who sells an Action #1 on ebay without getting it slabbed ?

[dekeuk]

 

you would think a dealer offering so many rare comics would get this slabbed before selling it. With their feedback rating it seems like they are one ones to avoiding the slab in order to hide something.

 

 

 

 

[DocGo]

Go here and ask.

[BlowUpTheMoon]

Go here and ask.

 

Or try here.

[MutantKeys]

Go here and ask.

 

Or try here.

or pm him

[bluechip]

Why not slab an Action 1 ?

 

Here's a few scans that suggest why someone may not get an action 1 slabbed.

 

Examples like these can understandably make a person feel, quite honestly, that the numbers and labels on the slabs can't always be counted on to give a complete or consistent assessment of how the book compares to other copies.

 

This copy was graded 2.0 -- sold for 82K last year (more than double overstreet guide; but overstreet raised the good price this year five percent)

 

This was graded 2.5 -- though it looks far worse than the 2.0

 

 

This was graded 3.0 (and got a blue label despite the repairs made with tape that not only sealed the spine but is also corrosive to the paper)

 

 

This was graded VG

(it sold two years ago for 195K, then about 2.3X guide over the guide price. Yet the guide increased the value in the next edition by a little more than two percent. Which means the markup over guide on the sale was about a hundred times the markup reported by the guide the next year).

 

 

 

As for books that don't get the blue label, this (which is undeniably more appealing to the eye than the above-rated 2.5) got a grade 0.5 restored -- an "apparent poor" -- pen markings triggered a purple label despite doing nothing to improve its grade or appearance. And the words you see stamped on it most likely did not affect the grade because other examples of high grade unrestored books have similar stamps yet the grade was not affected)

 

 

 

As for book restored to high grades with "extensive" work, the policies are such that two books which started out in vastly different condition can both end up looking like this and getting virtually identical labels.

 

 

 

Because the labels don't give a great deal of information, there is virtually no way to know whether a book with a label and appearance like that started out as --

 

 

1) a good or a gvg (which needed cleaning to cover and interior, some color touch and a number of tears sealed.

 

OR

 

2) a very poor with massive staining and sizable pieces of the cover art and interior missing. (which needed massive cleaning and color touch and sizeable pieces of the art -- and the book itself -- literally recreated)

 

Given all the above, it should be quite easy to understand why some people would want to slab a book, especially if it was poor and ugly to start with and they knew it would get the same label as a book which started out looking like a vg. But it should also be easy to understand why not everyone would want to sell -- or buy -- an action 1 based purely on its label in a slab.

 

 

 

 

[SolitaireOne]

Wow, now that was an outstanding response! Well said, BlueChip!

[gilbertotorres]

good response and i kinda agree with you. i wouldnt send it unless i was 100 percent sure of the grade i wanted. after all its an action 1, even .5 could make a big difference in the value.

[bluechip]

Wow, now that was an outstanding response! Well said, BlueChip!

 

Thanks, guys

 

I have nothing against slabbing, per se. I think it's great for many things. But when you see how precise they try to be about the difference between two brand new copies of a book, you can't help but wish they'd be as precise about the difference between two copies of the most important comic of all.

[CAP Freak]

Why not slab an Action 1 ?

 

Here's a few scans that suggest why someone may not get an action 1 slabbed.

 

Examples like these can understandably make a person feel, quite honestly, that the numbers and labels on the slabs can't always be counted on to give a complete or consistent assessment of how the book compares to other copies.

 

This copy was graded 2.0 -- sold for 82K last year (more than double overstreet guide; but overstreet raised the good price this year five percent)

 

This was graded 2.5 -- though it looks far worse than the 2.0

 

 

This was graded 3.0 (and got a blue label despite the repairs made with tape that not only sealed the spine but is also corrosive to the paper)

 

 

This was graded VG

(it sold two years ago for 195K, then about 2.3X guide over the guide price. Yet the guide increased the value in the next edition by a little more than two percent. Which means the markup over guide on the sale was about a hundred times the markup reported by the guide the next year).

 

 

 

As for books that don't get the blue label, this (which is undeniably more appealing to the eye than the above-rated 2.5) got a grade 0.5 restored -- an "apparent poor" -- pen markings triggered a purple label despite doing nothing to improve its grade or appearance. And the words you see stamped on it most likely did not affect the grade because other examples of high grade unrestored books have similar stamps yet the grade was not affected)

 

 

 

As for book restored to high grades with "extensive" work, the policies are such that two books which started out in vastly different condition can both end up looking like this and getting virtually identical labels.

 

 

 

Because the labels don't give a great deal of information, there is virtually no way to know whether a book with a label and appearance like that started out as --

 

 

1) a good or a gvg (which needed cleaning to cover and interior, some color touch and a number of tears sealed.

 

OR

 

2) a very poor with massive staining and sizable pieces of the cover art and interior missing. (which needed massive cleaning and color touch and sizeable pieces of the art -- and the book itself -- literally recreated)

 

Given all the above, it should be quite easy to understand why some people would want to slab a book, especially if it was poor and ugly to start with and they knew it would get the same label as a book which started out looking like a vg. But it should also be easy to understand why not everyone would want to sell -- or buy -- an action 1 based purely on its label in a slab.

 

 

 

post of the year material.

 

[binarysunrise]

Why not slab an Action 1 ?

 

Here's a few scans that suggest why someone may not get an action 1 slabbed.

 

Examples like these can understandably make a person feel, quite honestly, that the numbers and labels on the slabs can't always be counted on to give a complete or consistent assessment of how the book compares to other copies.

 

This copy was graded 2.0 -- sold for 82K last year (more than double overstreet guide; but overstreet raised the good price this year five percent)

 

This was graded 2.5 -- though it looks far worse than the 2.0

 

 

This was graded 3.0 (and got a blue label despite the repairs made with tape that not only sealed the spine but is also corrosive to the paper)

 

 

This was graded VG

(it sold two years ago for 195K, then about 2.3X guide over the guide price. Yet the guide increased the value in the next edition by a little more than two percent. Which means the markup over guide on the sale was about a hundred times the markup reported by the guide the next year).

 

 

 

As for books that don't get the blue label, this (which is undeniably more appealing to the eye than the above-rated 2.5) got a grade 0.5 restored -- an "apparent poor" -- pen markings triggered a purple label despite doing nothing to improve its grade or appearance. And the words you see stamped on it most likely did not affect the grade because other examples of high grade unrestored books have similar stamps yet the grade was not affected)

 

 

 

As for book restored to high grades with "extensive" work, the policies are such that two books which started out in vastly different condition can both end up looking like this and getting virtually identical labels.

 

 

 

Because the labels don't give a great deal of information, there is virtually no way to know whether a book with a label and appearance like that started out as --

 

 

1) a good or a gvg (which needed cleaning to cover and interior, some color touch and a number of tears sealed.

 

OR

 

2) a very poor with massive staining and sizable pieces of the cover art and interior missing. (which needed massive cleaning and color touch and sizeable pieces of the art -- and the book itself -- literally recreated)

 

Given all the above, it should be quite easy to understand why some people would want to slab a book, especially if it was poor and ugly to start with and they knew it would get the same label as a book which started out looking like a vg. But it should also be easy to understand why not everyone would want to sell -- or buy -- an action 1 based purely on its label in a slab.

 

 

 

 

You could have just said that perhaps the guy didn't want to pay the slabbing fees

[samurai007]

A picture from the guy's auction:

 

 

 

Look at how clean, white, and undamaged the cover is, and how mangled and tan the upper left of the interior pages (near the spine of the book) are.

 

How could that much damage occur to the interior of the book, yet leave the cover relatively untouched?

 

I smell resto here...

[Thegoldenage]

you would think a dealer offering so many rare comics would get this slabbed before selling it. With their feedback rating it seems like they are one ones to avoiding the slab in order to hide something.

 

Could be the very brittle pages, or possibly restoration, but in either event, not being slabbed will mean a lower final bid.

[dekeuk]

Could be the very brittle pages, or possibly restoration, but in either event, not being slabbed will mean a lower final bid.

 

There was a great explanation of why a person might not slab. But I would think that people will just assume the worst about any unslabbed high value comic and bid accordingly. Therefore the seller makes no financial gain by not slabbing (other than saving the slabbing fee).

 

 

[bluechip]

A picture from the guy's auction:

 

 

 

Look at how clean, white, and undamaged the cover is, and how mangled and tan the upper left of the interior pages (near the spine of the book) are.

 

How could that much damage occur to the interior of the book, yet leave the cover relatively untouched?

 

I smell resto here...

 

There was water damage which caused splitting of the pages at the top, which is why it has archive paper, which has been fully described.

 

If you want to make a concerted effort to drive down the price of somebody's property, please check first via a PM. I will be happy to do the same to you and not to make efforts to cause you to lose money out of... well, I'm not sure what it's out of.

[bluechip]

you would think a dealer offering so many rare comics would get this slabbed before selling it. With their feedback rating it seems like they are one ones to avoiding the slab in order to hide something.

 

Could be the very brittle pages, or possibly restoration, but in either event, not being slabbed will mean a lower final bid.

 

What is "the very brittle pages"? Have you seen the book. Please do not make spurious comments with an obvious design to slam my property without facts to support them. As you can see the pages are readable. Where did you get information the pages were "very brittle"? Shall I look to any auctions or sales you have ongoing and lob negative comments about them.

 

This book would have been slabbed had it not been for the very wide variation I have seen and documented in the treatment of copies of this book (and others) when they are slabbed.

 

If you want to say slabbing would increase the bid price, that is fine, because it's your opinion. But I had planned to slab many more books before I saw a pattern that made me feel it was not consistent for high end books like this.

 

If it were reliably consistent, this and most of my other books would already be slabbed.

 

I would LOVE to see policies shift (with more detailed and sensible info re archive paper, etc.) to better reflect what really makes a book compare favorably or unfavorably to another copy and not to have it swing as wildly as it does, as shown in my earlier post of slabbed action 1s.

 

I refer you -- and the readers checking in to see the latest post, back to that.

[bluechip]

Why not slab an Action 1 ?

 

Here's a few scans that suggest why someone may not get an action 1 slabbed.

 

Examples like these can understandably make a person feel, quite honestly, that the numbers and labels on the slabs can't always be counted on to give a complete or consistent assessment of how the book compares to other copies.

 

This copy was graded 2.0 -- sold for 82K last year (more than double overstreet guide; but overstreet raised the good price this year five percent)

 

This was graded 2.5 -- though it looks far worse than the 2.0

 

 

This was graded 3.0 (and got a blue label despite the repairs made with tape that not only sealed the spine but is also corrosive to the paper)

 

 

This was graded VG

(it sold two years ago for 195K, then about 2.3X guide over the guide price. Yet the guide increased the value in the next edition by a little more than two percent. Which means the markup over guide on the sale was about a hundred times the markup reported by the guide the next year).

 

 

 

As for books that don't get the blue label, this (which is undeniably more appealing to the eye than the above-rated 2.5) got a grade 0.5 restored -- an "apparent poor" -- pen markings triggered a purple label despite doing nothing to improve its grade or appearance. And the words you see stamped on it most likely did not affect the grade because other examples of high grade unrestored books have similar stamps yet the grade was not affected)

 

 

 

As for book restored to high grades with "extensive" work, the policies are such that two books which started out in vastly different condition can both end up looking like this and getting virtually identical labels.

 

 

 

Because the labels don't give a great deal of information, there is virtually no way to know whether a book with a label and appearance like that started out as --

 

 

1) a good or a gvg (which needed cleaning to cover and interior, some color touch and a number of tears sealed.

 

OR

 

2) a very poor with massive staining and sizable pieces of the cover art and interior missing. (which needed massive cleaning and color touch and sizeable pieces of the art -- and the book itself -- literally recreated)

 

Given all the above, it should be quite easy to understand why some people would want to slab a book, especially if it was poor and ugly to start with and they knew it would get the same label as a book which started out looking like a vg. But it should also be easy to understand why not everyone would want to sell -- or buy -- an action 1 based purely on its label in a slab.

 

 

 

post of the year material.

 

Thanks. And to the thread originator... this is why.

 

 

[silverseeker]

Why not slab an Action 1 ?

 

Here's a few scans that suggest why someone may not get an action 1 slabbed.

 

Examples like these can understandably make a person feel, quite honestly, that the numbers and labels on the slabs can't always be counted on to give a complete or consistent assessment of how the book compares to other copies.

 

This copy was graded 2.0 -- sold for 82K last year (more than double overstreet guide; but overstreet raised the good price this year five percent)

 

This was graded 2.5 -- though it looks far worse than the 2.0

 

 

This was graded 3.0 (and got a blue label despite the repairs made with tape that not only sealed the spine but is also corrosive to the paper)

 

 

This was graded VG

(it sold two years ago for 195K, then about 2.3X guide over the guide price. Yet the guide increased the value in the next edition by a little more than two percent. Which means the markup over guide on the sale was about a hundred times the markup reported by the guide the next year).

 

 

 

As for books that don't get the blue label, this (which is undeniably more appealing to the eye than the above-rated 2.5) got a grade 0.5 restored -- an "apparent poor" -- pen markings triggered a purple label despite doing nothing to improve its grade or appearance. And the words you see stamped on it most likely did not affect the grade because other examples of high grade unrestored books have similar stamps yet the grade was not affected)

 

 

 

As for book restored to high grades with "extensive" work, the policies are such that two books which started out in vastly different condition can both end up looking like this and getting virtually identical labels.

 

 

 

Because the labels don't give a great deal of information, there is virtually no way to know whether a book with a label and appearance like that started out as --

 

 

1) a good or a gvg (which needed cleaning to cover and interior, some color touch and a number of tears sealed.

 

OR

 

2) a very poor with massive staining and sizable pieces of the cover art and interior missing. (which needed massive cleaning and color touch and sizeable pieces of the art -- and the book itself -- literally recreated)

 

Given all the above, it should be quite easy to understand why some people would want to slab a book, especially if it was poor and ugly to start with and they knew it would get the same label as a book which started out looking like a vg. But it should also be easy to understand why not everyone would want to sell -- or buy -- an action 1 based purely on its label in a slab.

 

 

 

 

You could have just said that perhaps the guy didn't want to pay the slabbing fees

 

[samurai007]

A picture from the guy's auction:

 

 

 

Look at how clean, white, and undamaged the cover is, and how mangled and tan the upper left of the interior pages (near the spine of the book) are.

 

How could that much damage occur to the interior of the book, yet leave the cover relatively untouched?

 

I smell resto here...

 

There was water damage which caused splitting of the pages at the top, which is why it has archive paper, which has been fully described.

 

If you want to make a concerted effort to drive down the price of somebody's property, please check first via a PM. I will be happy to do the same to you and not to make efforts to cause you to lose money out of... well, I'm not sure what it's out of.

 

You are the one selling the book? I didn't know that. I'm not trying to sabotage you or anything.

 

I wasn't talking about the archive paper across the top of the pages, I was talking about the upper left quarter of the interior of the book, along the upper left spine, looking pretty badly water damaged and crushed, while the cover looks white and relatively unwrinkled. You can clearly see the wrinkles on the interior pages, but the upper left corner of the cover doesn't seem to have the same wrinkles (and they should be even more severe on the cover than the interior pages.) Is the cover actually wrinkled by the same waterstain and it just doesn't show up in the pictures? It didn't look like it in the above picture, and it doesn't look like it in this close-up of the upper left corner of the cover:

 

 

How does that happen?

 

And for what it's worth, I agree with you about the inconsistency in the Action 1's grades you posted. I don't slab books myself, I buy and sell raw books only, so I have no qualms about that point.

 

But the damage seen in these photos just looks odd to me, with the cover being in significantly better shape than the interior pages.

[action1kid]

it is not unusual at all for an Action 1 owner not to have his[or her] book slabbed.

 

I know the owners of the very best copies and the reasons are

 

1]why do I need to put my book in a plastic coffin.to enjoy it.

2] I will not risk in the slightest having my book damaged in transit or in the grading process.

3] Many feel that there grading expertise is as good as cgc.

4]Many wish to stay anonymous for obvious reasons

 

 

There really are alot of solid reasons.Im sure I dont have to ramble on

 

 

[Thegoldenage]

you would think a dealer offering so many rare comics would get this slabbed before selling it. With their feedback rating it seems like they are one ones to avoiding the slab in order to hide something.

 

Could be the very brittle pages, or possibly restoration, but in either event, not being slabbed will mean a lower final bid.

 

What is "the very brittle pages"? Have you seen the book. Please do not make spurious comments with an obvious design to slam my property without facts to support them. As you can see the pages are readable. Where did you get information the pages were "very brittle"? Shall I look to any auctions or sales you have ongoing and lob negative comments about them.

 

This book would have been slabbed had it not been for the very wide variation I have seen and documented in the treatment of copies of this book (and others) when they are slabbed.

 

If you want to say slabbing would increase the bid price, that is fine, because it's your opinion. But I had planned to slab many more books before I saw a pattern that made me feel it was not consistent for high end books like this.

 

If it were reliably consistent, this and most of my other books would already be slabbed.

 

I would LOVE to see policies shift (with more detailed and sensible info re archive paper, etc.) to better reflect what really makes a book compare favorably or unfavorably to another copy and not to have it swing as wildly as it does, as shown in my earlier post of slabbed action 1s.

 

I refer you -- and the readers checking in to see the latest post, back to that.

 

A blind man could see that the pages on your book are brittle and being held together with rice paper. Sorry if that seems "spurious" but it is indeed factual. And none of the other Action 1's you use as examples are legit. None of them have the same page quality. Some are definitely fuglier, but they should grade higher due to the page quality alone.