Is Robojo REALLY any different than some dealers?

[Foolkiller]

I saw this from a thread about ROBOJO and I cut and pasted it below. Please note this post is specifically about this comment....

 

 

Personally, I don't buy much of what you say.

 

You have a habit of calling out good dealer's names and dragging their names through the mud even when you have not made the purchase with the dealer. You also don't give the dealer and opportunity to clear their name before commenting on the transaction.

 

Link to discussion about Harley that you never followed up on.

 

Do you know who asked this question originally about the difference between Danny Dupcak and what else was going on in the dealer community at large?

 

Jason Ewert, when I was on the phone with him, now almost 6 years ago now.

 

His point was that the "criminals" weren't so different than the "good guys".

 

He wasn't right then, and this point being intimated is no more correct now.

[TheShadowKnows]

I have cracked books out before and sold them because I personally did not agree with the grade. Does that make me comic scum?

 

 

Trippy,

Why all the negativity ? Someone ream you bad enough that you lost

your home ? I lost my home to foreclosure, and yeah I'm pissed, but geez

dude, you come across as the most negative fk on the forum next to Joe.

Im really sorry about your home

[Speedy-D]

I saw this from a thread about ROBOJO and I cut and pasted it below. Please note this post is specifically about this comment....

 

 

Personally, I don't buy much of what you say.

 

You have a habit of calling out good dealer's names and dragging their names through the mud even when you have not made the purchase with the dealer. You also don't give the dealer and opportunity to clear their name before commenting on the transaction.

 

Link to discussion about Harley that you never followed up on.

agreed!

[Jeffro.]

I saw this from a thread about ROBOJO and I cut and pasted it below. Please note this post is specifically about this comment....

 

"He may now be screwing people less than he used to BUT he is without question still screwing people

 

In my case, before i found the boards, i bought a raw X-men 2 from him back in October. It was advertised as a 9.2-9.4. Of course, when i got it slabbed, it came back a 8.0.

 

I started a thread about it in the "silver" forum and boardies started linking other X-men 2's that i could possibly buy as a replacement. Turns out that one of those links was the book i bought from him. Danny bought a slabbed 8.5 X-men 2 from WW comics back in April, cracked it out of the slab and then sold it on eBay to me as a 9.2-9.4."

 

I have cracked books out before and sold them because I personally did not agree with the grade. Does that make me comic scum?

 

Also, most dealers I have dealt with usually grade their raw stuff anywhere from .5 to 1.5 points higher than CGC.-sometimes 2 points higher!! Some dealers do it deliberate. Robojo is cracking open slabs yet some dealers AREN'T slabbing cause they know the grade will be lowered than what they advertise.

Why should these dealers be treated any different than ROBOJO?

 

Yes! You should disclose what CGC graded the book as,or you are deceiving the buyer.

 

Why?

Does this apply only to slabbed books or are you supposed to disclose the entire ownership of the comic when you are selling it?

[oakman29]

I saw this from a thread about ROBOJO and I cut and pasted it below. Please note this post is specifically about this comment....

 

"He may now be screwing people less than he used to BUT he is without question still screwing people

 

In my case, before i found the boards, i bought a raw X-men 2 from him back in October. It was advertised as a 9.2-9.4. Of course, when i got it slabbed, it came back a 8.0.

 

I started a thread about it in the "silver" forum and boardies started linking other X-men 2's that i could possibly buy as a replacement. Turns out that one of those links was the book i bought from him. Danny bought a slabbed 8.5 X-men 2 from WW comics back in April, cracked it out of the slab and then sold it on eBay to me as a 9.2-9.4."

 

I have cracked books out before and sold them because I personally did not agree with the grade. Does that make me comic scum?

 

Also, most dealers I have dealt with usually grade their raw stuff anywhere from .5 to 1.5 points higher than CGC.-sometimes 2 points higher!! Some dealers do it deliberate. Robojo is cracking open slabs yet some dealers AREN'T slabbing cause they know the grade will be lowered than what they advertise.

Why should these dealers be treated any different than ROBOJO?

 

Yes! You should disclose what CGC graded the book as,or you are deceiving the buyer.

 

Why?

Does this apply only to slabbed books or are you supposed to disclose the entire ownership of the comic when you are selling it?

All I'm saying is if you crack a 9.2 book and call it a 9.8,you should disclose the grade it was in the slab.

[shadroch]

If someone can't tell the difference between a 7.0 book and a 9.8 book, I honestly don't feel bad for them if they get snookered. If you can't grade, stick to slabbed books.

C'mon brother you see that happening on Ebay every day,a seller calling a book NM+ when it's actually a 7.0.Or better yet you see Dupcaks special slanted picture to hide a books flaws.

 

 

If a dealer were to rob a blind man selling him a 7.0 book and calling it a 9.8, I'd feel bad for the buyer. If the buyer has one or more eyes, then its on him.

As there is absolutely no promise that CGC will reslab the book in its original grade, the original grade is meaningless.

If you crack a 7.0 it would be reasonable to assume that without some work it won't end up being slabbed at a 9.2 though.

 

If it has had work done to it, it is no longer a 7.0, correct?

If it hasn't had work done to it, shouldn't the buyer be able to tell with a casual examination its not a 9.8.

Doesn't the buyer have some responsibility here?

In a deal last year, I recieved a Spidey 11 that was deslabbed but included its original 5.5 slab. Last month I consigned it to a seller who graded it as a 5.0, even though I included the label. It ended up selling for more than we anticipated because the buyer took the time to examine the scans and judge for himself. He concluded that the consignment grade was low and bid accordingly.

 

[Speedy-D]

I saw this from a thread about ROBOJO and I cut and pasted it below. Please note this post is specifically about this comment....

 

"He may now be screwing people less than he used to BUT he is without question still screwing people

 

In my case, before i found the boards, i bought a raw X-men 2 from him back in October. It was advertised as a 9.2-9.4. Of course, when i got it slabbed, it came back a 8.0.

 

I started a thread about it in the "silver" forum and boardies started linking other X-men 2's that i could possibly buy as a replacement. Turns out that one of those links was the book i bought from him. Danny bought a slabbed 8.5 X-men 2 from WW comics back in April, cracked it out of the slab and then sold it on eBay to me as a 9.2-9.4."

 

I have cracked books out before and sold them because I personally did not agree with the grade. Does that make me comic scum?

 

Also, most dealers I have dealt with usually grade their raw stuff anywhere from .5 to 1.5 points higher than CGC.-sometimes 2 points higher!! Some dealers do it deliberate. Robojo is cracking open slabs yet some dealers AREN'T slabbing cause they know the grade will be lowered than what they advertise.

Why should these dealers be treated any different than ROBOJO?

 

Yes! You should disclose what CGC graded the book as,or you are deceiving the buyer.

 

Why?

Does this apply only to slabbed books or are you supposed to disclose the entire ownership of the comic when you are selling it?

Seems like this conversation happens about every 6 months. The reason is that CGC grades are different. There's a CGC grade, and then there's anyone else's grade; yours, mine, anyone's. As long as they are the only reputable 3rd party grader, their grade is the closest thing there is to a "real grade" that you can get. So, that info means more than other points about a comic's history.

[Jeffro.]

I saw this from a thread about ROBOJO and I cut and pasted it below. Please note this post is specifically about this comment....

 

"He may now be screwing people less than he used to BUT he is without question still screwing people

 

In my case, before i found the boards, i bought a raw X-men 2 from him back in October. It was advertised as a 9.2-9.4. Of course, when i got it slabbed, it came back a 8.0.

 

I started a thread about it in the "silver" forum and boardies started linking other X-men 2's that i could possibly buy as a replacement. Turns out that one of those links was the book i bought from him. Danny bought a slabbed 8.5 X-men 2 from WW comics back in April, cracked it out of the slab and then sold it on eBay to me as a 9.2-9.4."

 

I have cracked books out before and sold them because I personally did not agree with the grade. Does that make me comic scum?

 

Also, most dealers I have dealt with usually grade their raw stuff anywhere from .5 to 1.5 points higher than CGC.-sometimes 2 points higher!! Some dealers do it deliberate. Robojo is cracking open slabs yet some dealers AREN'T slabbing cause they know the grade will be lowered than what they advertise.

Why should these dealers be treated any different than ROBOJO?

 

Yes! You should disclose what CGC graded the book as,or you are deceiving the buyer.

 

Why?

Does this apply only to slabbed books or are you supposed to disclose the entire ownership of the comic when you are selling it?

Seems like this conversation happens about every 6 months. The reason is that CGC grades are different. There's a CGC grade, and then there's anyone else's grade; yours, mine, anyone's. As long as they are the only reputable 3rd party grader, their grade is the closest thing there is to a "real grade" that you can get. So, that info means more than other points about a comic's history.

 

In some cases I disagree. I'm not saying CGC cannot grade or they lack credibility, however their opinion of a grade is just that, an opinion. I'd put Flaming Telepath's or Bob Storms' grading up against theirs any day.

 

[Speedy-D]

I saw this from a thread about ROBOJO and I cut and pasted it below. Please note this post is specifically about this comment....

 

"He may now be screwing people less than he used to BUT he is without question still screwing people

 

In my case, before i found the boards, i bought a raw X-men 2 from him back in October. It was advertised as a 9.2-9.4. Of course, when i got it slabbed, it came back a 8.0.

 

I started a thread about it in the "silver" forum and boardies started linking other X-men 2's that i could possibly buy as a replacement. Turns out that one of those links was the book i bought from him. Danny bought a slabbed 8.5 X-men 2 from WW comics back in April, cracked it out of the slab and then sold it on eBay to me as a 9.2-9.4."

 

I have cracked books out before and sold them because I personally did not agree with the grade. Does that make me comic scum?

 

Also, most dealers I have dealt with usually grade their raw stuff anywhere from .5 to 1.5 points higher than CGC.-sometimes 2 points higher!! Some dealers do it deliberate. Robojo is cracking open slabs yet some dealers AREN'T slabbing cause they know the grade will be lowered than what they advertise.

Why should these dealers be treated any different than ROBOJO?

 

Yes! You should disclose what CGC graded the book as,or you are deceiving the buyer.

 

Why?

Does this apply only to slabbed books or are you supposed to disclose the entire ownership of the comic when you are selling it?

Seems like this conversation happens about every 6 months. The reason is that CGC grades are different. There's a CGC grade, and then there's anyone else's grade; yours, mine, anyone's. As long as they are the only reputable 3rd party grader, their grade is the closest thing there is to a "real grade" that you can get. So, that info means more than other points about a comic's history.

 

In some cases I disagree. I'm not saying CGC cannot grade or they lack credibility, however their opinion of a grade is just that, an opinion. I'd put Flaming Telepath's or Bob Storms' grading up against theirs any day.

It's not really even about how well they grade. They're just the current industry standard. I'd take FT's grades over CGC's too, but he's not the industry standard. I've never dealt with Bob Storms I think (is that Blazing Bob?).

[oakman29]

I saw this from a thread about ROBOJO and I cut and pasted it below. Please note this post is specifically about this comment....

 

"He may now be screwing people less than he used to BUT he is without question still screwing people

 

In my case, before i found the boards, i bought a raw X-men 2 from him back in October. It was advertised as a 9.2-9.4. Of course, when i got it slabbed, it came back a 8.0.

 

I started a thread about it in the "silver" forum and boardies started linking other X-men 2's that i could possibly buy as a replacement. Turns out that one of those links was the book i bought from him. Danny bought a slabbed 8.5 X-men 2 from WW comics back in April, cracked it out of the slab and then sold it on eBay to me as a 9.2-9.4."

 

I have cracked books out before and sold them because I personally did not agree with the grade. Does that make me comic scum?

 

Also, most dealers I have dealt with usually grade their raw stuff anywhere from .5 to 1.5 points higher than CGC.-sometimes 2 points higher!! Some dealers do it deliberate. Robojo is cracking open slabs yet some dealers AREN'T slabbing cause they know the grade will be lowered than what they advertise.

Why should these dealers be treated any different than ROBOJO?

 

Yes! You should disclose what CGC graded the book as,or you are deceiving the buyer.

 

Why?

Does this apply only to slabbed books or are you supposed to disclose the entire ownership of the comic when you are selling it?

Seems like this conversation happens about every 6 months. The reason is that CGC grades are different. There's a CGC grade, and then there's anyone else's grade; yours, mine, anyone's. As long as they are the only reputable 3rd party grader, their grade is the closest thing there is to a "real grade" that you can get. So, that info means more than other points about a comic's history.

 

In some cases I disagree. I'm not saying CGC cannot grade or they lack credibility, however their opinion of a grade is just that, an opinion. I'd put Flaming Telepath's or Bob Storms' grading up against theirs any day.

I would too,but would you trust Dupcaks,or TrippyMcSkippey's here.No.

[Jeffro.]

I've never dealt with Bob Storms I think (is that Blazing Bob?).

 

Yes

[Jeffro.]

I would too,but would you trust Dupcaks,or TrippyMcSkippey's here.No.

 

You'd have better luck trying to convince me that the cube steak you just set before me is filet mignon.

[sufunk]

I saw this from a thread about ROBOJO and I cut and pasted it below. Please note this post is specifically about this comment....

 

"He may now be screwing people less than he used to BUT he is without question still screwing people

 

In my case, before i found the boards, i bought a raw X-men 2 from him back in October. It was advertised as a 9.2-9.4. Of course, when i got it slabbed, it came back a 8.0.

 

I started a thread about it in the "silver" forum and boardies started linking other X-men 2's that i could possibly buy as a replacement. Turns out that one of those links was the book i bought from him. Danny bought a slabbed 8.5 X-men 2 from WW comics back in April, cracked it out of the slab and then sold it on eBay to me as a 9.2-9.4."

 

I have cracked books out before and sold them because I personally did not agree with the grade. Does that make me comic scum?

 

Also, most dealers I have dealt with usually grade their raw stuff anywhere from .5 to 1.5 points higher than CGC.-sometimes 2 points higher!! Some dealers do it deliberate. Robojo is cracking open slabs yet some dealers AREN'T slabbing cause they know the grade will be lowered than what they advertise.

Why should these dealers be treated any different than ROBOJO?

 

Yes! You should disclose what CGC graded the book as,or you are deceiving the buyer.

 

Why?

Does this apply only to slabbed books or are you supposed to disclose the entire ownership of the comic when you are selling it?

Seems like this conversation happens about every 6 months. The reason is that CGC grades are different. There's a CGC grade, and then there's anyone else's grade; yours, mine, anyone's. As long as they are the only reputable 3rd party grader, their grade is the closest thing there is to a "real grade" that you can get. So, that info means more than other points about a comic's history.

 

+1

 

 

[oakman29]

I would too,but would you trust Dupcaks,or TrippyMcSkippey's here.No.

 

You'd have better luck trying to convince me that the cube steak you just set before me is filet mignon.

[Crows]

I think any seller doing this sort of thing should just try to think first "If I bought a book and found out this was done, how would I feel ?" ie. Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.

But in the real world, thats not how it is, so people need to educate themselves.

 

[Flaming_Telepath]

I've sold a load of unslabbed CGC books and always disclosed what CGC graded them at...actually, there's a ton of them currently on the site.

 

However, I've never graded a book higher than CGC have and find many of them are actually lower.

[Speedy-D]

I've sold a load of unslabbed CGC books and always disclosed what CGC graded them at...actually, there's a ton of them currently on the site.

 

However, I've never graded a book higher than CGC have and find many of them are actually lower.

Thus the love of an FT grade!

[shadroch]

I saw this from a thread about ROBOJO and I cut and pasted it below. Please note this post is specifically about this comment....

 

"He may now be screwing people less than he used to BUT he is without question still screwing people

 

In my case, before i found the boards, i bought a raw X-men 2 from him back in October. It was advertised as a 9.2-9.4. Of course, when i got it slabbed, it came back a 8.0.

 

I started a thread about it in the "silver" forum and boardies started linking other X-men 2's that i could possibly buy as a replacement. Turns out that one of those links was the book i bought from him. Danny bought a slabbed 8.5 X-men 2 from WW comics back in April, cracked it out of the slab and then sold it on eBay to me as a 9.2-9.4."

 

I have cracked books out before and sold them because I personally did not agree with the grade. Does that make me comic scum?

 

Also, most dealers I have dealt with usually grade their raw stuff anywhere from .5 to 1.5 points higher than CGC.-sometimes 2 points higher!! Some dealers do it deliberate. Robojo is cracking open slabs yet some dealers AREN'T slabbing cause they know the grade will be lowered than what they advertise.

Why should these dealers be treated any different than ROBOJO?

 

Yes! You should disclose what CGC graded the book as,or you are deceiving the buyer.

 

Why?

Does this apply only to slabbed books or are you supposed to disclose the entire ownership of the comic when you are selling it?

Seems like this conversation happens about every 6 months. The reason is that CGC grades are different. There's a CGC grade, and then there's anyone else's grade; yours, mine, anyone's. As long as they are the only reputable 3rd party grader, their grade is the closest thing there is to a "real grade" that you can get. So, that info means more than other points about a comic's history.

 

In some cases I disagree. I'm not saying CGC cannot grade or they lack credibility, however their opinion of a grade is just that, an opinion. I'd put Flaming Telepath's or Bob Storms' grading up against theirs any day.

I would too,but would you trust Dupcaks,or TrippyMcSkippey's here.No.

 

 

Again, you are missing the point. Why trust anyone but yourself. What matters is what you think of the book. Not the seller, not the previous owner, not a third party grading company who looked at the book in the past. If the seller tries to sell you a book he calls 9.8, but you call a 7.0, does it really matter if you think the price being asked is fair?

[Speedy-D]

I saw this from a thread about ROBOJO and I cut and pasted it below. Please note this post is specifically about this comment....

 

"He may now be screwing people less than he used to BUT he is without question still screwing people

 

In my case, before i found the boards, i bought a raw X-men 2 from him back in October. It was advertised as a 9.2-9.4. Of course, when i got it slabbed, it came back a 8.0.

 

I started a thread about it in the "silver" forum and boardies started linking other X-men 2's that i could possibly buy as a replacement. Turns out that one of those links was the book i bought from him. Danny bought a slabbed 8.5 X-men 2 from WW comics back in April, cracked it out of the slab and then sold it on eBay to me as a 9.2-9.4."

 

I have cracked books out before and sold them because I personally did not agree with the grade. Does that make me comic scum?

 

Also, most dealers I have dealt with usually grade their raw stuff anywhere from .5 to 1.5 points higher than CGC.-sometimes 2 points higher!! Some dealers do it deliberate. Robojo is cracking open slabs yet some dealers AREN'T slabbing cause they know the grade will be lowered than what they advertise.

Why should these dealers be treated any different than ROBOJO?

 

Yes! You should disclose what CGC graded the book as,or you are deceiving the buyer.

 

Why?

Does this apply only to slabbed books or are you supposed to disclose the entire ownership of the comic when you are selling it?

Seems like this conversation happens about every 6 months. The reason is that CGC grades are different. There's a CGC grade, and then there's anyone else's grade; yours, mine, anyone's. As long as they are the only reputable 3rd party grader, their grade is the closest thing there is to a "real grade" that you can get. So, that info means more than other points about a comic's history.

 

In some cases I disagree. I'm not saying CGC cannot grade or they lack credibility, however their opinion of a grade is just that, an opinion. I'd put Flaming Telepath's or Bob Storms' grading up against theirs any day.

I would too,but would you trust Dupcaks,or TrippyMcSkippey's here.No.

 

 

Again, you are missing the point. Why trust anyone but yourself. What matters is what you think of the book. Not the seller, not the previous owner, not a third party grading company who looked at the book in the past. If the seller tries to sell you a book he calls 9.8, but you call a 7.0, does it really matter if you think the price being asked is fair?

The CGC grade matters if you're considering the fact that the comic may enter the marketplace again, this time with you as the seller. In that case, the CGC grade is king, like it or not.

[oakman29]

I've sold a load of unslabbed CGC books and always disclosed what CGC graded them at...actually, there's a ton of them currently on the site.

 

However, I've never graded a book higher than CGC have and find many of them are actually lower.

FT your reputation is impeccable,and certainly always above board.I just can't understand for the life of me why if somebody had information on a book,or history of CGC's grade why they wouldn't disclose.I find it amazing that after everything that has held true to Dupcak intentions and involvement that someone would be that so idiotic as to post a thread such as this.