Zen and the art of moderation 2 2

[RockMyAmadeus]

Despite the fact that, since January of 2012, for reasons that remain my own, I've made...perhaps...50 posts that actually said much of anything at all.

 

Wasn't that a protest against the inadequate ignore feature?

 

With very, VERY few exceptions, I have argued with no one, debated with no one, sparred with no one, "gotten the last word" with no one, let anyone and everyone say whatever they wished to and about me, with my sole response being limited to emoticons, links, and memes...by choice...so that no one would be able to say "well, RMA, you just have to argue with everyone, don't you?" Because the answer is clearly no.

 

The issue, then, is not me. Strikes still come, people still get angry, people still fight. The issue isn't me, and it isn't any individual. It is the undercurrent of hostility that ebbs and flows throughout this board. No one person, or even group of people, can be held responsible for that undercurrent. It is a problem that is, however, completely under the control of the moderation team, because only the moderation team has the ability to control the general tone of this environment in a broad way.

 

And they're simply not doing that job.

[LetThereBeComics-migration]

Despite the fact that, since January of 2012, for reasons that remain my own, I've made...perhaps...50 posts that actually said much of anything at all.

 

Wasn't that a protest against the inadequate ignore feature?

 

15%

 

Gotcha (thumbs u

[Sal]

If you're going to respond again, RMA, turn the volume on the outrage down. It's not constructive.

 

 

You seem to have great difficulty in determining the difference between "outrage" and someone forthrightly disagreeing with your assessment of the situation.

 

You do, however, have a very easy time with threatening people. After all..."non constructive" conversation (with what is, and what is not, constructive of course being up to you) is a violation of policy, and a strikable offense.

 

I really wish you, and whomever it is that is contracted to do this work for the Certified Collectibles Group, would move on to some other company already and let someone else take your place. You really don't seem to be able to handle it when people take issue with the way you do your job.

 

I do hope that wasn't too "outrageous" for you.

 

(thumbs u

 

I respect your opinion, but as an unbiased observer...I completely disagree. I had the exact same reaction as Arch when reading your post; my view about your argumentative style is that you deliberately choose to use quite a bit of inflammatory language. Perhaps you do so for emphasis; I don't know. I think you, like most of us, has a real hard time being criticised. I mean, the eyeroll at the start of your post is just about as perfect an example of what he's talking about, short of a graemlin that's giving the finger.

 

I'm not saying this to argue with you, or to get into a prolonged parsing of your original post, but rather to give you a perspective from someone who hopefully you know doesn't have any antagonism towards you.

 

 

If you think this should have been done via pm, I apologise. It seems easier this way

 

It was, and is, for emphasis. One is allowed to be unhappy, and express that unhappiness, without someone else reading their unhappiness as inflammatory.

 

Emoticons are used to express emotions. We are not emotionless automatons. I did not "flip the bird" or use any emoticon which could be construed as provocative. It expresses how I think about the situation.

 

And the situation here, despite what Architecht may believe about me and my posting habits personally, is pretty bad, much of the time, in many ways...an opinion shared by very many.

 

But what you're discounting is that your demonstration of your unhappiness at the situation wasn't really necessary to make your point. You're right, it wasn't the worst example, but do you not see that rolling your eyes at someone else's post like that isn't really going to help? I understand your unhappiness, as it is something I share as well, albeit for different reasons.

 

I suspect you are convinced that Arch doesn't like you and that he's speaking down to you from that perspective, so rather than reading his post objectively, you start from there and the whole process circles around and around.

 

At any rate, none of this is my business and I don't want you to think this is the pile on RMA thread. I do hope that you and he can reach an understanding

[Jeffro.]

If you think this should have been done via pm, I apologise. It seems easier this way

That option will no longer be available shortly.

 

 

 

Sounds like a cataclysm. I'm incensed!!!!!

[oakman29]

Am I the only one seeing sane, reasonable, rational RMA?

 

Are the boards so mentally deficient that they can only bleat, "two legs bad, four legs good" regardless of the data that is right in front of their eyes?

 

All of the negatives posted about RMA in this thread (let's stick to this thread for the moment) have been negative "proofs" about an RMA that doesn't really exist anymore.

 

Is RMA perfect? Certainly not. But he is a far cry from the circus fun house mirror that many boardies would have other boardies believe he is.

 

And a far more rational man that deserves better than he's getting.

 

I'm an RMA fan!

[ImageMask]

If you spent as much time talking TO him as you do ABOUT him, you would know that isn't true.

 

I've talked to him numerous times, but I don't continue talking to people who think every discussion is a debate they're uncontrollably compelled to win. I avoid a number of people in most forums for that reason.

 

I've spoken with RMA regarding some things around here twice - it was very reminiscnet of being in a darkened parking garage Phils parking lot, having someone turn on their headlights and talk to me from behind the glare. Very X-Files, but eerily accurate.

 

Fixed.

Edited April 16, 2013 by ImageMask

[thirdgreenham]

This is just a friendly reminder that none of us is the center of the universe.

 

Two things:

 

1) I admire your use of the proper verb tense of 'to be,' following 'none of us' above; a common usage error substitutes 'is' with 'are'.

2) I admire your OP as a superb example of Troll Baiting.

 

I hope you say "I am well", rather than "I am good", when people ask you how you are.

[slym2none]

I abhor you all.

 

 

 

 

-slym

[Shootydog]

Despite the fact that, since January of 2012, for reasons that remain my own, I've made...perhaps...50 posts that actually said much of anything at all.

 

Wasn't that a protest against the inadequate ignore feature?

 

With very, VERY few exceptions, I have argued with no one, debated with no one, sparred with no one, "gotten the last word" with no one, let anyone and everyone say whatever they wished to and about me, with my sole response being limited to emoticons, links, and memes...by choice...so that no one would be able to say "well, RMA, you just have to argue with everyone, don't you?" Because the answer is clearly no.

 

The issue, then, is not me. Strikes still come, people still get angry, people still fight. The issue isn't me, and it isn't any individual. It is the undercurrent of hostility that ebbs and flows throughout this board. No one person, or even group of people, can be held responsible for that undercurrent. It is a problem that is, however, completely under the control of the moderation team, because only the moderation team has the ability to control the general tone of this environment in a broad way.

 

And they're simply not doing that job.

 

So is the problem one of favoritism or inconsistency due to lack of resources? I see where your coming from and I agree that moderation of the forums lacks cohesion. My fear is that it becomes heavy handed to address the problem and there will be casualties.

 

[ImageMask]

Am I the only one seeing sane, reasonable, rational RMA?

 

Are the boards so mentally deficient that they can only bleat, "two legs bad, four legs good" regardless of the data that is right in front of their eyes?

 

All of the negatives posted about RMA in this thread (let's stick to this thread for the moment) have been negative "proofs" about an RMA that doesn't really exist anymore.

 

Is RMA perfect? Certainly not. But he is a far cry from the circus fun house mirror that many boardies would have other boardies believe he is.

 

And a far more rational man that deserves better than he's getting.

 

I'm an RMA fan!

 

Same can be said of Cal, yes?

[oakman29]

Am I the only one seeing sane, reasonable, rational RMA?

 

Are the boards so mentally deficient that they can only bleat, "two legs bad, four legs good" regardless of the data that is right in front of their eyes?

 

All of the negatives posted about RMA in this thread (let's stick to this thread for the moment) have been negative "proofs" about an RMA that doesn't really exist anymore.

 

Is RMA perfect? Certainly not. But he is a far cry from the circus fun house mirror that many boardies would have other boardies believe he is.

 

And a far more rational man that deserves better than he's getting.

 

I'm an RMA fan!

 

Same can be said of Cal, yes?

I'm still on the fence with Cal,he can be a little too out there at times.I just try to give people the benefit of a doubt.

[slym2none]

Am I the only one seeing sane, reasonable, rational RMA?

 

Are the boards so mentally deficient that they can only bleat, "two legs bad, four legs good" regardless of the data that is right in front of their eyes?

 

All of the negatives posted about RMA in this thread (let's stick to this thread for the moment) have been negative "proofs" about an RMA that doesn't really exist anymore.

 

Is RMA perfect? Certainly not. But he is a far cry from the circus fun house mirror that many boardies would have other boardies believe he is.

 

And a far more rational man that deserves better than he's getting.

 

I'm an RMA fan!

 

Same can be said of Cal, yes?

 

 

 

 

-slym

[Logan510]

I abhor you all.

 

 

 

 

-slym

 

[gyro-1]

If this is Monday Friday will be a hoot !

[Mr.Diggler]

[Logan510]

 

I'm offended...and hurt...and offended.

 

 

[Mr.Diggler]

 

I'm offended...and hurt...and offended.

 

 

My Monday is looking up.

[slym2none]

*pulls dress tightly around ankles*

 

 

 

-slym

[RockMyAmadeus]

Am I the only one seeing sane, reasonable, rational RMA?

 

Are the boards so mentally deficient that they can only bleat, "two legs bad, four legs good" regardless of the data that is right in front of their eyes?

 

All of the negatives posted about RMA in this thread (let's stick to this thread for the moment) have been negative "proofs" about an RMA that doesn't really exist anymore.

 

Is RMA perfect? Certainly not. But he is a far cry from the circus fun house mirror that many boardies would have other boardies believe he is.

 

And a far more rational man that deserves better than he's getting.

 

Thanks for having my back, OG.

 

But I'd like the focus..positive or negative...not to be on any individual. That's the problem. People around here can't discuss things without making every issue about the people discussing the issue, rather than the issue itself...and it is this problem that eats away at the board, which the moderation team won't address.

 

It's not the boobies, it's not the swear words, it's not the "PG-13" issues that are the problem.

 

It's the toxicity that motivates a person to make threats against someone else, regardless of the reason, the toxicity that jumps all over noobs for the most innocuous questions, the toxicity that inspires people to provoke people they don't like with snide commentary, the toxicity that allows people to openly hate one another instead of trying to resolve differences, or, at worst, not interacting with them at all.

 

That's the problem, that's what the mods, and the mods alone, can control, and that's what is being ignored.

 

But thanks for having my back.

[THE_BEYONDER]

Am I the only one seeing sane, reasonable, rational RMA?

 

Are the boards so mentally deficient that they can only bleat, "two legs bad, four legs good" regardless of the data that is right in front of their eyes?

 

All of the negatives posted about RMA in this thread (let's stick to this thread for the moment) have been negative "proofs" about an RMA that doesn't really exist anymore.

 

Is RMA perfect? Certainly not. But he is a far cry from the circus fun house mirror that many boardies would have other boardies believe he is.

 

And a far more rational man that deserves better than he's getting.

 

Thanks for having my back, OG.

 

But I'd like the focus..positive or negative...not to be on any individual. That's the problem. People around here can't discuss things without making every issue about the people discussing the issue, rather than the issue itself...and it is this problem that eats away at the board, which the moderation team won't address.

 

It's not the boobies, it's not the swear words, it's not the "PG-13" issues that are the problem.

 

It's the toxicity that motivates a person to make threats against someone else, regardless of the reason, the toxicity that jumps all over noobs for the most innocuous questions, the toxicity that inspires people to provoke people they don't like with snide commentary, the toxicity that allows peopll to openly hate one another instead of trying to resolve differences, or, at worst, not interacting with them at all.

 

That's the problem, that's what the mods, and the mods alone, can control, and that's what is being ignored.

 

But thanks for having my back.

 

If I didn't know any better(and I don't), I'd swear RMA=Ogami

 

My head hurts