Avoid submitting to CGC until.....

[t3quila]

Mound City is still there last post was on the 18th Dec so it's back a page or two

[DarrenSmith]

I was away for a few days and now can not find the Mound City collection thread that was running in "General".

 

Did it get pulled because of CGC bashing?

 

Just curious.

 

Still there:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=169810&Number=3661947#Post3661947

 

[JiveTurkeyMoFo]

Informative, fact-ridden posts are always met with such a resounding silence in Comics General. Almost like someone farted in a five-star restaurant. It's one of the reasons I decided to collect GA.

 

And we're all glad you're here, nothing like another big wallet to bid against us for Nedors and other gems.

 

But seriously, I swore off Comics General the first half of this year, and I think I was a happier collector for it. Besides the Gold Forum, the Marketplace, and the Comic Events forum for the occasional show, I can do without the rest of the Boards and the accompanying nonsense.

 

This is certainly the hip and happening place to be, provided you don't trip over the empty Metamucil and Viagra containers.

[Ze-man]

And they say the GA forum is full of snobs!

 

General has a few threads a year worth reading, sometimes.

 

Every other year?

 

Leap Year?

 

Every other Leap Year?

 

[Silver Surfer]

Informative, fact-ridden posts are always met with such a resounding silence in Comics General. Almost like someone farted in a five-star restaurant. It's one of the reasons I decided to collect GA.

 

Because you farted in a 5-star restaurant? You will fit in here just fine.

[kimik]

I've submitted over 400 books to be CGC graded over the past 6 years, and they have been consistently tight with their grading. I would say that on average their grading vs. various dealers (Metro, Bedrock, Heritage, Superworld, Four Color, etc.) on GA and early SA books is as follows:

 

10% - Books receive a higher grade than dealer's opinion. I would say that only 3 or 4 books have come back at least 2 grades higher.

35% - Dealer and CGC are in complete agreement.

25% - Book comes back one grade lower than dealer opinion.

20% - Book comes back 2 grades lower than dealer opinion.

10% - Book comes back either way lower than dealer opinion due to glue on cover, semi-invisible water stain, slightly brittle pages, etc., or it's restored.

 

I can certainly understand a few books slipping thru the cracks and receiving higher or lower grades.............afterall, I don't expect CGC to be perfect. My only complaint (or perhaps I should say disagreement) with them is that they hammer a book for certain defects but not others. For instance, if the the book has a very minor light stain on the back cover, then it automatically gets knocked down to a 6.5 even though it could've easily graded an 8.5/9.0 otherwise. However, if the book has multiple foxing stains/blotches on the spine and back cover (a la the Crippen books) it can still receive a 9.0 score. When I compare these 9.0 graded Crippen books to my 6.5 copies with one minor stain on the back cover, I start scratching my head. The same thing applies to those ugly sun shadows, which I really hate.

 

Again, I do think that CGC does their best to remain consistent and be impartial, but I do think that early on they should've spent a bit more time discussing which defects garnered lower scores. Unfortunately, if foxing was not hammered during the time the Crippen books were graded, then looking ahead, CGC's policy will probably maintain that course.

 

I almost wish there were 2 grades given for each CGC graded book. One grade for the structural integrity, and the other for the QP. What I mean is that a 9.0 graded Crippin copy may be structurally solid, but will only receive a 4.0 QP score due to the ugly foxing and sun shadows. On the otherhand, an 8.5 Church copy may receive a QP score of 9.4 because it looks like fresh off the newstand, even though the corner may be a bit blunted.

 

Great post. Foxing is way fuglier than a faint stain IMHO, and may become worse over time as well.

 

 

[G.A.tor]

my guess is that cgc's stance on foxing is it is a "natural" occurance (relative to the environment the book is stored)...where as a "stain" is a defect that was subjected on a book (like a crease, etc)...

not saying I agree, but I "understand" their stance (if that is indeed the reason)

[kimik]

If that is the case, then why have they tightened up with sun/dust shadows now? If foxing is caused by fungal spores (as is suspected) then it will continue to get worse over time. Most stains will not.

[Mac Man]

I have to admit that in many ways, the GA forum reminds me of my first year on the boards: there's a TON of information available that is really opening my eyes or further expounding on littles bits of things I've picked up along the way. It also reminds me that in the grand scheme of the collecting world, I am but a guppy! You know, the other day (in between grading papers and portfolios) I was reading some great threads with analyses of Gerard Jones' "Men of Tomorrow" which I've nearly finished and there were some great criticisms of the book I hadn't considered; and this of course lead into some other threads going into further discussion about the history of Bob Kane and the industry--really fantastic stuff! You'll find some nice threads like this scattered throughout, but I do enjoy the number of them I find here.

 

So... to keep this on topic, I will avoid submitting to CGC until ... I've finished those threads

[kimik]

If that is the case, then how long until the Gold forum becomes Comics General Lite?