When will/will the WALKING DEAD bubble burst? 7 7

[MostAwesomeComics]

I always liked Hiro.

[MostAwesomeComics]

True Blood is a popular show with memorable characters (ahem, lafayette), what are those comics worth?

 

Besides when Shiva appears on the small screen this book is going to soar.

[BarryAllen]

Sure, Hiro season 1-2 was cool and Sylar pre-last episodes of season 3 was great.

 

Don't miss the forest for the trees. What if you asked ten random 4th graders, would they know who Sylar is? What if you ask the same question about Luke Skywalker or Leonardo/Rafael/Michaelangelo/Donatello?

 

Same questions to a group of 60+ retires?

[BarryAllen]

True Blood is a popular show with memorable characters (ahem, lafayette), what are those comics worth?

 

Besides when Shiva appears on the small screen this book is going to soar.

 

You are proving my point that you can't just pick one attribute and use it as the sole success criteria.

 

Long term valuable books combine great characters that appeal to multiple generations/peoples with a demand that exceeds supply.

 

 

There are hundreds of examples that only meet a portion of the requirements.

[mysterio]

Just throwing this out there...

 

Heroes on NBC had higher ratings than The Walking Dead.

 

In 2008, CGC 9.8 copies of Heroes #1 (9th Wonders) Wizard World Con 2006 sold for $200+ with a high of $399.

The CGC census for all Heroes books in all grades combined is lower than Walking Dead #1 in CGC 9.8.

 

The most recent sale was $69.

 

Heroes was a mini series comic book though and the comic was based on the TV show not the other way around. I don't think thats a great comparison.

 

The point is valid...

 

Heroes had higher AVERAGE ratings than Walking Dead.

Heroes featured comic books IN the show... most Walking Dead viewers don't even know it IS a comic.

 

People got tired of Heroes.

 

The show was cancelled.

 

The comics plummeted.

 

Walking Dead #1 won't ever be $69, but it cannot sustain its current popularity.

 

When popularity falls, prices fall.

 

People could easily lose half their investment. In this case, that's four figures.

 

Agreed, best applicable example presented so far.

 

 

Generally I agree with this, but some TV related books are stubborn, especially if the show has cult status ( which I don't doubt TWD will). Look at Mystery Tales #40, which still fetches ridiculous prices, even in low grade because it was featured on Lost, and Catwoman 51 still gets relatively high dollars, even in advertised less than nm raw because it featured numbers from the show on the cover. Eventually the prices will drop, but the show ended three years ago.

 

Try to find a copy of Mystery Tales #39 or #41, or any other book from the title. They aren't easy to begin with, and add a little hype and prices can shoot up. See TTA #13 for a recent example of a book that is reasonably tough that currently has hype stacked on top. If the Mystery Tales book wasn't super tough to begin with I doubt that the price would be holding, but such small supply can buoy prices even with relatively slight demand.

[BarryAllen]

Just throwing this out there...

 

Heroes on NBC had higher ratings than The Walking Dead.

 

In 2008, CGC 9.8 copies of Heroes #1 (9th Wonders) Wizard World Con 2006 sold for $200+ with a high of $399.

The CGC census for all Heroes books in all grades combined is lower than Walking Dead #1 in CGC 9.8.

 

The most recent sale was $69.

 

Heroes was a mini series comic book though and the comic was based on the TV show not the other way around. I don't think thats a great comparison.

 

The point is valid...

 

Heroes had higher AVERAGE ratings than Walking Dead.

Heroes featured comic books IN the show... most Walking Dead viewers don't even know it IS a comic.

 

People got tired of Heroes.

 

The show was cancelled.

 

The comics plummeted.

 

Walking Dead #1 won't ever be $69, but it cannot sustain its current popularity.

 

When popularity falls, prices fall.

 

People could easily lose half their investment. In this case, that's four figures.

 

Agreed, best applicable example presented so far.

 

 

Generally I agree with this, but some TV related books are stubborn, especially if the show has cult status ( which I don't doubt TWD will). Look at Mystery Tales #40, which still fetches ridiculous prices, even in low grade because it was featured on Lost, and Catwoman 51 still gets relatively high dollars, even in advertised less than nm raw because it featured numbers from the show on the cover. Eventually the prices will drop, but the show ended three years ago.

 

Try to find a copy of Mystery Tales #39 or #41, or any other book from the title. They aren't easy to begin with, and add a little hype and prices can shoot up. See TTA #13 for a recent example of a book that is reasonably tough that currently has hype stacked on top. If the Mystery Tales book wasn't super tough to begin with I doubt that the price would be holding, but such small supply can buoy prices even with relatively slight demand.

 

+1

[rjpb]

Just throwing this out there...

 

Heroes on NBC had higher ratings than The Walking Dead.

 

In 2008, CGC 9.8 copies of Heroes #1 (9th Wonders) Wizard World Con 2006 sold for $200+ with a high of $399.

The CGC census for all Heroes books in all grades combined is lower than Walking Dead #1 in CGC 9.8.

 

The most recent sale was $69.

 

Heroes was a mini series comic book though and the comic was based on the TV show not the other way around. I don't think thats a great comparison.

 

The point is valid...

 

Heroes had higher AVERAGE ratings than Walking Dead.

Heroes featured comic books IN the show... most Walking Dead viewers don't even know it IS a comic.

 

People got tired of Heroes.

 

The show was cancelled.

 

The comics plummeted.

 

Walking Dead #1 won't ever be $69, but it cannot sustain its current popularity.

 

When popularity falls, prices fall.

 

People could easily lose half their investment. In this case, that's four figures.

 

Agreed, best applicable example presented so far.

 

 

Generally I agree with this, but some TV related books are stubborn, especially if the show has cult status ( which I don't doubt TWD will). Look at Mystery Tales #40, which still fetches ridiculous prices, even in low grade because it was featured on Lost, and Catwoman 51 still gets relatively high dollars, even in advertised less than nm raw because it featured numbers from the show on the cover. Eventually the prices will drop, but the show ended three years ago.

 

 

While it is apparent that the speed which a comic falls from grace is not always equivalent to its meteoritic rise, I am not sure your examples are a good representation of "holding value."

 

 

I know these were relevant to the show, but there is almost no GPA data on them... How popular can they be with so few recorded electronic sales? Where have you seen recent sales?

 

Many times prices on these books linger for years while people try to recoup as much of their loss as possible, even though actual market sales pale in comparison. This is most easily seen with dealers at cons, web-sites and other low overhead retailers will hold on to them try to sell them for more than they are worth claiming "rare" or citing previous values (insert groan here).

 

However, I could be wrong about these two books...

 

GPA is only partially relevant, and then mainly with high grade, high dollar books. Mystery Tales #40 is probably sold raw more frequently than slabbed, with a raw FN selling recently on ebay for $4000, and if I recall correctly a raw low grade copy selling for over a grand a few months ago. Being a 1956 book there aren't a lot of copies around, and due to a couple deep pocket hoarders, the entire run sells for more than you would think, but these prices are about 4 - 5 times what surrounding issues might go for. Catwoman 51, while plentiful, is probably not worth slabbing in less than 9.6, maybe 9.4. Raw copies listed as vf/nm sell for around $40 frequently, as compared to maybe a buck or two for surrounding issues.

[BarryAllen]

Just throwing this out there...

 

Heroes on NBC had higher ratings than The Walking Dead.

 

In 2008, CGC 9.8 copies of Heroes #1 (9th Wonders) Wizard World Con 2006 sold for $200+ with a high of $399.

The CGC census for all Heroes books in all grades combined is lower than Walking Dead #1 in CGC 9.8.

 

The most recent sale was $69.

 

Heroes was a mini series comic book though and the comic was based on the TV show not the other way around. I don't think thats a great comparison.

 

The point is valid...

 

Heroes had higher AVERAGE ratings than Walking Dead.

Heroes featured comic books IN the show... most Walking Dead viewers don't even know it IS a comic.

 

People got tired of Heroes.

 

The show was cancelled.

 

The comics plummeted.

 

Walking Dead #1 won't ever be $69, but it cannot sustain its current popularity.

 

When popularity falls, prices fall.

 

People could easily lose half their investment. In this case, that's four figures.

 

Agreed, best applicable example presented so far.

 

 

Generally I agree with this, but some TV related books are stubborn, especially if the show has cult status ( which I don't doubt TWD will). Look at Mystery Tales #40, which still fetches ridiculous prices, even in low grade because it was featured on Lost, and Catwoman 51 still gets relatively high dollars, even in advertised less than nm raw because it featured numbers from the show on the cover. Eventually the prices will drop, but the show ended three years ago.

 

 

While it is apparent that the speed which a comic falls from grace is not always equivalent to its meteoritic rise, I am not sure your examples are a good representation of "holding value."

 

 

I know these were relevant to the show, but there is almost no GPA data on them... How popular can they be with so few recorded electronic sales? Where have you seen recent sales?

 

Many times prices on these books linger for years while people try to recoup as much of their loss as possible, even though actual market sales pale in comparison. This is most easily seen with dealers at cons, web-sites and other low overhead retailers will hold on to them try to sell them for more than they are worth claiming "rare" or citing previous values (insert groan here).

 

However, I could be wrong about these two books...

 

GPA is only partially relevant, and then mainly with high grade, high dollar books. Mystery Tales #40 is probably sold raw more frequently than slabbed, with a raw FN selling recently on ebay for $4000, and if I recall correctly a raw low grade copy selling for over a grand a few months ago. Being a 1956 book there aren't a lot of copies around, and due to a couple deep pocket hoarders, the entire run sells for more than you would think, but these prices are about 4 - 5 times what surrounding issues might go for. Catwoman 51, while plentiful, is probably not worth slabbing in less than 9.6, maybe 9.4. Raw copies listed as vf/nm sell for around $40 frequently, as compared to maybe a buck or two for surrounding issues.

 

 

Can you provide and image or link showing the eBay sale for the MT40?

 

Side note, based on what you have said and others posted, MT40 was already a collectible book and it really hard very little to do with the Lost "cameo."

 

Cat Woman 51 selling for $24-30 hardly makes it a relevant example even when in comparison to other issues close in number. People can be tricked into spending less than $50 on just about anything and unfortunately that is one thing eBay sellers have gotten good at.

 

[MostAwesomeComics]

True Blood is a popular show with memorable characters (ahem, lafayette), what are those comics worth?

 

Besides when Shiva appears on the small screen this book is going to soar.

 

You are proving my point that you can't just pick one attribute and use it as the sole success criteria.

 

Long term valuable books combine great characters that appeal to multiple generations/peoples with a demand that exceeds supply.

 

 

There are hundreds of examples that only meet a portion of the requirements.

 

With Heroes and True Blood the original source material was a -script. I bet a first print 9.8 episode #1 true blood -script autographed by Alan Ball would be worth a small mint. Whats the print run on scripts...?

[MostAwesomeComics]

Correction, with true blood it was actually novels. The southern vampire mystery series, but yeah maybe a limited edition of the first book signed by Charlaine Harris and maybe even Alan Ball and Anna Paquin might be the premiere collectible for a dire hard true blood fan. A Walking Dead #1 is that for fans of it.

[Aweandlorder]

WD is here to stay forever.

Sure.. The TV show will end at some point and then in 10-20 years a movie will come out.. Price jump again.. Then Danai Gurira will appear in an Xmen movie.. Price jump again.. Then Kirkman will direct a Dark knight movie... Price jump...

 

...Then Jon Bernthal will become president...

 

 

price effin jump like a mofo!!!

 

[rjpb]

Just throwing this out there...

 

Heroes on NBC had higher ratings than The Walking Dead.

 

In 2008, CGC 9.8 copies of Heroes #1 (9th Wonders) Wizard World Con 2006 sold for $200+ with a high of $399.

The CGC census for all Heroes books in all grades combined is lower than Walking Dead #1 in CGC 9.8.

 

The most recent sale was $69.

 

Heroes was a mini series comic book though and the comic was based on the TV show not the other way around. I don't think thats a great comparison.

 

The point is valid...

 

Heroes had higher AVERAGE ratings than Walking Dead.

Heroes featured comic books IN the show... most Walking Dead viewers don't even know it IS a comic.

 

People got tired of Heroes.

 

The show was cancelled.

 

The comics plummeted.

 

Walking Dead #1 won't ever be $69, but it cannot sustain its current popularity.

 

When popularity falls, prices fall.

 

People could easily lose half their investment. In this case, that's four figures.

 

Agreed, best applicable example presented so far.

 

 

Generally I agree with this, but some TV related books are stubborn, especially if the show has cult status ( which I don't doubt TWD will). Look at Mystery Tales #40, which still fetches ridiculous prices, even in low grade because it was featured on Lost, and Catwoman 51 still gets relatively high dollars, even in advertised less than nm raw because it featured numbers from the show on the cover. Eventually the prices will drop, but the show ended three years ago.

 

 

While it is apparent that the speed which a comic falls from grace is not always equivalent to its meteoritic rise, I am not sure your examples are a good representation of "holding value."

 

 

I know these were relevant to the show, but there is almost no GPA data on them... How popular can they be with so few recorded electronic sales? Where have you seen recent sales?

 

Many times prices on these books linger for years while people try to recoup as much of their loss as possible, even though actual market sales pale in comparison. This is most easily seen with dealers at cons, web-sites and other low overhead retailers will hold on to them try to sell them for more than they are worth claiming "rare" or citing previous values (insert groan here).

 

However, I could be wrong about these two books...

 

GPA is only partially relevant, and then mainly with high grade, high dollar books. Mystery Tales #40 is probably sold raw more frequently than slabbed, with a raw FN selling recently on ebay for $4000, and if I recall correctly a raw low grade copy selling for over a grand a few months ago. Being a 1956 book there aren't a lot of copies around, and due to a couple deep pocket hoarders, the entire run sells for more than you would think, but these prices are about 4 - 5 times what surrounding issues might go for. Catwoman 51, while plentiful, is probably not worth slabbing in less than 9.6, maybe 9.4. Raw copies listed as vf/nm sell for around $40 frequently, as compared to maybe a buck or two for surrounding issues.

 

 

Can you provide and image or link showing the eBay sale for the MT40?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mystery-Tales-40-Apr-1956-Marvel-AS-SEEN-ON-LOST-ABC-TV-SHOW-Ditko-/300887449764?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item460e4a20a4

 

Side note, based on what you have said and others posted, MT40 was already a collectible book and it really hard very little to do with the Lost "cameo."

 

 

Collectible yes, but so is every Atlas horror/fantasy book from the 50s, and none of rest are going to sell for that kind of money in raw 6.0. It has everything to do with the Lost connection

 

Cat Woman 51 selling for $24-30 hardly makes it a relevant example even when in comparison to other issues close in number. People can be tricked into spending less than $50 on just about anything and unfortunately that is one thing eBay sellers have gotten good at.

 

Not routinely, please find me another raw Catwoman from the run that has sold for anywhere near that amount. I don't disagree with the basic premise that these books are unlikely to hold their value long term, but you seem extremely dedicated to your denial that their current values have much to do with a TV show that peaked in popularity years ago.

[reptilekingdie]

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Speedy-D]

Demand outstrips demand hence the premium price of TWD #1...

 

You've got tens of thousands of fans (validated by current TWD print runs) that would love to get there hands on a #1.

 

Less than 500 9.8's on the census. Just over 1500 total slabbed. Sure there are raws out there, but who knows the condition and they are not being dropped on the market en mass, but are available.

 

I'd love to see prices come down to $500 for a 9.8, because I'd jump all over it... But I'm not holding my breath.

 

There are, what, like 35 or so copies on ebay at any time? I'm gonna say demand has not outstripped supply.

[ItsJustRyan]

Demand outstrips demand hence the premium price of TWD #1...

 

You've got tens of thousands of fans (validated by current TWD print runs) that would love to get there hands on a #1.

 

Less than 500 9.8's on the census. Just over 1500 total slabbed. Sure there are raws out there, but who knows the condition and they are not being dropped on the market en mass, but are available.

 

I'd love to see prices come down to $500 for a 9.8, because I'd jump all over it... But I'm not holding my breath.

 

There are, what, like 35 or so copies on ebay at any time? I'm gonna say demand has not outstripped supply.

 

Of course it has... That's like saying there are a 1000 houses for sale at the beach. Everyone wants a beach house, hence that demand drives up the price to a level where the seller can maximize asking prices. Just because there's a lot of something doesn't mean the demand is not there. It means the price has reached a point to curtail rapid sell-outs.

 

How many TWD #1 would be on eBay if the price was $100 per?

[aggr1103]

Honestly, how long can the same group of people escape from zombies before it gets boring?

 

That's the beauty of it - its not about zombies. And the group of people continues to grow. New characters springing up as old characters get their brains and eyeballs beat out with baseball bats. And how much time has actually lapsed in the comic since issue 1? Getting awfully close to 10 years of being in print.

 

I think it goes down in history as the seminal book of whatever this age of comics is.

[BarryAllen]

Just throwing this out there...

 

Heroes on NBC had higher ratings than The Walking Dead.

 

In 2008, CGC 9.8 copies of Heroes #1 (9th Wonders) Wizard World Con 2006 sold for $200+ with a high of $399.

The CGC census for all Heroes books in all grades combined is lower than Walking Dead #1 in CGC 9.8.

 

The most recent sale was $69.

 

Heroes was a mini series comic book though and the comic was based on the TV show not the other way around. I don't think thats a great comparison.

 

The point is valid...

 

Heroes had higher AVERAGE ratings than Walking Dead.

Heroes featured comic books IN the show... most Walking Dead viewers don't even know it IS a comic.

 

People got tired of Heroes.

 

The show was cancelled.

 

The comics plummeted.

 

Walking Dead #1 won't ever be $69, but it cannot sustain its current popularity.

 

When popularity falls, prices fall.

 

People could easily lose half their investment. In this case, that's four figures.

 

Agreed, best applicable example presented so far.

 

 

Generally I agree with this, but some TV related books are stubborn, especially if the show has cult status ( which I don't doubt TWD will). Look at Mystery Tales #40, which still fetches ridiculous prices, even in low grade because it was featured on Lost, and Catwoman 51 still gets relatively high dollars, even in advertised less than nm raw because it featured numbers from the show on the cover. Eventually the prices will drop, but the show ended three years ago.

 

 

While it is apparent that the speed which a comic falls from grace is not always equivalent to its meteoritic rise, I am not sure your examples are a good representation of "holding value."

 

 

I know these were relevant to the show, but there is almost no GPA data on them... How popular can they be with so few recorded electronic sales? Where have you seen recent sales?

 

Many times prices on these books linger for years while people try to recoup as much of their loss as possible, even though actual market sales pale in comparison. This is most easily seen with dealers at cons, web-sites and other low overhead retailers will hold on to them try to sell them for more than they are worth claiming "rare" or citing previous values (insert groan here).

 

However, I could be wrong about these two books...

 

GPA is only partially relevant, and then mainly with high grade, high dollar books. Mystery Tales #40 is probably sold raw more frequently than slabbed, with a raw FN selling recently on ebay for $4000, and if I recall correctly a raw low grade copy selling for over a grand a few months ago. Being a 1956 book there aren't a lot of copies around, and due to a couple deep pocket hoarders, the entire run sells for more than you would think, but these prices are about 4 - 5 times what surrounding issues might go for. Catwoman 51, while plentiful, is probably not worth slabbing in less than 9.6, maybe 9.4. Raw copies listed as vf/nm sell for around $40 frequently, as compared to maybe a buck or two for surrounding issues.

 

 

Can you provide and image or link showing the eBay sale for the MT40?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mystery-Tales-40-Apr-1956-Marvel-AS-SEEN-ON-LOST-ABC-TV-SHOW-Ditko-/300887449764?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item460e4a20a4

 

Side note, based on what you have said and others posted, MT40 was already a collectible book and it really hard very little to do with the Lost "cameo."

 

 

Collectible yes, but so is every Atlas horror/fantasy book from the 50s, and none of rest are going to sell for that kind of money in raw 6.0. It has everything to do with the Lost connection

 

Cat Woman 51 selling for $24-30 hardly makes it a relevant example even when in comparison to other issues close in number. People can be tricked into spending less than $50 on just about anything and unfortunately that is one thing eBay sellers have gotten good at.

 

Not routinely, please find me another raw Catwoman from the run that has sold for anywhere near that amount. I don't disagree with the basic premise that these books are unlikely to hold their value long term, but you seem extremely dedicated to your denial that their current values have much to do with a TV show that peaked in popularity years ago.

 

 

Thanks for the link on the MT40. Interesting that the same seller listed another copy of the book that did not sell at all a week later. Something is fishy here...

 

There are at least 20 Catwoman 51s sold recently on eBay ranging from $50 down to $12.99 (most under $20)... This book is not rare, not valuable and not in demand.

 

FYI - I am not in denial, you are creating a fictional causal link. The first book was already rare and worth something prior to the show and the second may have been for a minute and now is not.

Edited July 2, 2013 by rfoiii

[mschmidt]

Just throwing this out there...

 

Heroes on NBC had higher ratings than The Walking Dead.

 

In 2008, CGC 9.8 copies of Heroes #1 (9th Wonders) Wizard World Con 2006 sold for $200+ with a high of $399.

The CGC census for all Heroes books in all grades combined is lower than Walking Dead #1 in CGC 9.8.

 

The most recent sale was $69.

 

Heroes was a mini series comic book though and the comic was based on the TV show not the other way around. I don't think thats a great comparison.

 

The point is valid...

 

Heroes had higher AVERAGE ratings than Walking Dead.

Heroes featured comic books IN the show... most Walking Dead viewers don't even know it IS a comic.

 

People got tired of Heroes.

 

The show was cancelled.

 

The comics plummeted.

 

Walking Dead #1 won't ever be $69, but it cannot sustain its current popularity.

 

When popularity falls, prices fall.

 

People could easily lose half their investment. In this case, that's four figures.

 

Agreed, best applicable example presented so far.

 

 

Generally I agree with this, but some TV related books are stubborn, especially if the show has cult status ( which I don't doubt TWD will). Look at Mystery Tales #40, which still fetches ridiculous prices, even in low grade because it was featured on Lost, and Catwoman 51 still gets relatively high dollars, even in advertised less than nm raw because it featured numbers from the show on the cover. Eventually the prices will drop, but the show ended three years ago.

 

 

While it is apparent that the speed which a comic falls from grace is not always equivalent to its meteoritic rise, I am not sure your examples are a good representation of "holding value."

 

 

I know these were relevant to the show, but there is almost no GPA data on them... How popular can they be with so few recorded electronic sales? Where have you seen recent sales?

 

Many times prices on these books linger for years while people try to recoup as much of their loss as possible, even though actual market sales pale in comparison. This is most easily seen with dealers at cons, web-sites and other low overhead retailers will hold on to them try to sell them for more than they are worth claiming "rare" or citing previous values (insert groan here).

 

However, I could be wrong about these two books...

 

GPA is only partially relevant, and then mainly with high grade, high dollar books. Mystery Tales #40 is probably sold raw more frequently than slabbed, with a raw FN selling recently on ebay for $4000, and if I recall correctly a raw low grade copy selling for over a grand a few months ago. Being a 1956 book there aren't a lot of copies around, and due to a couple deep pocket hoarders, the entire run sells for more than you would think, but these prices are about 4 - 5 times what surrounding issues might go for. Catwoman 51, while plentiful, is probably not worth slabbing in less than 9.6, maybe 9.4. Raw copies listed as vf/nm sell for around $40 frequently, as compared to maybe a buck or two for surrounding issues.

 

 

Can you provide and image or link showing the eBay sale for the MT40?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mystery-Tales-40-Apr-1956-Marvel-AS-SEEN-ON-LOST-ABC-TV-SHOW-Ditko-/300887449764?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item460e4a20a4

 

Side note, based on what you have said and others posted, MT40 was already a collectible book and it really hard very little to do with the Lost "cameo."

 

 

Collectible yes, but so is every Atlas horror/fantasy book from the 50s, and none of rest are going to sell for that kind of money in raw 6.0. It has everything to do with the Lost connection

 

Cat Woman 51 selling for $24-30 hardly makes it a relevant example even when in comparison to other issues close in number. People can be tricked into spending less than $50 on just about anything and unfortunately that is one thing eBay sellers have gotten good at.

 

Not routinely, please find me another raw Catwoman from the run that has sold for anywhere near that amount. I don't disagree with the basic premise that these books are unlikely to hold their value long term, but you seem extremely dedicated to your denial that their current values have much to do with a TV show that peaked in popularity years ago.

 

 

Thanks for the link on the MT40. Interesting that the same seller listed another copy of the book that did not sell at all a week later. Something is fishy here...

 

There are at least 20 Catwoman 51s sold recently on eBay ranging from $50 down to $12.99 (most under $20)... This book is not rare, not valuable and not in demand.

 

FYI - I am not in denial, you are creating a fictional causal link. The first book was already rare and worth something prior to the show and the second may have been for a minute and now is not.

 

The seller didn't list another copy - he listed the same copy due to a non paying bidder (he says so right in the auction description). The $4,000 sale wasn't legit.

[BarryAllen]

Demand outstrips demand hence the premium price of TWD #1...

 

You've got tens of thousands of fans (validated by current TWD print runs) that would love to get there hands on a #1.

 

Less than 500 9.8's on the census. Just over 1500 total slabbed. Sure there are raws out there, but who knows the condition and they are not being dropped on the market en mass, but are available.

 

I'd love to see prices come down to $500 for a 9.8, because I'd jump all over it... But I'm not holding my breath.

 

There are, what, like 35 or so copies on ebay at any time? I'm gonna say demand has not outstripped supply.

 

Of course it has... That's like saying there are a 1000 houses for sale at the beach. Everyone wants a beach house, hence that demand drives up the price to a level where the seller can maximize asking prices. Just because there's a lot of something doesn't mean the demand is not there. It means the price has reached a point to curtail rapid sell-outs.

 

How many TWD #1 would be on eBay if the price was $100 per?

 

Again, that is a logical fallacy. You can't pick another scenario and use it as a metaphor just because you like the point it proves. The situations are completely unrelated and stem from very different criteria. For instance: you cannot say that housing supply (necessary for human life) is the same as WD1 supply (NOT necessary for human life). Therefore the market dynamics are not the same, regardless of an economic supply and demand principle..

 

When 35 WD1 are on eBay at any given time and dozens of them remain unsold from month to month, that means that supply is outpacing demand. It doesn't necessarily mean the bubble has burst yet, or growth still isn't happening; but it does mean that the growth curve has slowed significantly.

 

 

 

The whole point of this thread is to predict when the bubble will burst, but I have not seen anyone provide any evidence that it will not.

[BarryAllen]

The seller didn't list another copy - he listed the same copy due to a non paying bidder (he says so right in the auction description). The $4,000 sale wasn't legit.

 

Yeah I caught that, but left it out in a poor attempt to prove a point.

 

Thank you though!

Edited July 2, 2013 by rfoiii