If you could change one thing about CGC's grading or policies....

[Blind Owl]

Whether CGC intended for this result or not, I like how the purple label has stigmatized restored books.

 

It's created a disproportional relationship between what the book actually is and the way it's valued. People are catching on but really, should a book that is 99% identical to a non restored once fetch 1/4 to 1/2 of the non restored books value?

 

That to me is ridiculous.

 

I'll take it all day long since right now I can get my big books for a fraction of what they will be worth one day, but it is not right in my opinion.

I don't understand why there's even an issue.

 

The collectors who like restored books should be delighted, because they're able to pick up restored books at a fraction of what they claim to be their real value.

 

The collectors who hate restored books should also be delighted, because restored books are being properly stigmatized and hopefully deterring people from restoring books for purely cosmetic purposes.

 

Seems like a win-win situation to me.

 

From a collector's perspective it's a win. Terrific books at great prices. From the book's perspective it's a bit illogical as the book is nearly identical.

 

Like I said, I'll buy for as long as I can in that manner but I don't think it'll last.

 

Yes...I agree too.....in other collectibles restored is not a bad thing per se. Art, Cars, Maps...all of these increase to a closer to unrestored price differential than comics. Why should comics be different. They should not be equal to an unrestored copy, but half the value is a little too low, especially on books such as early Actions, Tecs, or other Key books.

[Blind Owl]

Extremely rare books..the price differential should be even closer to unrestored by the way...

[kc120us]

Whether CGC intended for this result or not, I like how the purple label has stigmatized restored books.

 

It's created a disproportional relationship between what the book actually is and the way it's valued. People are catching on but really, should a book that is 99% identical to a non restored once fetch 1/4 to 1/2 of the non restored books value?

 

That to me is ridiculous.

 

I'll take it all day long since right now I can get my big books for a fraction of what they will be worth one day, but it is not right in my opinion.

I don't understand why there's even an issue.

 

The collectors who like restored books should be delighted, because they're able to pick up restored books at a fraction of what they claim to be their real value.

 

The collectors who hate restored books should also be delighted, because restored books are being properly stigmatized and hopefully deterring people from restoring books for purely cosmetic purposes.

 

Seems like a win-win situation to me.

 

From a collector's perspective it's a win. Terrific books at great prices. From the book's perspective it's a bit illogical as the book is nearly identical.

 

Like I said, I'll buy for as long as I can in that manner but I don't think it'll last.

 

Most collectors also have an appreciation of value. While it might be nice to pick these books up on the cheap, many collectors also like to see these books climb in value.But the purple label really hinders that possibility. Is it fair for a book with a few dots of CT to be treated the same way as a book that has more work done to it yet still falls under the umbrella of SP restoration? For all intents and puposes, the book is 99% unrestored and 1% restored. IMO, a restored book's value should equal what it's equivalent unrestored but downgraded sibling would be worth. If an 8.0 was restored to a 9.4 grade, then its value should equal the 8.0. But in many cases it isnt so.

[Silver Surfer]

1. Be less harsh on light stains

2. Be way more harsh on color breaking creases. Should not be any on a 9.4 or better book

 

 

Bill great ideas, especially the comment about stains. (thumbs u

[mikephoen]

They really, REALLY need to stop giving foxing a break. There is absolutely zero reason that foxing should be all but ignored and staining should be hammered. That's where they are now and it's beyond stupid.

 

Agree 100%. They are WAY too lenient on foxing.

 

And agree with the OP. Tape is the enemy of comic collecting.

[seanfingh]

If it can be determined that a book is a resub, give it the exact grade that it received the first time (or lower), no matter what "improvements" have been made on the book since then.

 

This would insure that no one ever sent a label back in and would really f up the census even more than the amount of "anonymous" resubs already does. Plus it would insure that tons of Pedigree designations are lost to the ages.

Not really, particularly for books with distinctive markings such as MHs and WMs. When CGC saw one of those books being resubbed, they'd be able to do a quick check against their records and scan database and if they saw they'd graded it previously, then no higher grade could be given.

 

Plus, they should get software that is able to do a comparison of any newly submitted books against books in their database, and if they strongly believe it's the same book, then again no higher grade could be given.

 

The point that you're missing is that this would largely kill off the crack-and-resub game, rather than just cause people to try to hide their resubs better.

 

I don't think I'm missing anything. But since this is a fantastical "What would you do if you could wave a magic wand" type hypothetical discussion, I certainly understand where you are coming from.

[bedrockcomics]

Don't charge my cc till you sent my books!!!!!!!!!

[3319comics]

How about getting rid of grading tiers? Have them come in, grade them, and ship it in the order recieved. This way all are equal?

[VintageComics]

How about getting rid of grading tiers? Have them come in, grade them, and ship it in the order recieved. This way all are equal?

 

Are we discussing medicare here?

 

[joeypost]

If it can be determined that a book is a resub, give it the exact grade that it received the first time (or lower), no matter what "improvements" have been made on the book since then.

 

This would insure that no one ever sent a label back in and would really f up the census even more than the amount of "anonymous" resubs already does. Plus it would insure that tons of Pedigree designations are lost to the ages.

Not really, particularly for books with distinctive markings such as MHs and WMs. When CGC saw one of those books being resubbed, they'd be able to do a quick check against their records and scan database and if they saw they'd graded it previously, then no higher grade could be given.

 

Plus, they should get software that is able to do a comparison of any newly submitted books against books in their database, and if they strongly believe it's the same book, then again no higher grade could be given.

 

The point that you're missing is that this would largely kill off the crack-and-resub game, rather than just cause people to try to hide their resubs better.

 

So a book that is truly a higher grade (pressed or not) can never be better than the original grade it was given the first time it was submitted? Even if it was undergraded the first time around.

 

[3319comics]

How about getting rid of grading tiers? Have them come in, grade them, and ship it in the order recieved. This way all are equal?

 

Are we discussing medicare here?

 

ha ha .. Im talking about equal rights for us poor collectors !! Down with you high grade sharks who tie up CGC by grading, resubbing, grading - pressing regrading ...

[Loki]

Have graders' notes on the Internet site. It's as important as GPA data and any other research necessary for informed purchasing.

 

 

I know this issue has been beaten to death before, and is likely never going to happen, but I would still love to have access to on-line graders' notes.

[Shark]

Don't charge my cc till you sent my books!!!!!!!!!

 

I have a slight problem with this as well. They have no problem taking your money right away but then you have to wait 1 to 4 months before you have the books available to you to get any return on your investment.

[VintageComics]

How about getting rid of grading tiers? Have them come in, grade them, and ship it in the order recieved. This way all are equal?

 

Are we discussing medicare here?

 

ha ha .. Im talking about equal rights for us poor collectors !! Down with you high grade sharks who tie up CGC by grading, resubbing, grading - pressing regrading ...

 

For only a few dollars more CGC offers a guaranteed return time. Any of the express tiers, whether they are modern express, or value express, have guaranteed return times and cost a few dollars more per book.

 

Capitalist America. Wonderful.

 

[3319comics]

How about getting rid of grading tiers? Have them come in, grade them, and ship it in the order recieved. This way all are equal?

 

Are we discussing medicare here?

 

ha ha .. Im talking about equal rights for us poor collectors !! Down with you high grade sharks who tie up CGC by grading, resubbing, grading - pressing regrading ...

 

For only a few dollars more CGC offers a guaranteed return time. Any of the express tiers, whether they are modern express, or value express, have guaranteed return times and cost a few dollars more per book.

 

Capitalist America. Wonderful.

 

A few dollars more How much blood do you want from me. those few dollars will allow me to buy more low/midgrade stuff from the elites.

[joeypost]

How about getting rid of grading tiers? Have them come in, grade them, and ship it in the order recieved. This way all are equal?

 

Are we discussing medicare here?

 

ha ha .. Im talking about equal rights for us poor collectors !! Down with you high grade sharks who tie up CGC by grading, resubbing, grading - pressing regrading ...

 

For only a few dollars more CGC offers a guaranteed return time. Any of the express tiers, whether they are modern express, or value express, have guaranteed return times and cost a few dollars more per book.

 

Capitalist America. Wonderful.

 

A few dollars more How much blood do you want from me. those few dollars will allow me to buy more low/midgrade stuff from the elites.

 

$8 per book to be exact (minus any discount).

[3319comics]

How about getting rid of grading tiers? Have them come in, grade them, and ship it in the order recieved. This way all are equal?

 

Are we discussing medicare here?

 

ha ha .. Im talking about equal rights for us poor collectors !! Down with you high grade sharks who tie up CGC by grading, resubbing, grading - pressing regrading ...

 

For only a few dollars more CGC offers a guaranteed return time. Any of the express tiers, whether they are modern express, or value express, have guaranteed return times and cost a few dollars more per book.

 

Capitalist America. Wonderful.

 

A few dollars more How much blood do you want from me. those few dollars will allow me to buy more low/midgrade stuff from the elites.

 

$8 per book to be exact (minus any discount).

Thats a whole other book.. I guess canadians just dont get it.

[VintageComics]

How about getting rid of grading tiers? Have them come in, grade them, and ship it in the order recieved. This way all are equal?

 

Are we discussing medicare here?

 

ha ha .. Im talking about equal rights for us poor collectors !! Down with you high grade sharks who tie up CGC by grading, resubbing, grading - pressing regrading ...

 

For only a few dollars more CGC offers a guaranteed return time. Any of the express tiers, whether they are modern express, or value express, have guaranteed return times and cost a few dollars more per book.

 

Capitalist America. Wonderful.

 

A few dollars more How much blood do you want from me. those few dollars will allow me to buy more low/midgrade stuff from the elites.

 

$8 per book to be exact (minus any discount).

Thats a whole other book.. I guess canadians just dont get it.

 

Joey is from Joisey and now lives in Florida...so a Canadian he ain't.

 

 

I do get it but CGC needs to make a buck so I guess their pricing structure is there to offer something for everyone.

 

You can't have it all...yet.

 

[The Less Blob]

Whether CGC intended for this result or not, I like how the purple label has stigmatized restored books.

 

It's created a disproportional relationship between what the book actually is and the way it's valued. People are catching on but really, should a book that is 99% identical to a non restored once fetch 1/4 to 1/2 of the non restored books value?

 

That to me is ridiculous.

 

I'll take it all day long since right now I can get my big books for a fraction of what they will be worth one day, but it is not right in my opinion.

I don't understand why there's even an issue.

 

The collectors who like restored books should be delighted, because they're able to pick up restored books at a fraction of what they claim to be their real value.

 

The collectors who hate restored books should also be delighted, because restored books are being properly stigmatized and hopefully deterring people from restoring books for purely cosmetic purposes.

 

Seems like a win-win situation to me.

 

Unless, let's say, you were a GA collector in the 80's and 90's and send a bunch of, let's say, "Fine" type books in that turn out to have tiny CT that didn't even raise the perceived grade (and if it was a small stray pen mark, wouldn't lower the perceived grade, let's say) you don't know this, get the book slabbed and now it's "worth" 75% less than if CGC decided the CT was, in fact, a stray pen mark and thus just counted it as a defect. Doesn't it seem a little silly that if you have a small corner of the back cover that has tiny CT you get a PLOD, but if you simply rip that tiny corner off (don't cut it with a scissor, because that might look like a trim), the book may have the same grade or only go down .2 (if small enough) or whatever?

[Boba]

Stop gouging us on the shipping, and let us combine shipping on orders containing multiple tiers. $25 to ship one book being reholdered for $11 is tantamount to gouging. We all know what it costs to ship slabbed comics.