad you were able to pre-sell all of yours, which means you have better eyes than me. I'll point out anyone that wants a prescreen service towards you.

 

 

Here is my problem with the scenario in front of us and why this should become a pile on before you just start posting about why I'm wrong.

 

Justin Tnic Otyme (the buyer) sends you the book back.

 

You refund Justin Tnic Otyme the $150 he paid for the Wytches #1 NYCC SS x2 CGC 9.8

 

 

You than resell the 9.6 SS for $400 or $500 - whatever the going rate is - You double your money, AND Justin Tnic Otyme (the buyer) still doesn't get what he expected to be buying.

 

So if he sends you the book back you should be on the HOS.

 

Hell, you should be on the HOS anyways - but right now you should be working you off trying to find a 9.8 SS so people know you're not just a money hungry comic seller who can't go through with what he promises.

This is where you're wrong and your assumptions are again, assumptions.

Justin Tnic Otyme WILL get his refund once Paypal finishes the claim which HE escalated. Once you escalate a paypal dispute to a claim the fund are automatically deducted from the account. After the review, he'll get the refund owed.

By the way, calling BS on your pre-sales of 10 CGC 9.8s

The buyer escalated the dispute to a PayPal claim which is now being reviewed by PayPal.

 

Like I told the buyer before he posted here, I am more than happy to take the book back and issue a refund , as long as it is shipped and received in safe manner.

 

BUT he chose the claim portion without explanation , which again, is now being reviewed by the PayPal staff.

 

 

When a buyer is upset about an item you shouldn't force the sale.

 

The buyer shouldn't have been sent the 9.6 in the first place.

 

Jimmy, please read everything back.

 

I didn't send him a CGC 9.6 The book was shipped directly to him from CGC. Once I learned the grade (Once they're shipped) I sent him a PM.

 

He then requested a refund, which I told him I would be MORE than glad to do once the book was returned in the order it was received.

 

Not even ten minutes, he files a paypal claim, which I was then unable to respond to because of the escalated dispute.

 

Don't sell what you don't have. It's as simple as that.

 

In that case, then every pre-sale from shows should be banned?

 

And he wasn't promised a 9.8 copy. No one was.

 

i think I sold 10 nycc wytches 9.8 on presale, and you know what? They all came back 9.8

 

Maybe the problem isn't presales. Maybe the problem is you.

Really?? Ten? You were there?