Will CGC grade a PSA/DNA Certified Magazine.

[madnstuff-migration]

Would CGC consider grading this or encapsulating it?

 

 

[Guest Grails]

They will grade and slab it but it won't be given a Signature Series label. It would be a green Qualified label though Universal can be requested with the grade taking a hit from the signature and sticker. I'm not sure why people submit to PSA/DNA because they don't (and can't) guarantee that the signatures they examine are authentic.

[Batko-migration]

They will grade and slab it but it won't be given a Signature Series label. It would be a green Qualified label though Universal can be requested with the grade taking a hit from the signature and sticker. I'm not sure why people submit to PSA/DNA because they don't (and can't) guarantee that the signatures they examine are authentic.

 

The whole idea of submtting an item to PSA/DNA is to get a guarantee and Certificate of Authenticity that a signature is legitimate. So, you would seem to be saying that they are frauds.

 

CGC is a service that grades mags and comics and guarantees their condition. PSA/DNA guarantees the actual signature of the celebrity or sports star. What proof do you have that they "don't (and can't) guarantee that the signatures they examine are authentic."

 

Mike

P.S. I know that this is Buddy's signature, but it is nice to have a PSA/DNA expert backing me up.

[Mike's Rack]

No matter what your feelings are toward the original certifying company, CGC will not give a yellow label. As the previous poster said, it will get a green label but it won't get a deduction for the signature.

[Batko-migration]

No matter what your feelings are toward the original certifying company, CGC will not give a yellow label. As the previous poster said, it will get a green label but it won't get a deduction for the signature.

 

I understand that. CGC will only give a yellow label if the item is signed in front of one of their representatives. And, that is fair enough.

 

But, that was not the point in my previous post. The poster that I was responding to implied, if not outright stated, that PSA/DNA is a fraud and/or incompetent! If that is the case, I would like to see some proof that they don't know what they are doing or that they just rubber stamp signatures as authentic.

 

I have no doubt that they make errors (just like CGC makes mistakes) in their authentication of signatures and grading of sports cards. However, unless someone comes up with proof that they are incompetent or conduct a fraudelent business, then I would suggest not making unfounded allegations of incompetence or fraud.

 

Correct me if I am wrong, but PSA has been around for a long time and is a highly respected authority in the sports card grading business and, now, in authenticating autographs.

 

- Mike

[Guest Grails]

They will grade and slab it but it won't be given a Signature Series label. It would be a green Qualified label though Universal can be requested with the grade taking a hit from the signature and sticker. I'm not sure why people submit to PSA/DNA because they don't (and can't) guarantee that the signatures they examine are authentic.

 

The whole idea of submtting an item to PSA/DNA is to get a guarantee and Certificate of Authenticity that a signature is legitimate. So, you would seem to be saying that they are frauds.

 

CGC is a service that grades mags and comics and guarantees their condition. PSA/DNA guarantees the actual signature of the celebrity or sports star. What proof do you have that they "don't (and can't) guarantee that the signatures they examine are authentic."

 

Mike

P.S. I know that this is Buddy's signature, but it is nice to have a PSA/DNA expert backing me up.

 

 

 

 

No, I'm not saying they are frauds at all. What I'm saying is that they can not guarantee any signature is authentic. This comes directly from their own company as I spoke with them concerning a piece of film memorabilia I was considering submitting. What they told me is that they can give me their expert opinion as to whether the signature is authentic. Even their certificates state "It is our opinion." An opinion is not a guarantee.

[Batko-migration]

Let's not play games with semantics. Then CGC is only giving their opinion as to the grade of the condition of a comic or magazine. However, for all intents and purposes, that CGC "opinion" is taken as the last word and a buyer usually has no recourse if he is not satisfied with the condition of a CGC slabbed comic or mag.

 

And, believe me, I have run across some "questionable" grades by CGC of FMs.

 

A CGC grade for a comic or a PSA/DNA authentication of a signature are, in fact, OPINIONS. In reality, they are taken as gospel by the vast majority of collectors and used by sellers as a GUARANTEE of a grade or authenticity and justify higher prices.

 

- Mike

[mschmidt]

A CGC grade for a comic or a PSA/DNA authentication of a signature are, in fact, OPINIONS. In reality, they are taken as gospel by the vast majority of collectors and used by sellers as a GUARANTEE of a grade or authenticity and justify higher prices.

 

- Mike

 

Why are you comparing CGC grading to PSA/DNA signature authentication?

 

The correct comparison would be with CGC's Signature Series service which, unlike PSA/DNA, guarantees that the item was signed by the person whose name is on the label.

[miraclemet]

...However, for all intents and purposes, that CGC "opinion" is taken as the last word and a buyer usually has no recourse if he is not satisfied with the condition of a CGC slabbed comic or mag.

 

- Mike

 

Plenty of people disagree with grades.

Plenty of people crack and resub for that exact reason.

Plenty of people pay more/less for books based on their personal assesment of a book regardless of CGCs grade.

 

So back to your original question.

 

CGC will grade & encapsualte your book.

 

It will either get a qualified grade (default) noting that there is a name on the front, or a universal label (if requested) but would be downgraded for the condition because of writing (the auto) on the cover. Most people in your case go for the Qualified grade.

 

Grails point of " I'm not sure why people submit to PSA/DNA because they don't (and can't) guarantee that the signatures they examine are authentic. " is his opinion (there are lots of them here on the internet).

 

I'd just point out there is enough of the market that values PSA/DNA opinions that if you have an autograph that cant be SSed, its at least somewhat of an incentive for some part of the autograph buying market to buy your book. If it was going into the personal collection it is also of use as a "second opinion" on the possible authenticity of the signature.

 

Its not a certainty like the Signature Series program.

 

I dont see anywhere in their COA the words guarentee. That is intentional . They are even explicit that this is their opinion. There have been quite a few "authentication" services scandals in the past showing fakes that were certified as authentic by some big name authenticators.

 

I'll pose your question back to you since you use their service and I dont. What is their guarentee when you use their service? Do they state they will refund fees if the autographs are found to be fake? Again, you've used them, I havent so I dont know. My assumption is since they state that it is their "opinion" to the authenticity, that there is no guarentee.

 

No part of my statement implies PSA as being a fraud or incompetent, and Im not sure that Grails comments would be interpreted that way by most.

 

If you use PSA to get a second opinion and you respect them, thats enough of a reason. People who dont find use in a second opinion (maybe who prefer other ways of provenance, or authentication) dont use them...

 

 

[Guest Grails]

Unbiased handwriting analysis experts will tell you that no signature can be guaranteed authentic after the fact. Forgery experts have perfected their "art" right down to the year the ink in their pen was manufactured.

[Batko-migration]

A CGC grade for a comic or a PSA/DNA authentication of a signature are, in fact, OPINIONS. In reality, they are taken as gospel by the vast majority of collectors and used by sellers as a GUARANTEE of a grade or authenticity and justify higher prices.

 

- Mike

 

Why are you comparing CGC grading to PSA/DNA signature authentication?

 

The correct comparison would be with CGC's Signature Series service which, unlike PSA/DNA, guarantees that the item was signed by the person whose name is on the label.

 

That's true, because a CGC representative is present at the signing. However, that represents such a miniscule part of autograph collecting that it has virtually no effect on general autograph collecting. 99.9% of autographs are traded/bought in the secondary market and a competent authority is needed to make an educated determination of the authenticity of those signatures.

 

- Mike

[DiceX]

Whoah...Butthurt in the Magazine Forum today.

 

 

[John91C]

The only PSA/DNA grading/authentication that is guaranteed authentic is the Signed in the Presence Authentication

 

http://www.psacard.com/Services/InThePresenceAuthentication/

 

Every other COA or LOA from PSA/DNA is NOT GUARANTEED...it is considered an OPINION. The only thing they guarantee is their opinion. Meaning if PSA/DNA passes an autograph as "authentic" and later it turns out it was secretarial, etc, then they will refund your grading fee and possibly the item but again I don't know what their guarantee on their opinion entails.

 

Every other COA frrom PSA/DNA has no "Guaranteed Authentic" written on their COA/LOA except for the Signed-In-The-Presence.

[miraclemet]

The only PSA/DNA grading/authentication that is guaranteed authentic is the Signed in the Presence Authentication

 

wonder where they got that idea

[DiceX]

Wasn't there some big stink several years ago over PSA verifying a bunch of fake signatures?

 

 

[Junkdrawer]

Wasn't there some big stink several years ago over PSA verifying a bunch of fake signatures?

 

The way I heard it was about baseballs that were originally authenticated by PSA/DNA were cracked out and re-subbed only to come back the second time as forgery

[madnstuff-migration]

of course I back up the signature from PSA with a picture of Larry Hagman signing this Mad on the set of dallas back in the 80's... Thanks for your responses, I just wanted to also have this mad graded for my personal collection and wondered if they would with the PSA sticker and signature, I realize these items may bring the grade of the actual magazine down, and wonder if my best option is to request a No Grade to get the encapsulation... (since CGC holders are impressive... In my opinion) of do they even let you encapsulate, requesting a No Grade?

[DiceX]

You can request that the signature count against the grade of the book and you will get a blue label.

 

 

[Batko-migration]

of course I back up the signature from PSA with a picture of Larry Hagman signing this Mad on the set of dallas back in the 80's... Thanks for your responses, I just wanted to also have this mad graded for my personal collection and wondered if they would with the PSA sticker and signature, I realize these items may bring the grade of the actual magazine down, and wonder if my best option is to request a No Grade to get the encapsulation... (since CGC holders are impressive... In my opinion) of do they even let you encapsulate, requesting a No Grade?

 

I agree that CGC holders are impressive and are convenient for storing either upright or horizontal. They also have a nice heft to them. However, if you don't care about the grade then there are other ways to store your magazine that, in my opinion, are just as good or better than a CGC holder from a preservation point of view. This will save you the expense of encapsulating without a grade and, more importantly, the worry about the survival of your mag in the hands of the USPS during its trek to CGC and back to you.

 

Here is an option for you.

 

1. I place Micro-Chamber interleaving paper between the front page and front cover, back page and back cover, and in the center of each magazine.

 

2. Each magazine is then placed on an E. Gerber Full Back totally acid free backboard.

 

3. The magazine and Full Back backboard are then placed in Mylite2 protective sleeves.

4. Finally, the whole kit and keboodle is placed in a hard plastic Ultra-Pro protector for added protection against bumps, bruises, etc.

 

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