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Official "Man Of Steel" Thread

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accessndx

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Since when did movie critics actually know anything about what constitutes a good movie?

 

Pretty much every time I see a stellar review of something it's for some drek like "The Lake House" or "The Sisterhood of the Travelling pants". They never come clamoring for "Evil Dead" or "Cabin in the Woods" or anything not related to estrogen and tea-time.

 

I say critics be damned. I'll go see Supes 5 times just to spite them.

Is Superman more serious: darn tootin he is. Does he wear red underwear anymore: nope, apparently not. Is he the bungling reporter for the Daily Planet....guess that one is a huge no as well.

Does any of that make me less inclined to see the movie: nope....so throw them tomatoes boys and gals.....WB has my $ and interest.

 

BTW: The reviews would have been equivalently horrible if they did a knock off of the Christopher Reeve movies.....and the sentiment would have been: Been there done that......why can't they update the franchise. Yada, yada, yada.

Methinks Disney has a finger in the negativity pie...and I'm not buying a slice.

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The reviews leave a sense that Donner-verse expectations are largely in play, with 'not fun' a repeating condemnation. That actually raises my hopes. :wishluck:

 

It would be great if Man of Steel turns out to be a straight-up adventure drama, without eye-rolling silliness and goofy character portrayals to constantly remind viewers it's only a comic book story.

 

 

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Since when did movie critics actually know anything about what constitutes a good movie?

 

Pretty much every time I see a stellar review of something it's for some drek like "The Lake House" or "The Sisterhood of the Travelling pants". They never come clamoring for "Evil Dead" or "Cabin in the Woods" or anything not related to estrogen and tea-time.

 

I say critics be damned. I'll go see Supes 5 times just to spite them.

Is Superman more serious: darn tootin he is. Does he wear red underwear anymore: nope, apparently not. Is he the bungling reporter for the Daily Planet....guess that one is a huge no as well.

Does any of that make me less inclined to see the movie: nope....so throw them tomatoes boys and gals.....WB has my $ and interest.

 

BTW: The reviews would have been equivalently horrible if they did a knock off of the Christopher Reeve movies.....and the sentiment would have been: Been there done that......why can't they update the franchise. Yada, yada, yada.

Methinks Disney has a finger in the negativity pie...and I'm not buying a slice.

 

I see that stereotypical pig-headed male attitudes such as arrogantly sweeping and blind dismissal of other people's opinions and male chauvinism weren't enough for you...you just had to go the conspiracy theory angle as well by suggesting that Disney is behind all these negative reviews. Absolutely fantastic. :applause::baiting:

 

You're right about it being better that Snyder didn't steal from the Donner and Reeves pie. Bryan Singer did that in "Superman Returns" and got some knocks for it, although in general people enjoyed it at the time. I enjoyed the nods to the originals myself. But that's been done now, and it'll be great to see an action-filled kick- version of Superman. :headbang:

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It would be great if Man of Steel turns out to be a straight-up adventure drama, without eye-rolling silliness and goofy character portrayals to constantly remind viewers it's only a comic book story.

 

I've been counting on exactly that since the day they announced Christopher Nolan would be guiding the creative direction of the film. :cloud9:

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It would be great if Man of Steel turns out to be a straight-up adventure drama, without eye-rolling silliness and goofy character portrayals to constantly remind viewers it's only a comic book story.

 

I've been counting on exactly that since the day they announced Christopher Nolan would be guiding the creative direction of the film. :cloud9:

As a lifelong Superman fan I'm expecting to be proven wrong about a strongly held conclusion. I don't think Superman belongs in 'our world', which is exactly where Nolan grounds Man of Steel.

 

I'm more than willing to be wrong, but I can't leave my sense-of-wonder out of it.

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It would be great if Man of Steel turns out to be a straight-up adventure drama, without eye-rolling silliness and goofy character portrayals to constantly remind viewers it's only a comic book story.

 

I've been counting on exactly that since the day they announced Christopher Nolan would be guiding the creative direction of the film. :cloud9:

As a lifelong Superman fan I'm expecting to be proven wrong about a strongly held conclusion. I don't think Superman belongs in 'our world', which is exactly where Nolan grounds Man of Steel.

 

I'm more than willing to be wrong, but I can't leave my sense-of-wonder out of it.

 

As a Marvel guy, I haven't read much Superman, so I'm confused--why do you think he doesn't belong in "our world," by which I presume you mean on Earth? I thought he was powerless away from our sun. (shrug)

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Rotten Tomatoes needs a feature to filter out reviews made by women. I bet the percentage of male reviewers who enjoyed the film hovers around 80% or more. :sumo: Tired of reading these reviews by women who clearly have an unresolved crush on Christopher Reeve. :baiting:

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It would be great if Man of Steel turns out to be a straight-up adventure drama, without eye-rolling silliness and goofy character portrayals to constantly remind viewers it's only a comic book story.

 

I've been counting on exactly that since the day they announced Christopher Nolan would be guiding the creative direction of the film. :cloud9:

As a lifelong Superman fan I'm expecting to be proven wrong about a strongly held conclusion. I don't think Superman belongs in 'our world', which is exactly where Nolan grounds Man of Steel.

 

I'm more than willing to be wrong, but I can't leave my sense-of-wonder out of it.

 

As a Marvel guy, I haven't read much Superman, so I'm confused--why do you think he doesn't belong in "our world," by which I presume you mean on Earth? I thought he was powerless away from our sun. (shrug)

 

.......powerless in the presence of a Red Sun...... GOD BLESS....

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

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:banana:

 

Rotten Tomatoes needs a feature to filter out reviews made by women. I bet the percentage of male reviewers who enjoyed the film hovers around 80% or more. :sumo: Tired of reading these reviews by women who clearly have an unresolved crush on Christopher Reeve. :baiting:

 

From my cursory reading. Female Reviewers 4 Rotten 8 Fresh. Maybe it's more a crush on Henry Cavill? :baiting:

 

EDIT: And on a side note. Why are only 12 of 109 reviewers female?

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I see that stereotypical pig-headed male attitudes such as arrogantly sweeping and blind dismissal of other people's opinions and male chauvinism weren't enough for you...you just had to go the conspiracy theory angle as well by suggesting that Disney is behind all these negative reviews. Absolutely fantastic. :applause::baiting:

 

You're right about it being better that Snyder didn't steal from the Donner and Reeves pie. Bryan Singer did that in "Superman Returns" and got some knocks for it, although in general people enjoyed it at the time. I enjoyed the nods to the originals myself. But that's been done now, and it'll be great to see an action-filled kick- version of Superman. :headbang:

 

lol....bait me if you will but it'd be hard to ignore the overblown good reviews of the Marvel movies and the overwhelmingly negative slant that the same reviewers took on the DC plans.

I could have predicted these would have been the reviews with very little deviation from my expectations without ever seeing the movie.

I actually love both camps: Marvel/Disney and WB/DC. But as a fan of both I can't help but see how things are being portrayed with regards to these reviews.

Honestly the things that the critics demonize this movie for are the very things I want to see it because of. I'm a bit tired of the old takes, and I've had a bit more humor than I can stomach from the Iron Man franchise. If the criticism is that the "movie is too real" that's just fine by me.

With regards to movie reviewers typically pumping up stuff that's literally date movie fluff....I'm pretty sure I'm not the first person to see that trend. Give me a ball-breaking, building smashing romp any day over "The English Patient" or "Riding in cars with boys", "The Notebook" or gods forbid: "Under the Tuscan Sun". If I were forced to watch that stuff I'd insist on a cyanide capsule first.

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More David Goyer Interview

 

David Goyer: It is our intention that, in success, this would be the zero issue and from this point onward, possible films could expand into a shared universe. In our world, the Man of Steel world, Zack has gone on record saying that we’re implying there are other superheroes in this world. But I don’t know that they’ve come forward yet. The idea is that Superman is the first one. There might be people helping people, but not in costumes, and that Superman comes forward and announces himself to the world. In him announcing himself, he’s the one that changes things.

 

Bleeding Cool: You’re positing a cause and effect?

 

David Goyer: Yes, yes absolutely, in our mind.

 

Bleeding Cool: And so now, Bruce Wayne will feel alright in his ears, where he might not have dressed up like that before. Is that the kind of thinking?

 

David Goyer: Well, yes… there’s definitely… I don’t want to get too in depth. Obviously, Zack and I have had conversations… but there would be a cause and effect. And that would extend to the collateral damage that happened, and to what other countries feel about the fact Superman calls America his home. Man of Steel doesn’t exist in a vaccum.

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As a Marvel guy, I haven't read much Superman, so I'm confused--why do you think he doesn't belong in "our world," by which I presume you mean on Earth? I thought he was powerless away from our sun. (shrug)

What I mean is Superman works best as escapism. He's not a "real world" character so don't drag him here. Let me visit him in his universe, one that's filled with galactic wonders, alien races, superheroes and mythological magic.

 

One of the negative-reviewers used the phrase "disaster porn". There it is, that's the danger of dragging Superman into our reality. We understand all too well what destroyed buildings and mangled cities actually mean for us. It's very thin ice between engaging your sense of wonder and triggering revulsion and horror.

 

Maybe Nolan can pull it off. I hope so. :wishluck:

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I don't blame the critics.. I blame DC.

 

Let's face it.. Superman is just dumb. He's a faultless ideal, and in great storytelling, that's a HUGE no-no unless you're writing the Bible.

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Since when did movie critics actually know anything about what constitutes a good movie?

 

Pretty much every time I see a stellar review of something it's for some drek like "The Lake House" or "The Sisterhood of the Travelling pants". They never come clamoring for "Evil Dead" or "Cabin in the Woods" or anything not related to estrogen and tea-time.

Hmm... Let's see...

 

The Cabin In The Woods - MetaScore 72

The Sisterhood Of The Travelling Pants - MetaScore 66

The Lake House - MetaScore 52

 

So, I'm thinking... "no"?

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People need to remember that the trailers are almost always the best part(s) of a movie. Just because a trailer looks awesome doesn't mean the movie will always live up to the hype and expectations. There will be quite a few people who are going to feel let down after seeing the movie.

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I could have predicted these would have been the reviews with very little deviation from my expectations without ever seeing the movie.

 

Me too, but not because it's a DC film, because it's a Zack Snyder film. The critics think he's too much style and action and not enough substance. I was wondering if Snyder would mature a bit on this film particularly with Nolan producing, and I bet he has, but apparently not in a significant enough way to move more in the direction of art as opposed to pure entertainment to make the critics and people who aren't fans of superhero action happy.

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Maybe Nolan can pull it off. I hope so. :wishluck:

 

I'm still thinking Nolan wants to get away from superheroes and back to art flicks. Since his next film is "Interstellar", looks like that's the case. Has DC announced him producing any more films, or being involved at all in any more films? None are showing up in his IMDB list of projects.

 

Or did you mean you're hoping he pulled it off in "Man of Steel"?

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