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AbsoluteCarnage

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Thanks! Now if I could just do something about my sanity I'd be all set! :insane:

 

 

 

We will have to get into some online poker Adam, maybe in a couple months when I can toss some coin in that direction bro.

 

Maybe after a few tables and few hours both our sanity will be straight. lol

 

 

ILL pm ya in a while when Im able as I know you are. ;¤)

 

 

 

Rich

 

Now THAT does sounds like fun! Just let me know when and where!!

 

Absolutely my friend. Just gotta finish up con n sketch season but as I know you will be down, ILL hit ya up in the coming months. {;¤{)

 

Rich

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Understood.

 

(thumbs u

 

The problem is trying to convey a bunch of info to a consumer, before you lose their attention span.

 

Can you give me the Cliff's Notes version, Roy?

 

LMAO lol

 

There's something wrong with my version?

 

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The same amount of explaining has to take place when a restored book is raw versus it being in a holder. Difference is you can show a person the work raw versus what the label states. Hopefully the restoration paperwork (that somehow always disappears) comes along with the book.

 

You can't tell me that this type of sale is a smooth and easy one.

 

Imagine it going like this

 

Customer "Is the book restored"

 

Feel free to insert "answer here". Well, humada, humada, not according to my sole discretion but because everybody who sold it before me said that dot of color touch isn't really there I believe that it's not really there.

 

Feel free to insert "CGC Answer here". Customer "Is the book restored".

 

Well, Sole discretion states that technically this is a blue label that normally means unrestored but in this case it isn't.

 

Turn around, put book back into box or back on wall.

 

Take another bite out of Big Mac.

 

 

Bob,

 

I have a lot of respect for you and this post is written with love. And I'm not going to debate the merits of blue label vs purple label with you because quite frankly I think the view points of both sides have merit. Personally I've never had a really strong opinion about label notes one way or the other. But its clear to me that your blatent resto-phobia is affecting your usually calm, even-tempered demeanor and your judgement is becoming affected!!

 

Sure, there are always buyers who won't buy a book with label notes. But in my experience, the majority of buyers don't really care. (In my opinion a book that has one dot of glue that doesn't affect the book or grade in any way is less restored than a book that has been super-heated to 300 degrees and smooshed from an 8.0 into a 9.4 but I guess everyone will have their own opinions!)

 

To compare this book with a hypothetical scenario where a dealer says "color touch isn't there because I believe it isn't there" is crazy and makes no sense. The CT is noted right on the label. The CGC label doesn't say "there's no color touch to see here, move along" On blue label books with notes, the information is there, and the buyer is able to make an informed decision and come to their own conclusions regarding whether or not they are interested in the book.

 

There's no undisclosed information. To me the idea that if a book has a dot of glue or ct so minor that the appearance/grade of the book is not enhance in any way it becomes looked at as a defect instead of restoration makes sense. (Should a book be more desirable if instead of a small dot of glue it had a big piece of tape? Because that wouldn't be restoration right?)

 

In any event, all the information is available to the buyer. So really I guess it all comes down to value. As a hypothetical, if someone were to take the Mile High Action 1 and put one tiny red dot of ct on the cover, how much should its value drop? $1million? $2million? Should it be worth less than the 8.0 that just sold now? No restored Action 1 has ever sold for more than $150k. And 2.5s sell for more than that now. So I guess the Mile High copy is now worth less than that 2.5 with the mold and giant piece out of the cover. (Stupid dot!)

 

Getting back to the Cap 1 in the thread, how much should its value be affected by the label note? Well, first it is my understanding that it only goes into a blue label if the work done is so minor that it does not enhance the appearance or grade of the book. Second, my understanding is the label notes are treated as a "defect". I remember having a discussion with someone once about a MMC5 CGC 4.0 with a small dot of color touch, where I was told the grade was dropped 0.5 because of the CT and if you cut the piece of the cover with the CT off the new grade would be 4.5.

 

I'm not sure if this is true, but if it is, what would the grade have been on this Cap 1? 7.0? So have the label notes already been factored in to the value of the book?

 

Or to put it another way, if you had to choose between these two copies you're saying my copy should be valued at a fraction of what the other one is worth? Despite the tanning, lesser PQ, and giant pencil erasure marks? Because if I were looking at these two copies in hand and the price was the SAME, I'd buy my copy all day long and twice on Sundays, invisible restoration or not!

 

Cap165.jpg

cap1cgc65.jpg

 

 

 

 

ditto.

 

the offw cream copy looks like a cat had a scratchathon on the left side of the book.

 

A blue label is a blue label under specific rules and regulations put into place by CGC.

 

Sure it may vary a tad with regard to ages of said book but it's the closest given grade to look of book company I can think of and I have alot of respect for their parameters.

 

The eye appeal on Adams copy wins in my mind.

 

 

But if ppl want to cry about GA blue label parameters, I guess they can always go hunt down a copy of said book with same grade in a PGX or other holder.........

 

 

Just don't be surprised when said book is RESUBBED to a company like CGC and comes back 2.0 grade points lower, with a purple label for trimming and colour touch.

 

 

Rich

 

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Understood.

 

(thumbs u

 

The problem is trying to convey a bunch of info to a consumer, before you lose their attention span.

 

Can you give me the Cliff's Notes version, Roy?

 

LMAO lol

 

There's something wrong with my version?

 

:mad:

 

lol never my friend. lol

 

the coles notes switched to Cliffs which I have seen many a times now always makes me laugh bro. {;¤{)

 

 

Your version was pretty good. B +

 

Rich

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The same amount of explaining has to take place when a restored book is raw versus it being in a holder. Difference is you can show a person the work raw versus what the label states. Hopefully the restoration paperwork (that somehow always disappears) comes along with the book.

 

You can't tell me that this type of sale is a smooth and easy one.

 

Imagine it going like this

 

Customer "Is the book restored"

 

Feel free to insert "answer here". Well, humada, humada, not according to my sole discretion but because everybody who sold it before me said that dot of color touch isn't really there I believe that it's not really there.

 

Feel free to insert "CGC Answer here". Customer "Is the book restored".

 

Well, Sole discretion states that technically this is a blue label that normally means unrestored but in this case it isn't.

 

Turn around, put book back into box or back on wall.

 

Take another bite out of Big Mac.

 

 

Bob,

 

I have a lot of respect for you and this post is written with love. And I'm not going to debate the merits of blue label vs purple label with you because quite frankly I think the view points of both sides have merit. Personally I've never had a really strong opinion about label notes one way or the other. But its clear to me that your blatent resto-phobia is affecting your usually calm, even-tempered demeanor and your judgement is becoming affected!!

 

Sure, there are always buyers who won't buy a book with label notes. But in my experience, the majority of buyers don't really care. (In my opinion a book that has one dot of glue that doesn't affect the book or grade in any way is less restored than a book that has been super-heated to 300 degrees and smooshed from an 8.0 into a 9.4 but I guess everyone will have their own opinions!)

 

To compare this book with a hypothetical scenario where a dealer says "color touch isn't there because I believe it isn't there" is crazy and makes no sense. The CT is noted right on the label. The CGC label doesn't say "there's no color touch to see here, move along" On blue label books with notes, the information is there, and the buyer is able to make an informed decision and come to their own conclusions regarding whether or not they are interested in the book.

 

There's no undisclosed information. To me the idea that if a book has a dot of glue or ct so minor that the appearance/grade of the book is not enhance in any way it becomes looked at as a defect instead of restoration makes sense. (Should a book be more desirable if instead of a small dot of glue it had a big piece of tape? Because that wouldn't be restoration right?)

 

In any event, all the information is available to the buyer. So really I guess it all comes down to value. As a hypothetical, if someone were to take the Mile High Action 1 and put one tiny red dot of ct on the cover, how much should its value drop? $1million? $2million? Should it be worth less than the 8.0 that just sold now? No restored Action 1 has ever sold for more than $150k. And 2.5s sell for more than that now. So I guess the Mile High copy is now worth less than that 2.5 with the mold and giant piece out of the cover. (Stupid dot!)

 

Getting back to the Cap 1 in the thread, how much should its value be affected by the label note? Well, first it is my understanding that it only goes into a blue label if the work done is so minor that it does not enhance the appearance or grade of the book. Second, my understanding is the label notes are treated as a "defect". I remember having a discussion with someone once about a MMC5 CGC 4.0 with a small dot of color touch, where I was told the grade was dropped 0.5 because of the CT and if you cut the piece of the cover with the CT off the new grade would be 4.5.

 

I'm not sure if this is true, but if it is, what would the grade have been on this Cap 1? 7.0? So have the label notes already been factored in to the value of the book?

 

Or to put it another way, if you had to choose between these two copies you're saying my copy should be valued at a fraction of what the other one is worth? Despite the tanning, lesser PQ, and giant pencil erasure marks? Because if I were looking at these two copies in hand and the price was the SAME, I'd buy my copy all day long and twice on Sundays, invisible restoration or not!

 

Cap165.jpg

cap1cgc65.jpg

 

 

 

 

ditto.

 

the offw cream copy looks like a cat had a scratchathon on the left side of the book.

 

A blue label is a blue label under specific rules and regulations put into place by CGC.

 

Sure it may vary a tad with regard to ages of said book but it's the closest given grade to look of book company I can think of and I have alot of respect for their parameters.

 

The eye appeal on Adams copy wins in my mind.

 

 

But if ppl want to cry anout GA blue label parameters, I guess they can always go hunt down a copy of said book with same grade in a PGX or other holder.........

 

 

Just don't be surprised when said book is RESUBBED to a company like CGC and comes back 2.0 grade points lower, with a purple label for trimming and colour touch.

 

 

Rich

 

Rich are you refering to filter81's book? if so, this really proves my point that I was almost a victim of fraud.

 

 

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How have I overlooked this thread? It's like a big pile of naked, sweaty nerds, all excited and starting to get lathered and juicy. I would leave but my feet have stuck to the floor. hm

 

 

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The same amount of explaining has to take place when a restored book is raw versus it being in a holder. Difference is you can show a person the work raw versus what the label states. Hopefully the restoration paperwork (that somehow always disappears) comes along with the book.

 

You can't tell me that this type of sale is a smooth and easy one.

 

Imagine it going like this

 

Customer "Is the book restored"

 

Feel free to insert "answer here". Well, humada, humada, not according to my sole discretion but because everybody who sold it before me said that dot of color touch isn't really there I believe that it's not really there.

 

Feel free to insert "CGC Answer here". Customer "Is the book restored".

 

Well, Sole discretion states that technically this is a blue label that normally means unrestored but in this case it isn't.

 

Turn around, put book back into box or back on wall.

 

Take another bite out of Big Mac.

 

 

Bob,

 

I have a lot of respect for you and this post is written with love. And I'm not going to debate the merits of blue label vs purple label with you because quite frankly I think the view points of both sides have merit. Personally I've never had a really strong opinion about label notes one way or the other. But its clear to me that your blatent resto-phobia is affecting your usually calm, even-tempered demeanor and your judgement is becoming affected!!

 

Sure, there are always buyers who won't buy a book with label notes. But in my experience, the majority of buyers don't really care. (In my opinion a book that has one dot of glue that doesn't affect the book or grade in any way is less restored than a book that has been super-heated to 300 degrees and smooshed from an 8.0 into a 9.4 but I guess everyone will have their own opinions!)

 

To compare this book with a hypothetical scenario where a dealer says "color touch isn't there because I believe it isn't there" is crazy and makes no sense. The CT is noted right on the label. The CGC label doesn't say "there's no color touch to see here, move along" On blue label books with notes, the information is there, and the buyer is able to make an informed decision and come to their own conclusions regarding whether or not they are interested in the book.

 

There's no undisclosed information. To me the idea that if a book has a dot of glue or ct so minor that the appearance/grade of the book is not enhance in any way it becomes looked at as a defect instead of restoration makes sense. (Should a book be more desirable if instead of a small dot of glue it had a big piece of tape? Because that wouldn't be restoration right?)

 

In any event, all the information is available to the buyer. So really I guess it all comes down to value. As a hypothetical, if someone were to take the Mile High Action 1 and put one tiny red dot of ct on the cover, how much should its value drop? $1million? $2million? Should it be worth less than the 8.0 that just sold now? No restored Action 1 has ever sold for more than $150k. And 2.5s sell for more than that now. So I guess the Mile High copy is now worth less than that 2.5 with the mold and giant piece out of the cover. (Stupid dot!)

 

Getting back to the Cap 1 in the thread, how much should its value be affected by the label note? Well, first it is my understanding that it only goes into a blue label if the work done is so minor that it does not enhance the appearance or grade of the book. Second, my understanding is the label notes are treated as a "defect". I remember having a discussion with someone once about a MMC5 CGC 4.0 with a small dot of color touch, where I was told the grade was dropped 0.5 because of the CT and if you cut the piece of the cover with the CT off the new grade would be 4.5.

 

I'm not sure if this is true, but if it is, what would the grade have been on this Cap 1? 7.0? So have the label notes already been factored in to the value of the book?

 

Or to put it another way, if you had to choose between these two copies you're saying my copy should be valued at a fraction of what the other one is worth? Despite the tanning, lesser PQ, and giant pencil erasure marks? Because if I were looking at these two copies in hand and the price was the SAME, I'd buy my copy all day long and twice on Sundays, invisible restoration or not!

 

Cap165.jpg

cap1cgc65.jpg

 

 

 

 

ditto.

 

the offw cream copy looks like a cat had a scratchathon on the left side of the book.

 

A blue label is a blue label under specific rules and regulations put into place by CGC.

 

Sure it may vary a tad with regard to ages of said book but it's the closest given grade to look of book company I can think of and I have alot of respect for their parameters.

 

The eye appeal on Adams copy wins in my mind.

 

 

But if ppl want to cry anout GA blue label parameters, I guess they can always go hunt down a copy of said book with same grade in a PGX or other holder.........

 

 

Just don't be surprised when said book is RESUBBED to a company like CGC and comes back 2.0 grade points lower, with a purple label for trimming and colour touch.

 

 

Rich

 

 

Wow, PGX vs. CGC from the previous comments?

 

Think you missed the blazers point entirely.

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How have I overlooked this thread? It's like a big pile of naked, sweaty nerds, all excited and starting to get lathered and juicy. I would leave but my feet have stuck to the floor. hm

 

:hi: Welcome

 

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Rich are you refering to filter81's book? if so, this really proves my point that I was almost a victim of fraud.

 

:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao: On so many levels.

 

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