roastedbagel Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Andy, publishers don't care about the secondary market. Bedlam No. 1 is a sellout as are all of the variants, Deadpool No. 1 is a sellout, Bedlam No. 2 will sell out as will the variants. I haven't read Great Pacific, but if its as good a book as others indicate then it is going to sell out. Larry's program is not going to fail nor is it going to interfere with the sales of the regular covers. Clearly you're upset that the 50 or so copies of the regular Bedlam cover you purchased haven't appreciated in value as you had hoped. Don't worry, they will. The print run is not going to be as substantial as Larry predicts. Personally, I don't like it when a publisher permits variants covers for conventions, regional variants, etc. I think it sucks for people like me who aren't aware that this happening and order a bunch of copies of the regular cover. But when the covers are as beautiful as the Forbidden Planet, Third Eye and Phantom variants - I don't mind nearly as much. Yes I prefer for their not to be so many variants. Yes I think its bad for new readers who are discouraged by this kind of thing and many, like yourself, perceive it as a cash grab. But don't hate the player. Hate the game. There is nothing wrong with the retailers who do this and I personally appreciate that the Phantom variant program shows a substantial investment in the book by supporting and promoting it for 6 issues. Yes, I think the program would be more successful if the Phantom variant program created a database that permitted each person to buy two NM copies of each Phantom variant for cover price (2.99 or 3.99 or even 4.99 each), but that's not what Larry and his group of retailers decided to do. Yes it sucks that guys like you who live in another country have to spend top dollar to get these variants and to a less extend it stinks that guys like me can't pick up these books at a reasonable price beceause we don't live in the vicinity of one of the participating retailers. I hope that this changes. It is not going to change because of your rude comments just like these variants (and other variants) aren't going to spontaneously going to become worthless because you bad mouth them. Remember that you attract more with kindness than with rudeness. You should try it. In the case of Bedlam, the Third Eye, Detroit and Forbidden Planet variants are going to be bigger dollar books than the regular cover just like the NYCC and NYCC sketch is going to demand a bigger dollar amount than the regular cover. But people like books that are distributed by the publisher. Take a look at Thief of Theives with it's print run of nearly 20K for the regular issue in comparison to the ICE variant and Comicspro variants if you need empirical evidence. That being said, those variant covers aren't worthless or undesirable. Try and be positive about all the good this program is doing for the artists who are getting exposure and for the creators who are making some extra cash on these books. Please don't obsess about the downside of the program simply because you purchased a boat load of the regular cover. Have some faith in the title that you apparently enjoy, invested in, etc. It's a good book and good work is rewarded by fans on the retailer market and on the secondary market. Please don't be such a Debbie Downer when it comes to these books. The cover to Bedlam No. 2 is simply amazing and may never have been made but for this program. Similarly, I'm thrilled that Charles P, Wilson III got some well deserved exposure and I'm happy that Larry is going to continue to give some well deserved exposure to great artists. Here's hoping that 25% of the people who purchased one or more of Wilson's variant covers went out an ordered a Stuff of Legend trade. As hard as it is, try and look on the bright side. There is a lot of upside to the Phantom variant program. Finally, there's no reason that you or anyone else needs to buy every variant let alone multiple copies of every variant. If you don't want a particular variant,, then don't buy it. There's no requirement that you do. If you want them all, then maybe you can get lucky and find a cool boardie who lives by one of the participating stores to pick you up a cover or a few copies of the Phantom variant covers at their cost. I know I wish I had already been able to do so, but you seem to get along well with the 5 or 6 people who vocally bad mouth me. Maybe one of them will do it for you. I guess what I'm saying is that I wish you would support what people do on the board to help creators, support the success of other board members, etc. After all, it's not a zero sum game. Just because the Phantom and Ghost variant projects are making money doesn't mean that its coming out of your pocket. Believe me there's a lot of fans and a lot of disposable income to go around. Give credit when it is due and wish people the best. I certainly wish you and others who say nasty about me the best because that's the right thing to do. I think if you start doing that that people will do their best. So that's my long winded opinion and you can take it for what it's worth, but please give it some thought before you summarily reject it. . Didn't read this, can someone give me cliff notes? All I saw was this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsJustRyan Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I love funny book drama. - me too... me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsJustRyan Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I didn't read that either Bagel But, I saw the concert this summer... A may zing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozad Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I don't know what this thread is about - but it is funny. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I like pie Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 cliff notes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grover96 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Andy, publishers don't care about the secondary market. Bedlam No. 1 is a sellout as are all of the variants, Deadpool No. 1 is a sellout, Bedlam No. 2 will sell out as will the variants. I haven't read Great Pacific, but if its as good a book as others indicate then it is going to sell out. Larry's program is not going to fail nor is it going to interfere with the sales of the regular covers. Clearly you're upset that the 50 or so copies of the regular Bedlam cover you purchased haven't appreciated in value as you had hoped. Don't worry, they will. The print run is not going to be as substantial as Larry predicts. Personally, I don't like it when a publisher permits variants covers for conventions, regional variants, etc. I think it sucks for people like me who aren't aware that this happening and order a bunch of copies of the regular cover. But when the covers are as beautiful as the Forbidden Planet, Third Eye and Phantom variants - I don't mind nearly as much. Yes I prefer for their not to be so many variants. Yes I think its bad for new readers who are discouraged by this kind of thing and many, like yourself, perceive it as a cash grab. But don't hate the player. Hate the game. There is nothing wrong with the retailers who do this and I personally appreciate that the Phantom variant program shows a substantial investment in the book by supporting and promoting it for 6 issues. Yes, I think the program would be more successful if the Phantom variant program created a database that permitted each person to buy two NM copies of each Phantom variant for cover price (2.99 or 3.99 or even 4.99 each), but that's not what Larry and his group of retailers decided to do. Yes it sucks that guys like you who live in another country have to spend top dollar to get these variants and to a less extend it stinks that guys like me can't pick up these books at a reasonable price beceause we don't live in the vicinity of one of the participating retailers. I hope that this changes. It is not going to change because of your rude comments just like these variants (and other variants) aren't going to spontaneously going to become worthless because you bad mouth them. Remember that you attract more with kindness than with rudeness. You should try it. In the case of Bedlam, the Third Eye, Detroit and Forbidden Planet variants are going to be bigger dollar books than the regular cover just like the NYCC and NYCC sketch is going to demand a bigger dollar amount than the regular cover. But people like books that are distributed by the publisher. Take a look at Thief of Theives with it's print run of nearly 20K for the regular issue in comparison to the ICE variant and Comicspro variants if you need empirical evidence. That being said, those variant covers aren't worthless or undesirable. Try and be positive about all the good this program is doing for the artists who are getting exposure and for the creators who are making some extra cash on these books. Please don't obsess about the downside of the program simply because you purchased a boat load of the regular cover. Have some faith in the title that you apparently enjoy, invested in, etc. It's a good book and good work is rewarded by fans on the retailer market and on the secondary market. Please don't be such a Debbie Downer when it comes to these books. The cover to Bedlam No. 2 is simply amazing and may never have been made but for this program. Similarly, I'm thrilled that Charles P, Wilson III got some well deserved exposure and I'm happy that Larry is going to continue to give some well deserved exposure to great artists. Here's hoping that 25% of the people who purchased one or more of Wilson's variant covers went out an ordered a Stuff of Legend trade. As hard as it is, try and look on the bright side. There is a lot of upside to the Phantom variant program. Finally, there's no reason that you or anyone else needs to buy every variant let alone multiple copies of every variant. If you don't want a particular variant,, then don't buy it. There's no requirement that you do. If you want them all, then maybe you can get lucky and find a cool boardie who lives by one of the participating stores to pick you up a cover or a few copies of the Phantom variant covers at their cost. I know I wish I had already been able to do so, but you seem to get along well with the 5 or 6 people who vocally bad mouth me. Maybe one of them will do it for you. I guess what I'm saying is that I wish you would support what people do on the board to help creators, support the success of other board members, etc. After all, it's not a zero sum game. Just because the Phantom and Ghost variant projects are making money doesn't mean that its coming out of your pocket. Believe me there's a lot of fans and a lot of disposable income to go around. Give credit when it is due and wish people the best. I certainly wish you and others who say nasty about me the best because that's the right thing to do. I think if you start doing that that people will do their best. So that's my long winded opinion and you can take it for what it's worth, but please give it some thought before you summarily reject it. . Didn't read this, can someone give me cliff notes? All I saw was this. Kid won't eat his pudding. Bob Hoskins shows up. Kid (now an adult) shaves off his eyebrows and nipples. Nazis. 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jjeanius Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 cliff notes? That's what I got out of it, too. Who am I kidding? I didn't read it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Testemitanu Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 If I am reading Nico correctly, he is peddling his assertion that it was Bruce Banner on the grassy knoll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugeRosen Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Andy, publishers don't care about the secondary market. Bedlam No. 1 is a sellout as are all of the variants, Deadpool No. 1 is a sellout, Bedlam No. 2 will sell out as will the variants. I haven't read Great Pacific, but if its as good a book as others indicate then it is going to sell out. Larry's program is not going to fail nor is it going to interfere with the sales of the regular covers. Clearly you're upset that the 50 or so copies of the regular Bedlam cover you purchased haven't appreciated in value as you had hoped. Don't worry, they will. The print run is not going to be as substantial as Larry predicts. Personally, I don't like it when a publisher permits variants covers for conventions, regional variants, etc. I think it sucks for people like me who aren't aware that this happening and order a bunch of copies of the regular cover. But when the covers are as beautiful as the Forbidden Planet, Third Eye and Phantom variants - I don't mind nearly as much. Yes I prefer for their not to be so many variants. Yes I think its bad for new readers who are discouraged by this kind of thing and many, like yourself, perceive it as a cash grab. But don't hate the player. Hate the game. There is nothing wrong with the retailers who do this and I personally appreciate that the Phantom variant program shows a substantial investment in the book by supporting and promoting it for 6 issues. Yes, I think the program would be more successful if the Phantom variant program created a database that permitted each person to buy two NM copies of each Phantom variant for cover price (2.99 or 3.99 or even 4.99 each), but that's not what Larry and his group of retailers decided to do. Yes it sucks that guys like you who live in another country have to spend top dollar to get these variants and to a less extend it stinks that guys like me can't pick up these books at a reasonable price beceause we don't live in the vicinity of one of the participating retailers. I hope that this changes. It is not going to change because of your rude comments just like these variants (and other variants) aren't going to spontaneously going to become worthless because you bad mouth them. Remember that you attract more with kindness than with rudeness. You should try it. In the case of Bedlam, the Third Eye, Detroit and Forbidden Planet variants are going to be bigger dollar books than the regular cover just like the NYCC and NYCC sketch is going to demand a bigger dollar amount than the regular cover. But people like books that are distributed by the publisher. Take a look at Thief of Theives with it's print run of nearly 20K for the regular issue in comparison to the ICE variant and Comicspro variants if you need empirical evidence. That being said, those variant covers aren't worthless or undesirable. Try and be positive about all the good this program is doing for the artists who are getting exposure and for the creators who are making some extra cash on these books. Please don't obsess about the downside of the program simply because you purchased a boat load of the regular cover. Have some faith in the title that you apparently enjoy, invested in, etc. It's a good book and good work is rewarded by fans on the retailer market and on the secondary market. Please don't be such a Debbie Downer when it comes to these books. The cover to Bedlam No. 2 is simply amazing and may never have been made but for this program. Similarly, I'm thrilled that Charles P, Wilson III got some well deserved exposure and I'm happy that Larry is going to continue to give some well deserved exposure to great artists. Here's hoping that 25% of the people who purchased one or more of Wilson's variant covers went out an ordered a Stuff of Legend trade. As hard as it is, try and look on the bright side. There is a lot of upside to the Phantom variant program. Finally, there's no reason that you or anyone else needs to buy every variant let alone multiple copies of every variant. If you don't want a particular variant,, then don't buy it. There's no requirement that you do. If you want them all, then maybe you can get lucky and find a cool boardie who lives by one of the participating stores to pick you up a cover or a few copies of the Phantom variant covers at their cost. I know I wish I had already been able to do so, but you seem to get along well with the 5 or 6 people who vocally bad mouth me. Maybe one of them will do it for you. I guess what I'm saying is that I wish you would support what people do on the board to help creators, support the success of other board members, etc. After all, it's not a zero sum game. Just because the Phantom and Ghost variant projects are making money doesn't mean that its coming out of your pocket. Believe me there's a lot of fans and a lot of disposable income to go around. Give credit when it is due and wish people the best. I certainly wish you and others who say nasty about me the best because that's the right thing to do. I think if you start doing that that people will do their best. So that's my long winded opinion and you can take it for what it's worth, but please give it some thought before you summarily reject it. . par·a·graph/ˈparəˌgraf/Noun: A distinct section of a piece of writing, usually dealing with a single theme and indicated by a new line, indentation, or numbering. Verb: Arrange (a piece of writing) in paragraphs. 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Solar Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 sdfasdkfjqsdfkl;jasdklfjasklfjasdkl;fjakl;fasdfjklasdfjkljkl;sdffjkljklsdfjkl;sdfjkl;asdfjkl;dfjklsdfjklasdfjkljkl;asdf Protip: No one wants to read a 1000 word message board rant, especially one without paragraphs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeanius Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) sdfasdkfjqsdfkl;jasdklfjasklfjasdkl;fjakl;fasdfjklasdfjkljkl;sdffjkljklsdfjkl;sdfjkl;asdfjkl;dfjklsdfjklasdfjkljkl;asdf Protip: No one wants to read a 1000 word message board rant, especially one without paragraphs. +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Edited November 9, 2012 by jjeanius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanfingh Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 How can this much drama and butthurt be related to a book that doesn't even have 3 months under its belt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeanius Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 How can this much drama and butthurt be related to a book that doesn't even have 3 months under its belt? IT'S BEDLAM, I TELL YOU!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awax Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 You know what would make this place If Jeff (cya,branget) would show up for a while. This place would go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VEI Reborn Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 sdfasdkfjqsdfkl;jasdklfjasklfjasdkl;fjakl;fasdfjklasdfjkljkl;sdffjkljklsdfjkl;sdfjkl;asdfjkl;dfjklsdfjklasdfjkljkl;asdf Protip: No one wants to read a 1000 word message board rant, especially one without paragraphs. To be honest, if your post had 2 more words I wouldnt have made it through it let alone that novel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsJustRyan Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 par·a·graph/ˈparəˌgraf/Noun: A distinct section of a piece of writing, usually dealing with a single theme and indicated by a new line, indentation, or numbering. Verb: Arrange (a piece of writing) in paragraphs. Synonyms: section - article - clause - item Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roastedbagel Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 sdfasdkfjqsdfkl;jasdklfjasklfjasdkl;fjakl;fasdfjklasdfjkljkl;sdffjkljklsdfjkl;sdfjkl;asdfjkl;dfjklsdfjklasdfjkljkl;asdf Protip: No one wants to read a 1000 word message board rant, especially one without paragraphs. +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Fixed it for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKB Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 >>To be clear - again I have had this convo with King Larry before<< To be clear -I have NEVER spoken to Andy70 in my life. Seriously.. Oh you fibber - you don't recall the PM when I asked you to stop flogging your stuff - and I quote...."some people are spending a weeks pay on your phantoms". You replied with an order form for more. Also - NYCC variants GP variants Never had a convo? Snake oil slick,snake oil.. So, you seem to be confirming that you never have spoken to Larry, just like he said, while at the same time calling him a liar. Funny how that goes. "Spoken to" != "traded PMs with" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeanius Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 sdfasdkfjqsdfkl;jasdklfjasklfjasdkl;fjakl;fasdfjklasdfjkljkl;sdffjkljklsdfjkl;sdfjkl;asdfjkl;dfjklsdfjklasdfjkljkl;asdf Protip: No one wants to read a 1000 word message board rant, especially one without paragraphs. +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Fixed it for you (thumbs u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastballspecial Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) I enjoy this thread so much. Before the book was released (early digital) I ordered a NYCC from Dre. At that time I was thinking about trying to go after it all (OA and all the variants) to make some money with the rationale that maybe I would get lucky like I did with Revival... Then I read the issue and didn't like it. I thought maybe I should still get everything, but then realized that there are other books to buy and invest in. People don't have to buy variants, they choose to. Wow we are agreement on this one. Heck I almost didnt even finish the book after the first few pages. I think the best they can hope for is to have Chew like following the only difference is its print run is higher and it has a ton of variants. Make sure some of you read that last sentence more then once please. Though currently I have no problem selling out of the 3 eyes, FPs, and the regular issue. This is one time I can make a few bucks of a few books and really feel like I didnt sell anything special. It is selling very well lately I cant even keep a book on ebay a few hours before someone BINS it. Edited November 9, 2012 by Fastballspecial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
