Rate "Man of Steel," 1-10 Scale

[Bosco685]

After destroying a pair of cities and having killed (conservatively) THOUSANDS of people, Superman cries at his killing of Zod.

 

Yank.

 

Not only was it the first person he had ever killed, but in doing so, he just cut himself off from his last available living link to his home planet given that he currently doesn't know how to retrieve those other Kryptonians from the Phantom Zone.

 

Talk about cutting yourself off from your heritage. Sounds like a selfless act to me. some would say even heroic.

 

[mycomicshop]

Editorial: Shut Up About the Man of Steel Controversy

[Bosco685]

Editorial: Shut Up About the Man of Steel Controversy

 

Holy smokes! I forgot about this issue.

 

In 1988, in Superman (Vol. 2) #22, Superman encountered General Zod and his fellow Kryptonian criminals Zaora and Quex-Ul, and won the day by removing their super powers. But when they vowed to take revenge by regaining their powers and killing Superman, the Man of Steel – who “does not kill” – killed them. He killed them with Kryptonite. As the Last Son of Krypton, he was the only member of his species left to pass judgment on these Kryptonian criminals, and he made the calculated, careful decision to murder Zod, Zaora and Quex-Ul even though they posed no immediate threat to Superman, or anyone else for that matter. They were defeated and powerless, and he murdered them.

 

[Maccai3]

Editorial: Shut Up About the Man of Steel Controversy

 

Holy smokes! I forgot about this issue.

 

In 1988, in Superman (Vol. 2) #22, Superman encountered General Zod and his fellow Kryptonian criminals Zaora and Quex-Ul, and won the day by removing their super powers. But when they vowed to take revenge by regaining their powers and killing Superman, the Man of Steel – who “does not kill” – killed them. He killed them with Kryptonite. As the Last Son of Krypton, he was the only member of his species left to pass judgment on these Kryptonian criminals, and he made the calculated, careful decision to murder Zod, Zaora and Quex-Ul even though they posed no immediate threat to Superman, or anyone else for that matter. They were defeated and powerless, and he murdered them.

 

 

[ianh]

It's a grey area but I would say he passed judgement and executed them in the comic book. That isn't murder. Arguably the movie was self defense and of course to protect the humans.

[Prince Namor]

****SPOILER ALERT******

 

Haven't seen it yet, though most of the non-spoiler discussion has pretty much told me most of what I need to know (I will still see it). A lot of people are focusing on Mark Waid's 'Superman doesn't kill' remark, but if you actually read the whole post, it's NOT that Superman killed Zod, it's what led up to it and how poorly it was set up.

 

Here's the actual part:

 

And then we got to The Battle of Metropolis, and I truly, genuinely started to feel nauseous at all the Disaster Porn. Minute after minute after endless minute of Some Giant Machine laying so much waste to Metropolis that it’s inconceivable that we weren’t watching millions of people die in every single shot. And what’s Superman doing while all this is going on? He’s halfway around the world, fighting an identical machine but with no one around to be directly threatened, so it’s only slightly less noticeable that thousands of innocents per second are dying gruesomely on his watch. Seriously, back in Metropolis, entire skyscrapers are toppling in slo-mo and the city is a smoking, gray ruin for miles in every direction, it’s Hiroshima, and Michael Bay and Roland Emmerich are somewhere muttering “Too far, man, too far”…but, you know, Superman buys the humans enough time to sacrifice many, many of their own lives to bomb the Giant Machine themselves and even makes it back to Metropolis in time to catch Lois from falling (again), so…yay?

 

And then Superman and Lois land in the three-mile-wide crater that used to be a city of eight million people, and the staff of the Planet and a couple of other bystanders stagger out of the rubble to see Superman and say, “He saved us,” and before you can say either “From what?” or “Wow, these eight are probably the only people left alive,” and somehow–inexplicably, implausibly, somehow–before Superman can be bothered to take one second to surrender one ounce of concern or assistance to the millions of Metropolitans who are without question still buried under all that rubble, dead or dying, he saunters lazily over to where General Zod is kneeling and moping, and they argue, and they squabble, and they break into the Third Big Fight, the one that broke my heart.

 

See, everyone else in Zod’s army has been beaten and banished, but General Zod lives and so, of course, he and Superman duke it out in what, to everyone’s credit, is the very best super-hero fight I’ve ever seen, just a marvel of spectacle. But once more–and this is where I knew we were headed someplace really awful–once more, Superman showed not the slightest split-second of concern for the people around them. Particularly in this last sequence, his utter disregard for the collateral damage was just jaw-dropping as they just kept crashing through buildings full of survivors. I’m not suggesting he stop in the middle of a super-powered brawl to save a kitten from a tree, but even Brandon Routh thought to use his heat vision on the fly to disintegrate deadly falling debris after a sonic boom. From everything shown to us from the moment he put on the suit, Superman rarely if ever bothered to give the safety and welfare of the people around him one bit of thought. Which is why the climax of that fight broke me.

 

 

Discuss.

[chrisco37]

After destroying a pair of cities and having killed (conservatively) THOUSANDS of people, Superman cries at his killing of Zod.

 

Yank.

 

Not only was it the first person he had ever killed, but in doing so, he just cut himself off from his last available living link to his home planet given that he currently doesn't know how to retrieve those other Kryptonians from the Phantom Zone.

 

Talk about cutting yourself off from your heritage. Sounds like a selfless act to me. some would say even heroic.

 

 

What about Kandor?

[valiantman]

****SPOILER ALERT******

 

Haven't seen it yet, though most of the non-spoiler discussion has pretty much told me most of what I need to know (I will still see it). A lot of people are focusing on Mark Waid's 'Superman doesn't kill' remark, but if you actually read the whole post, it's NOT that Superman killed Zod, it's what led up to it and how poorly it was set up.

 

Here's the actual part:

 

And then we got to The Battle of Metropolis, and I truly, genuinely started to feel nauseous at all the Disaster Porn. Minute after minute after endless minute of Some Giant Machine laying so much waste to Metropolis that it’s inconceivable that we weren’t watching millions of people die in every single shot. And what’s Superman doing while all this is going on? He’s halfway around the world, fighting an identical machine but with no one around to be directly threatened, so it’s only slightly less noticeable that thousands of innocents per second are dying gruesomely on his watch. Seriously, back in Metropolis, entire skyscrapers are toppling in slo-mo and the city is a smoking, gray ruin for miles in every direction, it’s Hiroshima, and Michael Bay and Roland Emmerich are somewhere muttering “Too far, man, too far”…but, you know, Superman buys the humans enough time to sacrifice many, many of their own lives to bomb the Giant Machine themselves and even makes it back to Metropolis in time to catch Lois from falling (again), so…yay?

 

And then Superman and Lois land in the three-mile-wide crater that used to be a city of eight million people, and the staff of the Planet and a couple of other bystanders stagger out of the rubble to see Superman and say, “He saved us,” and before you can say either “From what?” or “Wow, these eight are probably the only people left alive,” and somehow–inexplicably, implausibly, somehow–before Superman can be bothered to take one second to surrender one ounce of concern or assistance to the millions of Metropolitans who are without question still buried under all that rubble, dead or dying, he saunters lazily over to where General Zod is kneeling and moping, and they argue, and they squabble, and they break into the Third Big Fight, the one that broke my heart.

 

See, everyone else in Zod’s army has been beaten and banished, but General Zod lives and so, of course, he and Superman duke it out in what, to everyone’s credit, is the very best super-hero fight I’ve ever seen, just a marvel of spectacle. But once more–and this is where I knew we were headed someplace really awful–once more, Superman showed not the slightest split-second of concern for the people around them. Particularly in this last sequence, his utter disregard for the collateral damage was just jaw-dropping as they just kept crashing through buildings full of survivors. I’m not suggesting he stop in the middle of a super-powered brawl to save a kitten from a tree, but even Brandon Routh thought to use his heat vision on the fly to disintegrate deadly falling debris after a sonic boom. From everything shown to us from the moment he put on the suit, Superman rarely if ever bothered to give the safety and welfare of the people around him one bit of thought. Which is why the climax of that fight broke me.

 

 

Discuss.

 

This is a VERY good rebuttal to Waid.

Editorial: Shut Up About the Man of Steel Controversy

 

[fantastic_four]

What about Kandor?

 

Wuzzat?

[chrisco37]

What about Kandor?

 

Wuzzat?

 

The bottled city of Kandor. Aren't there Kryptonians living there?

[Ken Aldred]

8/10.

 

Enjoyed it.

[ianh]

****SPOILER ALERT******

 

Haven't seen it yet, though most of the non-spoiler discussion has pretty much told me most of what I need to know (I will still see it). A lot of people are focusing on Mark Waid's 'Superman doesn't kill' remark, but if you actually read the whole post, it's NOT that Superman killed Zod, it's what led up to it and how poorly it was set up.

 

Here's the actual part:

 

And then we got to The Battle of Metropolis, and I truly, genuinely started to feel nauseous at all the Disaster Porn. Minute after minute after endless minute of Some Giant Machine laying so much waste to Metropolis that it’s inconceivable that we weren’t watching millions of people die in every single shot. And what’s Superman doing while all this is going on? He’s halfway around the world, fighting an identical machine but with no one around to be directly threatened, so it’s only slightly less noticeable that thousands of innocents per second are dying gruesomely on his watch. Seriously, back in Metropolis, entire skyscrapers are toppling in slo-mo and the city is a smoking, gray ruin for miles in every direction, it’s Hiroshima, and Michael Bay and Roland Emmerich are somewhere muttering “Too far, man, too far”…but, you know, Superman buys the humans enough time to sacrifice many, many of their own lives to bomb the Giant Machine themselves and even makes it back to Metropolis in time to catch Lois from falling (again), so…yay?

 

And then Superman and Lois land in the three-mile-wide crater that used to be a city of eight million people, and the staff of the Planet and a couple of other bystanders stagger out of the rubble to see Superman and say, “He saved us,” and before you can say either “From what?” or “Wow, these eight are probably the only people left alive,” and somehow–inexplicably, implausibly, somehow–before Superman can be bothered to take one second to surrender one ounce of concern or assistance to the millions of Metropolitans who are without question still buried under all that rubble, dead or dying, he saunters lazily over to where General Zod is kneeling and moping, and they argue, and they squabble, and they break into the Third Big Fight, the one that broke my heart.

 

See, everyone else in Zod’s army has been beaten and banished, but General Zod lives and so, of course, he and Superman duke it out in what, to everyone’s credit, is the very best super-hero fight I’ve ever seen, just a marvel of spectacle. But once more–and this is where I knew we were headed someplace really awful–once more, Superman showed not the slightest split-second of concern for the people around them. Particularly in this last sequence, his utter disregard for the collateral damage was just jaw-dropping as they just kept crashing through buildings full of survivors. I’m not suggesting he stop in the middle of a super-powered brawl to save a kitten from a tree, but even Brandon Routh thought to use his heat vision on the fly to disintegrate deadly falling debris after a sonic boom. From everything shown to us from the moment he put on the suit, Superman rarely if ever bothered to give the safety and welfare of the people around him one bit of thought. Which is why the climax of that fight broke me.

 

 

Discuss.

 

So this was Waid saying all that? I just lost all sorts of respect for him if so as this is so completely wrong I'd introduce him to straws and the art of clutching all because he is butthurt Superman killed someone.

[Bosco685]

Vote updates (9.0 x 1, 8.0 x 3, 7.0 x 1, 6.0 x 1, 3.0 x 1).

 

 

MEAN = 7.2

MEDIAN = 8.0

MODE = 8.0

 

Man of Steel seems to hold tight to scoring at the 8.0 range for most frequent vote.

[slym2none]

Wow. More people hated it (1) than thought it was just only average (5) -

 

 

 

-slym

[valiantman]

Wow. More people hated it (1) than thought it was just only average (5) -

That's why it's known as riding the "little bus", and not a little bicycle.

[Bosco685]

Wow. More people hated it (1) than thought it was just only average (5) -

 

 

 

-slym

 

When Conan/Mycomicshop called it "polarization" in how people felt about the movie, he wasn't kidding.

 

There are a medium group (12%) that scored this 1.0-3.0, a medium group that felt it was middle of the road (13%) by scoring it 4.0-6.0, and then there is a very large portion (75%) that scored it 7.0-10.0.

 

Even if we stated middle of the road was 4.0-7.0 (30), the larger portion was still 58% of votes. That's a large amount to the positive, though not as much as I would expect for a hit movie.

[slym2none]

Wow. More people hated it (1) than thought it was just only average (5) -

That's why it's known as riding the "little bus", and not a little bicycle.

 

I keep falling down and hitting my head.

 

 

 

 

-slym

[ianh]

Fandoms will always be overly critical in my experience and that is why you see all the 1's imo. For a lot of fans all it takes is one thing like Lois having red hair that they deemed as someone taking a dump on their childhood and it's obviously a lousy movie. They just can't get past it. Nothing wrong with it though, it's their opinion.

 

 

 

 

[slym2none]

Fandoms will always be overly critical in my experience and that is why you see all the 1's imo. For a lot of fans all it takes is one thing like Lois having red hair that they deemed as someone taking a dump on their childhood and it's obviously a lousy movie. They just can't get past it. Nothing wrong with it though, it's their opinion.

 

So, they are giving it a grudge-?

 

 

 

 

-slym

[Bosco685]

Fandoms will always be overly critical in my experience and that is why you see all the 1's imo. For a lot of fans all it takes is one thing like Lois having red hair that they deemed as someone taking a dump on their childhood and it's obviously a lousy movie. They just can't get past it. Nothing wrong with it though, it's their opinion.

 

I just came from a local comic store, and had a great discussion with the owner. Really nice guy that has been in the hobby for a long time. He said close to the same thing.

 

There are going to be folks that just will not tolerate changes to their childhood heroes. And with opinions either way (changes good, changes bad), better to avoid the topic if you are going to service all of your fans. So like politics or religion, it has now become the norm not to discuss comic book movies as it just turns into hurt feelings which can cost business.

 

But he definitely had a leap in Superman and Justice League comics. For some reason, The New Frontier by Darwyn Cooke has now become a hot request in his store.