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Pedigree Complete Listings

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mikeyboy9000

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Been searching the net and what not, but can't seem to find any sort of list of just what exactly is contained in each pedigree. I mean we all (most?) know that some pedigrees have a general theme and others are just enormous encompassing the world but i am trying to track down something that goes like this:

 

Curator pedigree:

ASM #1 - #100

DD#1-24, #26 - 100

 

Milehigh:

Everything, twice.

etc.

 

that tells you exactly what's in the pedigree...

 

anyone else know of a list like this?

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mikeyboy9000

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I suppose this is why the rumours? (facts?) of counterfeit/faked mile high/church comics exist.

 

How exactly does cgc determine that a book is a pedigree if they don't know? What if i say i have a white mountain asm#34 and they don't believe me and it's the only thing missing from my white mountain #'s 1 - 50?

 

Can anyone enlighten me?

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I suppose this is why the rumours? (facts?) of counterfeit/faked mile high/church comics exist.

 

How exactly does cgc determine that a book is a pedigree if they don't know? What if i say i have a white mountain asm#34 and they don't believe me and it's the only thing missing from my white mountain #'s 1 - 50?

 

Can anyone enlighten me?

 

First off you can't have the WM copy of ASM #34, as I have it :). Secondly if you have any other White Mountains it is a custom of these boards that you must sell it to me :) :) :)

 

Jim

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I suppose this is why the rumours? (facts?) of counterfeit/faked mile high/church comics exist.

 

How exactly does cgc determine that a book is a pedigree if they don't know? What if i say i have a white mountain asm#34 and they don't believe me and it's the only thing missing from my white mountain #'s 1 - 50?

 

Can anyone enlighten me?

 

I believe they reach out and call their collector/dealer friends who are specialists...

I know CGC has called Metro to get certainty about a specific book or pedigree.

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First off you can't have the WM copy of ASM #34, as I have it :). Secondly if you have any other White Mountains it is a custom of these boards that you must sell it to me :) :) :)

 

Jim

 

You can take any ASM you like, the wall crawler doesn't interest me.

 

A shame that there is no definitive list of what is contained in the pedigrees. Anyone know of an unnoficial list? Something those of us who are intending to collect a particular run might then say to ourselves, hey why not all church/curator/etc ASM's just to make things hard....

 

I found this: http://comicbookpedigrees.com/index.htm the news says something of a collection of 48 pedigree lists...

 

Edit: found this as a sample list of their 'allentown' pages

edit2: doh - > http://comicbookpedigrees.com/book-update2.htm

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At least partial lists of the contents of pedigree collections exist in many cases. Sometimes you just need to know who to ask and sometimes you need to find original selling ads. If you can find out who first brought the pedigree to market that person is usually a good place to start.

 

For the Church collection this is a good start:LINK . It is missing a whole lot of books that were sold before the catalog was written however.

 

Searching Heritage's website will get you the bulk of the Crippen books.

 

It takes some research, but there's lots of information out there (thumbs u

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A shame that there is no definitive list of what is contained in the pedigrees. Anyone know of an unnoficial list?

A guy on these boards tried to put together pedigree lists for Silver Age Marvels a few years ago. The lists aren't complete, but it's a good start. Here are some of the links:

Amazing Spider-Man

Tales of Suspense

Incredible Hulk

Daredevil

Fantastic Four

Avengers

Journey Into Mystery

Tales To Astonish

X-Men

Strange Tales

 

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KingOfRulers

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I suppose this is why the rumours? (facts?) of counterfeit/faked mile high/church comics exist.

 

How exactly does cgc determine that a book is a pedigree if they don't know? What if i say i have a white mountain asm#34 and they don't believe me and it's the only thing missing from my white mountain #'s 1 - 50?

 

Can anyone enlighten me?

 

As cgcworld mentioned, they will be able to tell if they have already graded a White Mountain ASM #34. If they know that certain collections only contained one of each issue, it makes it a lot easier. Also, books from some collections have a distinct smell that they can actually identify if it is a pedigree or not. For example, a great quantity of the Hawkeye books were owned by someone who stored them near moth balls, so that is actually one way in which they identify books.

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unfortunately for posterity, information is power. And many dealers who were involved in the discovery of the Pedigree collections choose to hold dear the information only they know. Maybe they can at least be expected to place all data into a time capsule for future historians, if they choose not to share during their lifetimes.!

 

 

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With regard to unaccounted pedigree books, here are some of the collections that I think have some unaccounted for books. There are a lot of them. I like to think that I'll be able to find an unidentified pedigree someday like The Dude did with his early Superman.

 

Bostons have no ID marks much of the time. I would think Circle 8 must have a bunch because of it's lack of ID marks and size. Also, Curator possibly. Denvers have no identification marks but since it is a small collection with a master list, it makes identification easier. Kansas City is still a mystery to me. There are no identification marks on the books. I'm not sure, but as far as I know someone still owns the collection in most of its entirety and is still releasing books to market from time to time. Okajimas were sold to a few different dealers pre-CGC, so some of those might be unaccounted for also. They are easier to ID because of the name on the cover, but I'm not sure if there was ever a master list. Rockfords are spread out all over the place (another pre-CGC collection sold to many different people), but the stamp makes identification easier. Reilly books pre-1942 have no ID marks, as well it was a very early pedigree collection to surface. So, there are probably a lot of those out there. Sam with Windy City; it was also a very early find being sold to more than one buyer, and not all of the books have the name written inside for identification.

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For example, a great quantity of the Hawkeye books were owned by someone who stored them near moth balls, so that is actually one way in which they identify books.

 

Can you tell me the history of the Hawkeye books. I have one book that smells like mothballs. It was sold to me from someone who bought it from Michael Goldman of Motor City. He just refered to it as the mothball collection. Is this the Hawkeye collection ? BTW Dripping wet colors on this mothball book.

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For example, a great quantity of the Hawkeye books were owned by someone who stored them near moth balls, so that is actually one way in which they identify books.

 

Can you tell me the history of the Hawkeye books. I have one book that smells like mothballs. It was sold to me from someone who bought it from Michael Goldman of Motor City. He just refered to it as the mothball collection. Is this the Hawkeye collection ? BTW Dripping wet colors on this mothball book.

is the book a SA DC from the 50s? Could be from the Newsboy collection, which is where the CGC 9.6 Showcase 4 came from. That collection was stored in a closet with mothballs.
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For example, a great quantity of the Hawkeye books were owned by someone who stored them near moth balls, so that is actually one way in which they identify books.

 

Can you tell me the history of the Hawkeye books. I have one book that smells like mothballs. It was sold to me from someone who bought it from Michael Goldman of Motor City. He just refered to it as the mothball collection. Is this the Hawkeye collection ? BTW Dripping wet colors on this mothball book.

is the book a SA DC from the 50s? Could be from the Newsboy collection, which is where the CGC 9.6 Showcase 4 came from. That collection was stored in a closet with mothballs.

 

No, my book is a BA Marvel as were the others owned by the seller.

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For example, a great quantity of the Hawkeye books were owned by someone who stored them near moth balls, so that is actually one way in which they identify books.

 

Can you tell me the history of the Hawkeye books. I have one book that smells like mothballs. It was sold to me from someone who bought it from Michael Goldman of Motor City. He just refered to it as the mothball collection. Is this the Hawkeye collection ? BTW Dripping wet colors on this mothball book.

is the book a SA DC from the 50s? Could be from the Newsboy collection, which is where the CGC 9.6 Showcase 4 came from. That collection was stored in a closet with mothballs.

 

No, my book is a BA Marvel as were the others owned by the seller.

Regardless, the Hawkeye collection has GA books.
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For example, a great quantity of the Hawkeye books were owned by someone who stored them near moth balls, so that is actually one way in which they identify books.

 

Can you tell me the history of the Hawkeye books. I have one book that smells like mothballs. It was sold to me from someone who bought it from Michael Goldman of Motor City. He just refered to it as the mothball collection. Is this the Hawkeye collection ? BTW Dripping wet colors on this mothball book.

 

Yeah, I hope I can help. First, what book is it? That might tell us if it is a Hawkeye right there.

 

The collection came out in 84'. It has mostly DC books from 1939-1950. The grades tend to be in the NM range. Joe Smejkal and Mike Tekal were the primary buyers. I forget if it was Smejkal or Tekal...but whoever it is, stored their respective collection around mothballs.

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For example, a great quantity of the Hawkeye books were owned by someone who stored them near moth balls, so that is actually one way in which they identify books.

 

Can you tell me the history of the Hawkeye books. I have one book that smells like mothballs. It was sold to me from someone who bought it from Michael Goldman of Motor City. He just refered to it as the mothball collection. Is this the Hawkeye collection ? BTW Dripping wet colors on this mothball book.

is the book a SA DC from the 50s? Could be from the Newsboy collection, which is where the CGC 9.6 Showcase 4 came from. That collection was stored in a closet with mothballs.

 

No, my book is a BA Marvel as were the others owned by the seller.

 

Oh, well that pretty much does it. Hawkeye didn't have BA Marvel. :tonofbricks:

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With regard to unaccounted pedigree books....

 

I think it's remarkable that there are no master lists of the 'newer' pedigrees. I mean the older ones sure, it's a new thing you might not think of it as quite a big deal, but newer ones? Surely since it's been happening for years you'd expect people would have gone, okay we've got a pedigree on our hands, catalogue, then sell...

 

 

on a seperate note: Are there big differences between the slabbed and non-slabbed in terms of pedigrees? e.g. is a curator unslabbed unheard of, while a mile high is common...

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