Shield Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 Let's put up scans of books before submitted to CGC, and then try to guess what CGC graded them. I'll start one off... Note; if there is any vast discrepancies with the interior/back cover (on later books in which I won't have a back cover scan), I'll note 'em. First book on the block? My Pep #1. It's unrestored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ninanina Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 6.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcomics-migration Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 As someone completely new to grading, can you tell me a bit about why you think it grades a 6.0? What are you looking for and what makes it a 6 versus a 7 or 8? Is it color, defects, spine? Any particular flaws in this book at are really obvious to you? Sorry to be such a newbie, but I am really interested in hearing how people approach grading, what they look for etc. DT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aardvark88 Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 Grading examines spine wear, impacted staples, cover staining, edge tears, pg quality, bindery corner wear, spine edge wear, color saturation, date/store/price stamps on covers, spine roll or lack there of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonumentalCo Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 Pick up the new Overstreet Comic Book Grading Guide as it will give you information on grading. Also ask dealers and fellow collectors that you meet. Most people will be more that happy to help explain grading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninanina Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 Ok. You called me out. First and foremost, I do understand that CGC grades Golden Age not as strict as Silver Age. Also, I am assuming the staples are attached. I do not see a serious crease on the cover, although there may be one. So I am looking past it being a Very Good. Flaws are as follows: Corners: All have some degree of damage/blunting. Crease lower left. Spine: Some damage to upper staple area as well as several stress cracks. Cover: Some Staining Back Cover: Also has several stains, damage along the bottom edge and $50.00 written in pen. (Would have been more serious if this was on the front cover) IF this were a silver or bronze age, I wouldn't grade it any better than a VG. IF there is a crease that breaks color on the cover that I can't see, even as a golden age I wouldn't grade it better than a VG because of the accumulation of defects. Very interested in opinions everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shield Posted February 19, 2003 Author Share Posted February 19, 2003 The corners are actually pretty sharp (you might be grading a tad harsh here); you're right about the other defects. Pages are a solid "off-white", and there's no tanning on the interior covers. Book is attached throughout solidly at all staples. You can't see the spine, but there isn't a spine crease or anything that breaks color; only above the top staple is there a spine color break. You're way undergrading it....I'm not sure why you're starting the grading at a VG and working up or down from there. Look at the overall appearance of the book. No paper loss, flat, moderate gloss, no major creases, only moderate spine wear with some staining, and the inking on the back cover (good catch on that, by the way)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aardvark88 Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 Fn- but if the $50 price is written in blue ink then downgrade. Less of a flaw if written in pencil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shield Posted February 19, 2003 Author Share Posted February 19, 2003 It's Pencil. I'll give you a teaser... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MW1 Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 VF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowout Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 I would grade it VG/FN 5.0 at best due to the overall wear and lack of cover gloss. But as it is a GA book CGC may well have given it a FN 6.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonds25 Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 Pep #1 - 5.5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tb Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 6.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 I give it a 5.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shield Posted February 20, 2003 Author Share Posted February 20, 2003 Dark scan, but: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninanina Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 Wow. Anytime I can come in within 1/2 a grade of CGC, I feel pretty good. Now, you guys think a Silver Age would have gotten this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninanina Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 It was primarily the accumulation of defects that made me think along the lines of a VG rather than a Fine - but only if the comic was Silver or Bronze Age. All of the defects except for "soiling" are allowed in a VG. A fine is a comic as described as "clean" and I felt with the stains on the comic together with the other defects might be a stretch for the fine grade. Also, the top staple had the appearance of being loose, so I wasn't sure. I did forget to mention, a great looking comic. Had fun, thanks for the post. And your right, obviously I did under-grade a bit, but I was close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowout Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 Now, you guys think a Silver Age would have gotten this? Short answer, No. This is a prime example of GA overgrading on CGC's part. I have seen several Silver Age books in the 5.0 range that looked better than this book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PovertyRow Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 Before things go TOO far - can we move this over to the right Board? Grading and Resto Board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
