BarryAllen Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) It'll close at around 5k and change ... Peter, going for the over. I am not as certain. This is a very fugly 6.0 IMHO. How does a book with that heavy of reading creasing along the spine hit 6.0? The overgrading on it should hurt the price in the end. My 4.5 B&B #28 or old label 4.5 Avengers #4 look more like 6.0s than this copy........... The stress lines knocked this this SC22 to a 6.0. I wouldn't call it the best 6.0, but I wouldn't call it a 4.5 or 5.0. This SC22 has great registration and great right colors. The price of this copy will do just fine. We will agree to disagree. There is no way I would call that book raw in hand a 6.0 with all of the heavy spine creasing, the small creases/tears along the top edge, creasing at the bottom, several small stain/smudge spots on both covers, and tanning/start of foxing around the perimeter of the back cover. It looks like it has been well pressed and dry cleaned to get it to this grade. I have noticed over the past year that CGC has been way looser than in the past with pressed color breaking creases not affecting grades as much as they used to. Way back in the beginning of CGC grading when it was nice and tight this SC #22 would not have graded out higher than 4.5/5.0. As a comparison, here is my old label 4.5 Avengers #4. Edited November 10, 2015 by kimik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) It'll close at around 5k and change ... Peter, going for the over. I am not as certain. This is a very fugly 6.0 IMHO. How does a book with that heavy of reading creasing along the spine hit 6.0? The overgrading on it should hurt the price in the end. My 4.5 B&B #28 or old label 4.5 Avengers #4 look more like 6.0s than this copy........... The stress lines knocked this this SC22 to a 6.0. I wouldn't call it the best 6.0, but I wouldn't call it a 4.5 or 5.0. This SC22 has great registration and great right colors. The price of this copy will do just fine. We will agree to disagree. There is no way I would call that book raw in hand a 6.0 with all of the heavy spine creasing, the small creases/tears along the top edge, creasing at the bottom, several small stain/smudge spots on both covers, and tanning/start of foxing around the perimeter of the back cover. It looks like it has been well pressed and dry cleaned to get it to this grade. I have noticed over the past year that CGC has been way looser than in the past with pressed color breaking creases not affecting grades as much as they used to. Way back in the beginning of CGC grading when it was nice and tight this SC #22 would not have graded out higher than 4.5/5.0. As a comparison, here is my old label 4.5 Avengers #4. From my experience with CGC’s standards and submitting thousands of books, I respectably have to disagree with your assertion on this SC22 6.0 copy. Heritage’s scans are as close as in hand as you can get and I have to give them credit for that over other auction houses scans. Of course as you mention, nothing is better in hand. I suspect if the spine stress lines was going down more (or more flaws already on it) on this SC22’s spine, CGC would have down grade it further to a 5.0, but it did not. The old label Avengers 4 you have presented has a Stan Lee non-authenticated signature. Because of this, CGC have also downgrade it. Do you have a Heritage like scans for the Avengers 4 or the grader's note? Edited November 10, 2015 by showcase22gr1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) From my experience with CGC’s standards and submitting thousands of books, I respectably have to disagree with your assertion on this SC22 6.0 copy. Heritage’s scans are as close as in hand as you can get and I have to give them credit for that over other auction houses scans. Of course as you mention, nothing is better in hand. I suspect if the spine stress lines was going down more (or more flaws already on it) on this SC22’s spine, CGC would have down grade it further to a 5.0, but it did not. The old label Avengers 4 you have presented has a Stan Lee non-authenticated signature. Because of this, CGC have also downgrade it. Do you have a Heritage like scans for the Avengers 4 or the grader's note? I have submitted 1000s of books as well over the years and we will respectfully disagree on the grade of the SC #22. As far as my Avengers #4, I bought it on Clink last year (or the year before?) because it looked better than 5.0 - 6.0 copies I was looking at snagging instead. It also helped that it ended just a few days after I sold a weaker 4.0 copy for $200 more on eBay than I paid for this one. Edited November 12, 2015 by kimik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmazingSaul Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Prices on SC22 are slowly increasing again. An eBay 4.0 sold for a little over 2k. I picked up a 4.5 for $300 dollars less last year. So this is great news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpideyFein Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 That was me last night. After selling my 4.0 last year, I've missed it since. I've been looking for the right copy, my deal on a higher grade copy fell through, and this copy has superior greens and nice paper. No date stamps and just a clean book. A part of me would still like a higher grade, but I will be happy with this for sure I would of course have liked to pay a little less, but you have to pay for nice presenters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmazingSaul Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 That was me last night. After selling my 4.0 last year, I've missed it since. I've been looking for the right copy, my deal on a higher grade copy fell through, and this copy has superior greens and nice paper. No date stamps and just a clean book. A part of me would still like a higher grade, but I will be happy with this for sure I would of course have liked to pay a little less, but you have to pay for nice presenters! Congratulations! It is a pretty nice copy. I am glad it went to a board member. I also want a higher grade copy before any movie is announced. But it is pretty rare above a 6.0... I'll have to stick to a 6.0-6.5. My current copy is a 4.5. I use to own a 7.0 but sold it for a downgrade and other comics I needed at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Nice! Your 4.0 copy looks better (to me anyway) than that 6.0 in Heritages auction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 Amazing what a proper grading/labelling does with our perception of a book. The 4.0 is a nice copy. Congrats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 That was me last night. After selling my 4.0 last year, I've missed it since. I've been looking for the right copy, my deal on a higher grade copy fell through, and this copy has superior greens and nice paper. No date stamps and just a clean book. A part of me would still like a higher grade, but I will be happy with this for sure I would of course have liked to pay a little less, but you have to pay for nice presenters! Congrats on finding your copy. Welcome to the club. I can understand when you sell something, you miss it and want it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam I am Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Congrats on the great looking copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmazingSaul Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Nice! Your 4.0 copy looks better (to me anyway) than that 6.0 in Heritages auction. I agree. I've had plenty of 4.0s that look better than some 6.0s. But.. When I take them out of the case, I see why one is a 6.0 and the other a 4.0. There are some defects that will push it down. But usually I noticed people don't mind since it just looks nice to display the cover. I personally get the graders notes before a big purchase... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelangelo Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) I want to be in this club.... so badly I had my eye on that 4.0, but a tad too rich for my blood right now. congrats on the pick up!!! Edited November 13, 2015 by Michelangelo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakman29 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) That was me last night. After selling my 4.0 last year, I've missed it since. I've been looking for the right copy, my deal on a higher grade copy fell through, and this copy has superior greens and nice paper. No date stamps and just a clean book. A part of me would still like a higher grade, but I will be happy with this for sure I would of course have liked to pay a little less, but you have to pay for nice presenters! Congrats on finding your copy. Welcome to the club. I can understand when you sell something, you miss it and want it back. Plus it's an off white copy, that's rare air with this book. Edited November 14, 2015 by oakman29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmazingSaul Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 That was me last night. After selling my 4.0 last year, I've missed it since. I've been looking for the right copy, my deal on a higher grade copy fell through, and this copy has superior greens and nice paper. No date stamps and just a clean book. A part of me would still like a higher grade, but I will be happy with this for sure I would of course have liked to pay a little less, but you have to pay for nice presenters! Congrats on finding your copy. Welcome to the club. I can understand when you sell something, you miss it and want it back. Plus it's an off white copy, that's rare air with this book. Tell me about it. Most silver age DC keys have poor paper quality. I gave up on white pagers for DC silver age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpideyFein Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Thanks fellas. It's one that's been in the back of my mind for quite some time. I agree with many that it presents well for the grade. I have to agree with some that it's soooo tough to find DC keys with nice paper. Anybody have any idea why? I also think this book is a sleeper. Even if we don't connect the movies to this book, it's one that isn't close to its DC and Marvel comrades as far as price. I know we can't look at SC4, but we could at least recognize that GL is one of the most recognizable DC characters. On my sons shirt (which I'm always jealous of his cool shirts) you find Supes, Bats, Flash, and GL. Those 4 big Dawgs are on everything. What's even better is I just told my wife about the book and she didn't quarrel with me !!!!!!!!!!. It's great to be in the club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray305comics Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 wow congrats bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W16227 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 ...... decided to keep the book - hole punches and all...... it is complete - cover and centerfold firmly attached still a showcase 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydogrules Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 ...... decided to keep the book - hole punches and all...... it is complete - cover and centerfold firmly attached still a showcase 22 Yes indeed, very nice. And I don't think you'd ever regret holding onto a copy of that. -J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted November 20, 2015 Author Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) So......the fugly 6.0 ended up at $3824 on HA today, which is lower than the last GPA sale a year ago in the same grade. Not a great result, but it looks like bidders shied away due to the weakness of the copy (the fugly gift graded CGC 5.5 B&B #28 suffered the same fate). Edited November 20, 2015 by kimik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
