ASM #99 sells for $7000

[Flaming_Telepath]

As high as this price sounds 50 times guide is a general rule of thumb for 9.8 highest graded bronze books that are either key or tough to find.

 

But this is neither?

[The Question?]

 

 

wow! slabs have really led to some bad things when you think it through.

[VintageComics]

As high as this price sounds 50 times guide is a general rule of thumb for 9.8 highest graded bronze books that are either key or tough to find.

 

But this is neither?

 

Well I haven't checked the census but someone mentioned that this is a lone 9.8, right? That's what I meant...tough in CGC grade.

 

 

[nik]

 

wow! slabs have really led to some bad things when you think it through.

 

Not if you are the seller

[Ghost Town]

Define "reasonable". Isn't reasonable whatever someone is willing to pay? It's a collectible. The market is what sets the pricing.

 

But one seller artificially bumping up prices to sell on consignment to one buyer does NOT a market make.

 

If that book had been pushed to $7K in open auction, it would be a different story.

 

I'm not debating that one sale certainly doesn't create a market for the book (either positively or negatively). I'm simply arguing that you can't call the price or the sale "unreasonable" per se. I think reasonable is relative to the person buying the book. What is reasonable to you or I is not necessarily the same for someone in Brulato's collecting realm. I wonder what Ghost Town or Schmell would think of this record price?

If you compare it to some of the ASM prices realized in the recent ComicLink auctions (ASM 31, 37, 50, 60, 69, etc.), I don’t think the price is all that crazy or unique. With the exception of the 31, the C-Link books weren’t even one of a kind. There are multiple people that are driving these ASM prices.

 

[Foolkiller]

Define "reasonable". Isn't reasonable whatever someone is willing to pay? It's a collectible. The market is what sets the pricing.

 

But one seller artificially bumping up prices to sell on consignment to one buyer does NOT a market make.

 

If that book had been pushed to $7K in open auction, it would be a different story.

 

I'm not debating that one sale certainly doesn't create a market for the book (either positively or negatively). I'm simply arguing that you can't call the price or the sale "unreasonable" per se. I think reasonable is relative to the person buying the book. What is reasonable to you or I is not necessarily the same for someone in Brulato's collecting realm. I wonder what Ghost Town or Schmell would think of this record price?

If you compare it to some of the ASM prices realized in the recent ComicLink auctions (ASM 31, 37, 50, 60, 69, etc.), I don’t think the price is all that crazy or unique. With the exception of the 31, the C-Link books weren’t even one of a kind. There are multiple people that are driving these ASM prices.

 

I totally agree. When people not active in this collecting realm make observations about the reasonableness or unreasonableness of the price, I think it's important to have input from those who are actively buying or seeking out these books. Is it a large sum to pay for the only 9.8 ASM 99? Maybe... but again, in the all the years this supposedly common book (and like many spideys, common yes, common in 9.8 no) has been submitted, this is the first 9.8.

[The Question?]

Define "reasonable". Isn't reasonable whatever someone is willing to pay? It's a collectible. The market is what sets the pricing.

 

But one seller artificially bumping up prices to sell on consignment to one buyer does NOT a market make.

 

If that book had been pushed to $7K in open auction, it would be a different story.

 

I'm not debating that one sale certainly doesn't create a market for the book (either positively or negatively). I'm simply arguing that you can't call the price or the sale "unreasonable" per se. I think reasonable is relative to the person buying the book. What is reasonable to you or I is not necessarily the same for someone in Brulato's collecting realm. I wonder what Ghost Town or Schmell would think of this record price?

If you compare it to some of the ASM prices realized in the recent ComicLink auctions (ASM 31, 37, 50, 60, 69, etc.), I don’t think the price is all that crazy or unique. With the exception of the 31, the C-Link books weren’t even one of a kind. There are multiple people that are driving these ASM prices.

 

I totally agree. When people not active in this collecting realm make observations about the reasonableness or unreasonableness of the price, I think it's important to have input from those who are actively buying or seeking out these books. Is it a large sum to pay for the only 9.8 ASM 99? Maybe... but again, in the all the years this supposedly common book (and like many spideys, common yes, common in 9.8 no) has been submitted, this is the first 9.8.

 

 

 

As true as this statement may be, REASON should be part of any logical point, decision, or discussion. Certainly anyone can, and WILL, spend whatever they wish, ON whatever they wish, if they ...wish but that's simply freewill. To be petulant just because you can, is just dealing from emotion, NOT logic, right?...here is of course a dissputatious example, but what the fark:

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is my copy, I want someone to examine, and explain, to me where that $7,000.00 #99 9.8 is $6,950.00 BETTER than this copy? (I paid $50.00 for this RAW back in 1985 ) THIS is the crux of MY contention, and i'm sure a few others

[DiceX]

I want someone to examine, and explain, to me where that $7,000.00 #99 9.8 is $6,950.00 BETTER than this copy? (I paid $50.00 for this RAW back in 1985 ) THIS is the crux of MY contention, and i'm sure a few others

 

1) They bought their copy 23 years later than you did. The market has changed a little.

2) They bought their copy slabbed. You bought yours raw.

3) Their copy is a 9.8. Yours is a 9.4.

 

Should I keep going? Perhaps you should bring up apples, when that's what is being discussed.

 

 

 

[He11blazer]

Define "reasonable". Isn't reasonable whatever someone is willing to pay? It's a collectible. The market is what sets the pricing.

 

But one seller artificially bumping up prices to sell on consignment to one buyer does NOT a market make.

 

If that book had been pushed to $7K in open auction, it would be a different story.

 

I'm not debating that one sale certainly doesn't create a market for the book (either positively or negatively). I'm simply arguing that you can't call the price or the sale "unreasonable" per se. I think reasonable is relative to the person buying the book. What is reasonable to you or I is not necessarily the same for someone in Brulato's collecting realm. I wonder what Ghost Town or Schmell would think of this record price?

If you compare it to some of the ASM prices realized in the recent ComicLink auctions (ASM 31, 37, 50, 60, 69, etc.), I don’t think the price is all that crazy or unique. With the exception of the 31, the C-Link books weren’t even one of a kind. There are multiple people that are driving these ASM prices.

 

I totally agree. When people not active in this collecting realm make observations about the reasonableness or unreasonableness of the price, I think it's important to have input from those who are actively buying or seeking out these books. Is it a large sum to pay for the only 9.8 ASM 99? Maybe... but again, in the all the years this supposedly common book (and like many spideys, common yes, common in 9.8 no) has been submitted, this is the first 9.8.

 

 

 

As true as this statement may be, REASON should be part of any logical point, decision, or discussion. Certainly anyone can, and WILL, spend whatever they wish, ON whatever they wish, if they ...wish but that's simply freewill. To be petulant just because you can, is just dealing from emotion, NOT logic, right?...here is of course a dissputatious example, but what the fark:

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is my copy, I want someone to examine, and explain, to me where that $7,000.00 #99 9.8 is $6,950.00 BETTER than this copy? (I paid $50.00 for this RAW back in 1985 ) THIS is the crux of MY contention, and i'm sure a few others

 

Come on. I suppose you throw your arms up at the 'madness' when you hear some rich bozo paid $10,000,000 to have the Rolling Stones play at his 5yr old daughter's birthday party too.

 

If people have the money and want to indulge their little hobby of pursuing the 'world's greatest graded Spidey set', then that's what it costs to beat the three of four other super-wealthy geeks* in the world. I don't have a problem with that. If I was rich, I'd probably do the same.

 

 

 

 

*not an offensive term (thumbs u

[The Question?]

I want someone to examine, and explain, to me where that $7,000.00 #99 9.8 is $6,950.00 BETTER than this copy? (I paid $50.00 for this RAW back in 1985 ) THIS is the crux of MY contention, and i'm sure a few others

 

1) They bought their copy 23 years later than you did. The market has changed a little.

2) They bought their copy slabbed. You bought yours raw.

3) Their copy is a 9.8. Yours is a 9.4.

 

Should I keep going? Perhaps you should bring up apples, when that's what is being discussed.

 

 

 

 

 

YES, you should keep going, you have not answered my query in the least? It's apples to apples, CLEARLY...same book (duh) a HALF grade? an OPINION of people grading paper? for $6,950.00 MORE??? no, please, keep going...i'm trying to ascertain what your post intended?

 

As for the 23 years?...fine, find a CGC 9.4 for what? $300.00-$350.00? so $6,700.00 better?

 

 

I don't think so in a trillion years. Madness is madness, regardless of an opinion.

[DiceX]

I want someone to examine, and explain, to me where that $7,000.00 #99 9.8 is $6,950.00 BETTER than this copy? (I paid $50.00 for this RAW back in 1985 ) THIS is the crux of MY contention, and i'm sure a few others

 

1) They bought their copy 23 years later than you did. The market has changed a little.

2) They bought their copy slabbed. You bought yours raw.

3) Their copy is a 9.8. Yours is a 9.4.

 

Should I keep going? Perhaps you should bring up apples, when that's what is being discussed.

 

 

 

 

 

YES, you should keep going, you have not answered my query in the least? It's apples to apples, CLEARLY...same book (duh) a HALF grade? an OPINION of people grading paper? for $6,950.00 MORE??? no, please, keep going...i'm trying to ascertain what your post intended?

 

As for the 23 years?...fine, find a CGC 9.4 for what? $300.00-$350.00? so $6,700.00 better?

 

 

I don't think so in a trillion years. Madness is madness, regardless of an opinion.

 

To think my impression of you was that you were a doofus. I sold you way short, man.

 

 

 

[MutantKeys]

Hes a shill...

[VintageComics]

Define "reasonable". Isn't reasonable whatever someone is willing to pay? It's a collectible. The market is what sets the pricing.

 

But one seller artificially bumping up prices to sell on consignment to one buyer does NOT a market make.

 

If that book had been pushed to $7K in open auction, it would be a different story.

 

I'm not debating that one sale certainly doesn't create a market for the book (either positively or negatively). I'm simply arguing that you can't call the price or the sale "unreasonable" per se. I think reasonable is relative to the person buying the book. What is reasonable to you or I is not necessarily the same for someone in Brulato's collecting realm. I wonder what Ghost Town or Schmell would think of this record price?

If you compare it to some of the ASM prices realized in the recent ComicLink auctions (ASM 31, 37, 50, 60, 69, etc.), I don’t think the price is all that crazy or unique. With the exception of the 31, the C-Link books weren’t even one of a kind. There are multiple people that are driving these ASM prices.

 

I totally agree. When people not active in this collecting realm make observations about the reasonableness or unreasonableness of the price, I think it's important to have input from those who are actively buying or seeking out these books. Is it a large sum to pay for the only 9.8 ASM 99? Maybe... but again, in the all the years this supposedly common book (and like many spideys, common yes, common in 9.8 no) has been submitted, this is the first 9.8.

 

 

 

As true as this statement may be, REASON should be part of any logical point, decision, or discussion. Certainly anyone can, and WILL, spend whatever they wish, ON whatever they wish, if they ...wish but that's simply freewill. To be petulant just because you can, is just dealing from emotion, NOT logic, right?...here is of course a dissputatious example, but what the fark:

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is my copy, I want someone to examine, and explain, to me where that $7,000.00 #99 9.8 is $6,950.00 BETTER than this copy? (I paid $50.00 for this RAW back in 1985 ) THIS is the crux of MY contention, and i'm sure a few others

 

Come on. I suppose you throw your arms up at the 'madness' when you hear some rich bozo paid $10,000,000 to have the Rolling Stones play at his 5yr old daughter's birthday party too.

 

If people have the money and want to indulge their little hobby of pursuing the 'world's greatest graded Spidey set', then that's what it costs to beat the three of four other super-wealthy geeks* in the world. I don't have a problem with that. If I was rich, I'd probably do the same.

 

 

 

 

*not an offensive term (thumbs u

 

I agree. The owners of RIM held a Christmas party this past year. It was at the ACC center in Toronto and they invited Van Halen to perform. Why not?

 

Anyone that balks at spending $7000 on this book is a hyprocrite if they wear any silver, gold, jewlery, a suit that costs more than $100 or spends anything more than bargain price on anything they own.

 

My point is not to insult anyone. My point is that most people will spend [reasonably] within their means. When a $350 9.4 is expensive to me, that doesn't mean that $7000 is expensive to someone else who has 10 or 20 times the income that I have.

 

It's like I always say...a person can only see as far as his perspective will let him or her. Some people just have a different perspective so how can I understand the value they see in a product when it is a significant portion of my annual wage? I can't.

 

It's called economy and it makes the world go round. It brings competition to the market, a sale like this will bring more copies to the market, it will create a buzz....I don't see anything negative about it except that maybe the guy may not get $7000 if he tries to resell...but then if he can afford to take the hit, who cares?

 

I work in a hi end auto business. I see people return cars after 6 months and take a $50,000 hit without flinching...just beacuse they are bored. I can't understand it but then hey, I don't need to...it keeps me in business.

 

(thumbs u

[DiceX]

Hes a shill...

 

No. He's a tool.

 

 

 

[mackenzie999]

 

I'm sure people from 30 years ago would be horrified at the prices we pay today.

 

Yup. I stopped collecting about 30 years ago and have only recently started paying attention again, and yes horrified fits nicely.

[VintageComics]

Hes a shill...

 

No. He's a tool.

 

 

 

I assume you guys are talking about The Question? Who is he a shill for Danny?

 

[Comicsarefun]

That 9.8 was OW/W as well, the 9.4 posted above has nice white pages. Just a guy with too much money and too little imagination. Or perhaps he won't even send in the money as happened on my last Clink sale. Just another thrill bidder?

[supapimp]

$50 in 1985 was a lot of money, i could've bought other NM keys in 1985 for that $ amount. considering that i sold my CGC 9.2 in 2002 for $150, just my 2 bills.

[Foolkiller]

Define "reasonable". Isn't reasonable whatever someone is willing to pay? It's a collectible. The market is what sets the pricing.

 

But one seller artificially bumping up prices to sell on consignment to one buyer does NOT a market make.

 

If that book had been pushed to $7K in open auction, it would be a different story.

 

I'm not debating that one sale certainly doesn't create a market for the book (either positively or negatively). I'm simply arguing that you can't call the price or the sale "unreasonable" per se. I think reasonable is relative to the person buying the book. What is reasonable to you or I is not necessarily the same for someone in Brulato's collecting realm. I wonder what Ghost Town or Schmell would think of this record price?

If you compare it to some of the ASM prices realized in the recent ComicLink auctions (ASM 31, 37, 50, 60, 69, etc.), I don’t think the price is all that crazy or unique. With the exception of the 31, the C-Link books weren’t even one of a kind. There are multiple people that are driving these ASM prices.

 

I totally agree. When people not active in this collecting realm make observations about the reasonableness or unreasonableness of the price, I think it's important to have input from those who are actively buying or seeking out these books. Is it a large sum to pay for the only 9.8 ASM 99? Maybe... but again, in the all the years this supposedly common book (and like many spideys, common yes, common in 9.8 no) has been submitted, this is the first 9.8.

 

 

 

As true as this statement may be, REASON should be part of any logical point, decision, or discussion. Certainly anyone can, and WILL, spend whatever they wish, ON whatever they wish, if they ...wish but that's simply freewill. To be petulant just because you can, is just dealing from emotion, NOT logic, right?...here is of course a dissputatious example, but what the fark:

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is my copy, I want someone to examine, and explain, to me where that $7,000.00 #99 9.8 is $6,950.00 BETTER than this copy? (I paid $50.00 for this RAW back in 1985 ) THIS is the crux of MY contention, and i'm sure a few others

 

Actually, I'm very sympathetic to this point of view. It seems outrageous -- let's say a slabbed 9.4 would sell for $250 today (I'm making this up).... is a 9.8 really worth more than $6k more? Well, certainly not to you -- and not to me either. I can't see why you would spend $7k on this book either. What you are doing is giving an emotional response to the subject because your gut tells you it isn't worth that. In reality, the logical response is that the market dictates and sets a given price and therefore, that is the benchmark with dictates its current value (since it is the only one).

 

That being said, I understand where your sentiments are derived from. It seems like an awful large jump even from what a 9.6 sells for. Then again, people are willing to pay for scarcity, just not me. If Tommy B. wants it though, I hardly would criticize him for plunking down $7k.

[supapimp]

 

I agree. The owners of RIM held a Christmas party this past year. It was at the ACC center in Toronto and they invited Van Halen to perform. Why not?

 

 

(thumbs u

 

uh, don't you mean RIMM who designs the software for the crackberry phones?