The Lions Den Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) On 5/27/2018 at 5:37 PM, ThothAmon said: I’ve had this book a long time. Never really understood how Panic fit into Gaines plan for EC. It appears he was trying to rip off his own Mad success? Pretty book though. My small contribution to the fantastic EC legacy is this key comment on the CGC label. EC's colorful history needs to be preserved for the ages, and I couldn't resist fitting this one in. I'm very happy to see that no one has ever altered it. Thanks for bringing back a great memory for me... Edited June 1, 2018 by The Lions Den Additional info added ThothAmon, Black_Adam and originalisbest 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmitchgro Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 I’m too lazy to go back and look, but has anyone done a top 10 ECs list in this thread? Given that it seems like they’ve picked up steam in the market lately, I thought it might be fun to put one together. Other opinions welcome! 1. Crime Suspenstories 22 2. Weird Science Fantasy 29 3. Vault of Horror 12 4. Mad 1 5. Shock Suspenstories 6 6. Vault of Horror 30 7. Crime Suspenstories 20 8. Crime Patrol 15 9. War Against Crime 10 10. Vault of Horror 35 The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Adam Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 35 minutes ago, mrmitchgro said: I’m too lazy to go back and look, but has anyone done a top 10 ECs list in this thread? Given that it seems like they’ve picked up steam in the market lately, I thought it might be fun to put one together. Other opinions welcome! 1. Crime Suspenstories 22 2. Weird Science Fantasy 29 3. Vault of Horror 12 4. Mad 1 5. Shock Suspenstories 6 6. Vault of Horror 30 7. Crime Suspenstories 20 8. Crime Patrol 15 9. War Against Crime 10 10. Vault of Horror 35 Top 10 list based on value or popularity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmitchgro Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 My list was based on value. I wouldn’t think there’d be too much difference between those two, but hey throw both lists out there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyJack Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 I’d add Crypt of Terror 17 and omit either Vault 35 or Crime 20. Larryw7, 1950's war comics and originalisbest 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Adam Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Not sure where it should sit on the list but I'd think Haunt of Fear #15 (#1) has to be on it. The Lions Den, Larryw7 and originalisbest 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
originalisbest Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 47 minutes ago, KirbyJack said: I’d add Crypt of Terror 17 and omit either Vault 35 or Crime 20. Agreed on the need for Crypt 17! If strictly discussing value, Haunt 15(1) is also worthy of notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmitchgro Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 I had COT 17 at 11, so definitely considered that one. This brings up an interesting trend where the value of the “traditionally” desirable ECs (COT 17, HOF 1, CP 15, VOH 12, etc) have increased as the overall PCH market has, but it seems like the “new trend” (see what I did there?) is for really dramatic increases on the books with desirable cover art (CSS 22, VOH 30, CSS 20, SSS 6). There haven’t been a whole lot of high grade copies of those that have sold lately, but I think we’d be surprised at some of the prices they’d bring (like Shock 6!). IngelsFan, Black_Adam, The Lions Den and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Black_Adam said: Not sure where it should sit on the list but I'd think Haunt of Fear #15 (#1) has to be on it. What a cover! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyJack Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 hour ago, mrmitchgro said: I had COT 17 at 11, so definitely considered that one. This brings up an interesting trend where the value of the “traditionally” desirable ECs (COT 17, HOF 1, CP 15, VOH 12, etc) have increased as the overall PCH market has, but it seems like the “new trend” (see what I did there?) is for really dramatic increases on the books with desirable cover art (CSS 22, VOH 30, CSS 20, SSS 6). There haven’t been a whole lot of high grade copies of those that have sold lately, but I think we’d be surprised at some of the prices they’d bring (like Shock 6!). I’m sure this is way more accurate than I want it to be. I still like historically significant books more than covers, but there’s no arguing that covers rule currently. 1950's war comics and Larryw7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Adam Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 My first upgrade to my Ghastly HOF run arrived today - from the esteemed collection of lpsunburst MustEatBrains, Larryw7 and KirbyJack 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MustEatBrains Posted June 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2018 Received a gem this week. So glad to get some of these great books from boardies. ThothAmon, Larryw7, The Lions Den and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat-Man_America Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 That's a beauty! I'm glad you kept the COA. Alas, it's sad that CGC no longer includes the Gaines File Copy status on their labels. MustEatBrains 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29dukedog Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 23 minutes ago, Cat-Man_America said: That's a beauty! I'm glad you kept the COA. Alas, it's sad that CGC no longer includes the Gaines File Copy status on their labels. That wasn't just a one-time mistake? It's policy, now, not to mention the GFC pedigree status on the label??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmitchgro Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 5 hours ago, 29dukedog said: That wasn't just a one-time mistake? It's policy, now, not to mention the GFC pedigree status on the label??? It’s still included on CGC’s list of pedigrees on their site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Man Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 7 hours ago, Cat-Man_America said: That's a beauty! I'm glad you kept the COA. Alas, it's sad that CGC no longer includes the Gaines File Copy status on their labels. I didn't know that. When did that start and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 7 hours ago, 29dukedog said: That wasn't just a one-time mistake? It's policy, now, not to mention the GFC pedigree status on the label??? I'm voting for it being a mistake. I can't think of any reason why they would de-pedigree GFCs. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustEatBrains Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 I don't know the back story on this particular book but checking with the boardie I purchased from for additional info if he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 1 hour ago, MustEatBrains said: I don't know the back story on this particular book but checking with the boardie I purchased from for additional info if he has. You can contact CGC and ask about it. If it's a mistake, they'll reslab it with the corrected label for free. Be interesting to hear what you find out. MustEatBrains, The Lions Den and Cat-Man_America 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat-Man_America Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sqeggs said: You can contact CGC and ask about it. If it's a mistake, they'll reslab it with the corrected label for free. Be interesting to hear what you find out. If it isn't a grading mistake, then it's a policy mistake, because the GFC status on a label can double or even triple the value of a high grade EC. IMO, the reason for the perceived value discrepancy is that ECs are already HG top heavy due to the GFC numbers. Anything HG not affirmed by third party grading on the label as being from the Gaines' vault will likely realize only a portion of it's estimated value when sold. While the signed COA is important, many were lost by owners ...or disposed of... by CGC graders in the early days even though the file copy status was recorded on the label back then. Getting a GFC labeled book reslabbed without the information being included on the new label means the owner automatically takes a loss of value. The problem with having the COA set aside from the slabbed book is that there is no grader's guarantee that it ever went with the book. Of course the owner's word is valid (absolutely) and the COA can be included when a book is auctioned, but in competitive bidding it leaves too much room for speculation. If you go back through auction results for high grade EC's I'm sure you'll see a substantial premium reflected in realized sales for GFC labeled books over similarly slabbed (non-GFC) HG copies. Sorry 'bout the length of this, but I wanted to be absolutely clear on why this matters or should matter to folks, ...and I've had a lot of caffeine today. Edited June 2, 2018 by Cat-Man_America The Lions Den, 29dukedog and Larryw7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...