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The Official The Walking Dead Discussion Thread
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Katchoo

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That's is most certainly not how your argument started. Nobody is stopping you from sharing your opinion but this is hardly the thread to do so.

 

Really? Where would you like me to talk about content of the WD comic if not in the WD discussion thread?

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Katchoo

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That's is most certainly not how your argument started. Nobody is stopping you from sharing your opinion but this is hardly the thread to do so.

And you know what? I really really tiptoed around the sexism issue when I first brought it up because I was worried the same old bull :censored: would get posted by a bunch of guys. So I was right to be worried. Thanks for that. I only felt even half comfortable going on with it because someone else mentioned sexism first, in the form of bringing up refrigeration of women. The fact I was worried about bringing it up and felt uncomfortable bringing it up is a :censored:ing problem in itself.

 

Then people wonder why sexism in comics continues. "Why don't people call it out?" they say. Yeah, I wonder.

 

Now you're telling me that a discussion thread for the comic I believe has a sexist trope in it isn't the place to discuss that sexist trope. Where should I discuss it? Somewhere you don't visit so it doesn't bother you?

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retrothecollector

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GO AWAY!! :frustrated:

 

Are you even old enough to read TWD?

 

This whole situation on the one hand is unbelievable yet unfortunately all too common. Someone (usually a woman) mentions the word sexism... and well, look what's happened here. I'm a troll, I'm mental, I'm a :censored: bag. Then a guy finally demands that I "GO AWAY!!".

 

Maybe I'm supposed to feel sorry for intruding in your comfy privileged white male bubble.

 

It wasn't me who put rape in TWD and since this is a discussion thread for TWD it's perfectly valid that I should air my opinion on it without essentially being bullied out.

 

"Why aren't there more women in comics?" :censored:ing *headdesk*

 

 

 

I use a fake ID when I buy WD at the LCS. Been doing it for years.

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retrothecollector

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So... who's going to be bidding on this guy? It ends tonight...

 

http://www.comiclink.com/Auctions/item.asp?back=%2FComicTrack%2Fauctions%2Fbids%2Easp&id=989093

 

RAD0CF0620131011_172716.jpg

 

It better be you :baiting: Sick page. Think people will be sleeping when the clock times out? I know I won't be bidding. They need a credit card on file and I don't have enough money in my account.

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That's is most certainly not how your argument started. Nobody is stopping you from sharing your opinion but this is hardly the thread to do so.

And you know what? I really really tiptoed around the sexism issue when I first brought it up because I was worried the same old bull :censored: would get posted by a bunch of guys. So I was right to be worried. Thanks for that. I only felt even half comfortable going on with it because someone else mentioned sexism first, in the form of bringing up refrigeration of women. The fact I was worried about bringing it up and felt uncomfortable bringing it up is a :censored:ing problem in itself.

 

Then people wonder why sexism in comics continues. "Why don't people call it out?" they say. Yeah, I wonder.

 

Now you're telling me that a discussion thread for the comic I believe has a sexist trope in it isn't the place to discuss that sexist trope. Where should I discuss it? Somewhere you don't visit so it doesn't bother you?

 

meh Robert Kirkman is practicing his freedom of speach. Perhaps you should research the http://cbldf.org/ . They defend these types of work!

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retrothecollector

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This is a way better piece to bid on......

http://www.comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2Fsearch_adv_art.asp%3Fall%3Dy%26CATEGORIES%3D-1%26Artist1%3DCHARLIE%2520ADLARD%26PRICEF%3D%26PRICET%3D%26SORT%3DCATEG%26where_auctione%3Dy%26where_auctions%3Dy%23Item_986929&id=986929

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I really really tiptoed around the sexism issue when I first brought it up because I was worried the same old bull :censored: would get posted by a bunch of guys. So I was right to be worried. Thanks for that. I only felt even half comfortable going on with it because someone else mentioned sexism first, in the form of bringing up refrigeration of women. The fact I was worried about bringing it up and felt uncomfortable bringing it up is a :censored:ing problem in itself.

 

Then people wonder why sexism in comics continues. "Why don't people call it out?" they say. Yeah, I wonder.

 

This whole “rape as a plot line is lazy” argument, while important and valid, is always going to be controversial, because it is a topic that can be heavily debated over.

 

I agree that rape as a means of creating shock for the sake of shock and/or to drive sales is the work of lazy, thoughtless writing, there’s no argument there. However, the argument can be made that a rape scenario in a book like TWD is not only expected, but would probably be common in that kind of society.

 

Think of our current society, as we stand. Every day you hear horror stories of utterly disgusting things that human beings do to one another; things so vile and disturbing that they can turn your stomach. Now imagine society in a post-apocalyptic world like that of TWD. Wouldn’t the expectation be that these “evil” things would continue to occur and to some extent with more frequency and depravation? The human mind being regressed to a primitive, animalistic, survival of the fittest state would probably lead to this, no? Or do we think that in post-apocalyptic world we would be more understanding and loving to our fellow man as we try to survive and rebuild?

 

My point is that I don’t see a plot like rape in TWD as being lazy writing or just shock inducing. Do I feel like Kirkman has had some weak points in his story thus far? Sure, but in my opinion it’s not this particular topic nor do i feel like his writing is plagued with sexism. A lot of the female characters in TWD are strong in their own right. I love Andrea and think she’s kick- and I’m sure a lot of people feel the same about Michonne.

 

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This piece originally sold for $1700 upon release and subsequently was offered for sale on CAF for $2100 prior to being commissioned to ComicLink. It has some potential additional value having also been used as the inside front cover for TWD 17 TPB. It is a worthy zombie splash from the small-page era.

 

It is disappointing to see such blowback at Katchoo's argument about lazy writing. I found the rape plot to be a common male written interpretation of a woman's worst horror in a post-apocalyptic scenario. It attempted to make the Governor a typically "evil" character, but actually took away from his craziness evident in keeping alive a zombie pet daughter and floating heads in tanks.

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I really really tiptoed around the sexism issue when I first brought it up because I was worried the same old bull :censored: would get posted by a bunch of guys. So I was right to be worried. Thanks for that. I only felt even half comfortable going on with it because someone else mentioned sexism first, in the form of bringing up refrigeration of women. The fact I was worried about bringing it up and felt uncomfortable bringing it up is a :censored:ing problem in itself.

 

Then people wonder why sexism in comics continues. "Why don't people call it out?" they say. Yeah, I wonder.

 

This whole “rape as a plot line is lazy” argument, while important and valid, is always going to be controversial, because it is a topic that can be heavily debated over.

 

I agree that rape as a means of creating shock for the sake of shock and/or to drive sales is the work of lazy, thoughtless writing, there’s no argument there. However, the argument can be made that a rape scenario in a book like TWD is not only expected, but would probably be common in that kind of society.

 

Think of our current society, as we stand. Every day you hear horror stories of utterly disgusting things that human beings do to one another; things so vile and disturbing that they can turn your stomach. Now imagine society in a post-apocalyptic world like that of TWD. Wouldn’t the expectation be that these “evil” things would continue to occur and to some extent with more frequency and depravation? The human mind being regressed to a primitive, animalistic, survival of the fittest state would probably lead to this, no? Or do we think that in post-apocalyptic world we would be more understanding and loving to our fellow man as we try to survive and rebuild?

 

My point is that I don’t see a plot like rape in TWD as being lazy writing or just shock inducing. Do I feel like Kirkman has had some weak points in his story thus far? Sure, but in my opinion it’s not this particular topic nor do i feel like his writing is plagued with sexism. A lot of the female characters in TWD are strong in their own right. I love Andrea and think she’s kick- and I’m sure a lot of people feel the same about Michonne.

This +1 EXACTLY!!!!

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Katchoo

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meh Robert Kirkman is practicing his freedom of speach. Perhaps you should research the http://cbldf.org/ . They defend these types of work!

That's an insanely dumb response.

 

It is disappointing to see such blowback at Katchoo's argument about lazy writing. I found the rape plot to be a common male written interpretation of a woman's worst horror in a post-apocalyptic scenario. It attempted to make the Governor a typically "evil" character, but actually took away from his craziness evident in keeping alive a zombie pet daughter and floating heads in tanks.

YES, a hundred times yes! That's one more thing I hate about it. I made the point before - it's always used to show just how "evil" a guy is. It's so far from what rape actually is. It perpetuates the myth that rape is only committed by evil monsters lurking in dark places.

 

This is exactly why M.Millar got flack. He explained that he used rape in the story to show how bad the guy was. :facepalm:

 

However, the argument can be made that a rape scenario in a book like TWD is not only expected, but would probably be common in that kind of society.

 

Think of our current society, as we stand. Every day you hear horror stories of utterly disgusting things that human beings do to one another; things so vile and disturbing that they can turn your stomach. Now imagine society in a post-apocalyptic world like that of TWD. Wouldn’t the expectation be that these “evil” things would continue to occur and to some extent with more frequency and depravation? The human mind being regressed to a primitive, animalistic, survival of the fittest state would probably lead to this, no? Or do we think that in post-apocalyptic world we would be more understanding and loving to our fellow man as we try to survive and rebuild?

 

My point is that I don’t see a plot like rape in TWD as being lazy writing or just shock inducing.

You don't need to tell me how common rape and other awful things are. I don't think that holds any weight for the argument you're putting forward though. In fact, I think it weakens it in this particular case.

 

"A plot like rape" in any story, not just TWD isn't inherently lazy writing and isn't always used for shock. I've already said that. In this case, the rape-revenge issue was most definitely shock for shock's sake. I honestly don't know how you can argue otherwise. I mean, that was Ennis level torture porn. Reading the story, it felt like the only purpose of the rape was to have that torture scene afterwards. That really *spooned* me off. It's so unbelievably lazy and completely disrespectful. It's a dude writing about a woman getting raped and then having revenge torture. That's introducing rape into a story for the shock factor and for "entertainment".

 

And I honestly don't buy the argument of a story like this being "expected" to have rape or that it somehow needs rape to remain realistic (it's about zombies ffs). I'll back up my opinion of that by pointing out there are plenty of similar stories, either end-of-world scenarios or zombie stories that don't have rape and cope just fine without having rape. I mean, if you saw a zombie movie where people were acting like animals and there wasn't a rape scene would you think afterwards "yeah, that was really cool, but the lack of a rape scene really spoiled it for me"? Is this what you're saying? Cos it sounds ridiculous to me. Also, the tv show doesn't have the rape or the torture scene.

 

Do I feel like Kirkman has had some weak points in his story thus far? Sure, but in my opinion it’s not this particular topic nor do i feel like his writing is plagued with sexism. A lot of the female characters in TWD are strong in their own right. I love Andrea and think she’s kick- and I’m sure a lot of people feel the same about Michonne.

I've never said Kirkman's writing is plagued with sexism. I even pointed out myself that I was glad Michonne at least had a personality (if I'm remembering correctly) before the rape and it certainly wasn't the definition of her character or the only reason for her being in the comic in the first place. So please don't use strawman arguments. :foryou:

 

This +1 EXACTLY!!!!

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nah, too many zombies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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