how much should I pay for a coverless Incredible Hulk #1 Update

[makeminemego]

It just seems like a lot for a coverless book, at least to my tastes.

 

I'd buy a handful of early Incredible Hulks with 1K, rather than a coverless #1.

 

You could probably find some nice, presentable (4.0-5.0) copies of IH 4-6,

if you wanted to. I think all 3 of those books could be had in the $350 range.

 

Seems like a better idea to me, but if you're looking specifically for an Incredible Hulk #1 coverless, then pulling the trigger may be in your best interest.

 

Good luck!

 

[budsbundy]

Are you going to have a reproduction cover made for it?

If you had a nice one professionally made and attached to keep for your own collection I could see buying it.

[oakman29]

Just seems like a ton of money to plunk down on a coverless book,even if it is Hulk.

[spidrvacc]

Are you going to have a reproduction cover made for it?

If you had a nice one professionally made and attached to keep for your own collection I could see buying it.

 

Thats what I did. Got a nice reproduction cover done on here by Fedoraman and it looks great. If your getting a cover less for your personal collection or if your selling a repro cover is very nice addition.

[bluechip]

How much would I expect to pay for a coverless copy of Hulk #1

 

it's complete

no restoration

no tape

no pen or pencil marks

 

only problem is a one inch tear through the spine

 

thoughts?

 

 

Can I ask you why you're focusing so much on low grade and incomplete books?.

 

I buy low grade and incomplete comics because it's what I can afford and sell them for a profit

 

But couldn't you spend that same money on nice copies of cheaper books? It's just a curious niche to be in.

 

The fact that a person collects things you don't sell does not mean they collect in a "niche."

 

You could say he's a niche collector (meaning he's outside the norm) if he said something such as "I like coverless books and that's all I buy."

"To me, the important thing is that it's coverless. Then I consider what the book itself is..." But he didn't say that, doesn't do that.

 

What the guy collects is the most affordable copies of books that he considers the most interesting and important. For example, a Hulk 1

 

You're saying that his first priority should be that the book is in high grade. Meaning he should forego a poor condition Hulk 1 if the same money can get him a 9.8 copy of Hulk 117 or World War Hulk something like that.

 

If the goal is to get books 9.8 or better, just because they are 9.8, then he can go to the local comics store and buy brand new issues of Hulk right off the shelf.

 

If the number on the label is the only reason, or even just the first reason, to collect a comic, then that's a "niche." And if you collect that way then it's foolish to pay more than cover price for a new book for anything, because 9.8s are available at that price.

 

 

[rob_react]

How much would I expect to pay for a coverless copy of Hulk #1

 

it's complete

no restoration

no tape

no pen or pencil marks

 

only problem is a one inch tear through the spine

 

thoughts?

 

 

Can I ask you why you're focusing so much on low grade and incomplete books?.

 

I buy low grade and incomplete comics because it's what I can afford and sell them for a profit

 

But couldn't you spend that same money on nice copies of cheaper books? It's just a curious niche to be in.

 

The fact that a person collects things you don't sell does not mean they collect in a "niche."

 

What the guy collects is the most affordable copies of books that he considers the most interesting and important. For example, a Hulk 1

 

You're saying that his first priority should be that the book is in high grade. Meaning he should forego a poor condition Hulk 1 if the same money can get him a 9.8 copy of Hulk 117 or something like that.

 

If the goal is to get books 9.8 or better, just because they are 9.8, then he can go to the local comics store and buy brand new issues of Hulk right off the shelf.

 

If the number on the label is the only reason, or even just the first reason, to collect a comic, then that's a "niche." And if you collect that way then it's foolish to pay more than cover price for a new book for anything, because 9.8s are available at that price.

 

 

If he were buying it for his collection, then awesome, go for it. I'm happy to see people buy whatever floats their boat. In this specific case, the OP is new to the hobby and is trying to buy books to flip for a profit. If that's really what he's trying to do then buying and flipping a coverless book is a lot tougher ask then trying to buy and flip books complete books- books that have a wider audience. He's repeatedly asked about low grade and incomplete books here on the forum. The audience for coverless and incomplete books isn't as broad as the audience for complete books, hence "niche."

 

And... I'm not saying 9.8. I'm just saying, if you're really looking to buy books to flip buying higher quality books is going to be an easier task. Higher quality = more buyers = easier to flip.

[rob_react]

How much would I expect to pay for a coverless copy of Hulk #1

 

it's complete

no restoration

no tape

no pen or pencil marks

 

only problem is a one inch tear through the spine

 

thoughts?

 

 

Can I ask you why you're focusing so much on low grade and incomplete books?.

 

I buy low grade and incomplete comics because it's what I can afford and sell them for a profit

 

Quoted for bluechip so he can have some context.

[Lazyboy]

Context? He doesn't care about context, he just wants to continue spouting his same old B.S.

[rob_react]

[Tempus Fugit]

Here is the thing:

 

It appears the OP is fascinated with owning (if only a portion, temporarily) of a key book. That's cool.

 

If he employed some of the ideas presented here, he could buy an LG Hulk 1 outright with profits made in 6 months, but it seems a (risky) brief fling with a needy book is higher on his priority than longer term accumulation of great books.

 

To each his own I guess, but with only a grand to play with, I would be looking to fill my trunk with books I could sell for 5-25 a pop.

 

I am starting to repeat myself.

[Lazyboy]

99% of bluechip's posts are the same old "what I collect is great, what you collect is stupid." This time he didn't bother reading what the thread was actually about and looks stupid(er) because of it.

 

The fact that a person collects things you don't sell does not mean they collect in a "niche."

If the number on the label is the only reason, or even just the first reason, to collect a comic, then that's a "niche."

Guess what kind of comics bluechip has (and doesn't have) for sale.

[rob_react]

99% of bluechip's posts are the same old "what I collect is great, what you collect is stupid." This time he didn't bother reading what the thread was actually about and looks stupid(er) because of it.

 

The fact that a person collects things you don't sell does not mean they collect in a "niche."

If the number on the label is the only reason, or even just the first reason, to collect a comic, then that's a "niche."

Guess what kind of comics bluechip has (and doesn't have) for sale.

 

Got it, thanks.

 

[bluechip]

99% of bluechip's posts are the same old "what I collect is great, what you collect is stupid." This time he didn't bother reading what the thread was actually about and looks stupid(er) because of it.

 

The fact that a person collects things you don't sell does not mean they collect in a "niche."

If the number on the label is the only reason, or even just the first reason, to collect a comic, then that's a "niche."

Guess what kind of comics bluechip has (and doesn't have) for sale.

 

Actually, what I was speaking against was the idea that "what I collect is great, what you collect is stupid."

 

I was responding to a poster who seemed to belittle another poster for saying he collects low grade copies of key books because those are what he can afford -- if he is to collect the key books, instead of higher grade copies of books that he considers less interesting.

 

BTW I have plenty of high grade books as well as low grade books. In fact I have many silver and copper books that appear to be virtually flawless and which might get the fabled "nosebleed" grade.

 

So I have collected many 9.8 level books. I just haven't sent them all to get slabbed so that I can then sell them with hopes of nosebleed prices.

 

I don't mind that other people slab such books and sell them for whatever they like. I only speak against people for doing that when IN ADDITION to touting their 9.8s as hugely valuable and desirable they insist on maligning all books that are lower grade -- even if the lower grade books are far more important and far more rare, in any grade. That to me, is an attempt to interfere with the value of other people's property, in addition to saying "what I collect is great and what you collect is stupid."

 

Once a person has gone over the line, attempting to screw with the value of books outside their wheelhouse, then I think they forfeit their right to my silence about the fact that the rare nosebleed grade items they are touting may be common as dirt in any grade and even in the grade that appears to be rare.

 

 

[bluechip]

How much would I expect to pay for a coverless copy of Hulk #1

 

it's complete

no restoration

no tape

no pen or pencil marks

 

only problem is a one inch tear through the spine

 

thoughts?

 

 

Can I ask you why you're focusing so much on low grade and incomplete books?.

 

I buy low grade and incomplete comics because it's what I can afford and sell them for a profit

 

But couldn't you spend that same money on nice copies of cheaper books? It's just a curious niche to be in.

 

The fact that a person collects things you don't sell does not mean they collect in a "niche."

 

What the guy collects is the most affordable copies of books that he considers the most interesting and important. For example, a Hulk 1

 

You're saying that his first priority should be that the book is in high grade. Meaning he should forego a poor condition Hulk 1 if the same money can get him a 9.8 copy of Hulk 117 or something like that.

 

If the goal is to get books 9.8 or better, just because they are 9.8, then he can go to the local comics store and buy brand new issues of Hulk right off the shelf.

 

If the number on the label is the only reason, or even just the first reason, to collect a comic, then that's a "niche." And if you collect that way then it's foolish to pay more than cover price for a new book for anything, because 9.8s are available at that price.

 

 

If he were buying it for his collection, then awesome, go for it. I'm happy to see people buy whatever floats their boat. In this specific case, the OP is new to the hobby and is trying to buy books to flip for a profit. If that's really what he's trying to do then buying and flipping a coverless book is a lot tougher ask then trying to buy and flip books complete books- books that have a wider audience. He's repeatedly asked about low grade and incomplete books here on the forum. The audience for coverless and incomplete books isn't as broad as the audience for complete books, hence "niche."

 

And... I'm not saying 9.8. I'm just saying, if you're really looking to buy books to flip buying higher quality books is going to be an easier task. Higher quality = more buyers = easier to flip.

 

The average person would presume a coverless Hulk 1 is worth mor than several later issues. So the biggest influence suppressing the value of a coverless Hulk 1 or similar key is not how people are naturally inclined; it's people who don't want to support the value of a coverless Hulk 1, because they believe it's inconsistent with their collection a/o business model. I've been at enough shows to see a few clueless grampas approach booths with their grade school kid in tow, asking for advice about what to "invest" in so they can put the grandkid through college. And more often than not they are told that high grade is the first consideration, start with that and then go backward to the title and issue number. And then, more often than not, they are presented with a small stack of the most common books out there, starting with the books that have the least possible upside potential, to see if gramps will bite.

 

The fact that this guy wanted a Hulk 1 in ANY condition and preferred it to later issues in better condition is not an anomaly. Most people out there will have the same view, which mean that -- barring overt suppression of the value by people who don't like the concept or feel it interferes with their business model -- the value of a coverless Hulk 1 will continue to rise at the same or better rate as complete later issues.

 

And, btw, I do NOT have a coverless Hulk 1 for sale. The only copy of that issue I have left is one I bought long long ago and I will hang onto it for nostalgia's sake.

 

 

[Point Five]

The fact that this guy wanted a Hulk 1 in ANY condition and preferred it to later issues in better condition is not an anomaly. Most people out there will have the same view, which mean that -- barring overt suppression of the value by people who don't like the concept or feel it interferes with their business model -- the value of a coverless Hulk 1 will continue to rise at the same or better rate as complete later issues.

I can get behind that. But it sounds like uchiha is looking for a quick flip. I'd think a coverless Hulk #1 would not be a great candidate for a quick flip, unless he's picking it up at a ridiculous bargain price in the first place.

 

 

[Lazyboy]

Actually, what I was speaking against was the idea that "what I collect is great, what you collect is stupid."

 

I was responding to a poster who seemed to belittle another poster for saying he collects low grade copies of key books because those are what he can afford -- if he is to collect the key books, instead of higher grade copies of books that he considers less interesting.

You must not have read the discussion very well then. He was clearly questioning the attempts to flip relatively expensive low grade comics by a person who seems to have little to no knowledge about buying... or selling... or grading... or comics in general.

 

BTW I have plenty of high grade books as well as low grade books. In fact I have many silver and copper books that appear to be virtually flawless and which might get the fabled "nosebleed" grade.

 

So I have collected many 9.8 level books. I just haven't sent them all to get slabbed so that I can then sell them with hopes of nosebleed prices.

Only slabbed books can be UHG?

 

I don't mind that other people slab such books and sell them for whatever they like. I only speak against people for doing that when IN ADDITION to touting their 9.8s as hugely valuable and desirable they insist on maligning all books that are lower grade -- even if the lower grade books are far more important and far more rare, in any grade. That to me, is an attempt to interfere with the value of other people's property, in addition to saying "what I collect is great and what you collect is stupid."

 

Once a person has gone over the line, attempting to screw with the value of books outside their wheelhouse, then I think they forfeit their right to my silence about the fact that the rare nosebleed grade items they are touting may be common as dirt in any grade and even in the grade that appears to be rare.

 

You say that like people are trying to sell UHG Slapstick 3s by claiming they're better in any way (other than grade/condition, obviously) than coverless AF 15s or something.

 

Lots of CGC 9.8s are essentially worthless due to lack of demand. However, if you don't like the fact that a book like New Mutants 98 sells for a lot of money - but not so much money that an average person can't reasonably afford it - because Deadpool is extremely popular...

[Chicago Boy]

$500

[rob_react]

Actually, what I was speaking against was the idea that "what I collect is great, what you collect is stupid."

 

I was responding to a poster who seemed to belittle another poster for saying he collects low grade copies of key books because those are what he can afford -- if he is to collect the key books, instead of higher grade copies of books that he considers less interesting.

You must not have read the discussion very well then. He was clearly questioning the attempts to flip relatively expensive low grade comics by a person who seems to have little to no knowledge about buying... or selling... or grading... or comics in general.

 

That's basically it. The OP has been asking about a bunch of books (here and in other threads) that, to me, don't seem like the easiest books to flip (coverless, incomplete, etc.) I'm not sure how I belittled anyone or where I started to talk about 9.8's or "nosebleed" grades or any of the other paragraphs of stuff that is being laid at my feet here. I think I posted three sentences in this thread. Maybe I'm being confused with someone else?

 

And, FWIW, I'm one of the posters who first started talking about the "what I collect is cool and what you collect is stupid" phenomenon being lame ten plus years ago, so me being dragged into that is ironic. I don't care what people collect, but this isn't a conversation about collecting comics. It's a conversation about flipping comics which is a different matter.

[rob_react]

How much would I expect to pay for a coverless copy of Hulk #1

 

it's complete

no restoration

no tape

no pen or pencil marks

 

only problem is a one inch tear through the spine

 

thoughts?

 

 

Can I ask you why you're focusing so much on low grade and incomplete books?.

 

I buy low grade and incomplete comics because it's what I can afford and sell them for a profit

 

But couldn't you spend that same money on nice copies of cheaper books? It's just a curious niche to be in.

 

I guess this is me belittling uchiha101 Calling being a specialist in flipping coverless and incomplete books a niche is belittling apparently

 

[rob_react]

Seriously, I basically coined the phrase.

 

6/26/04

 

Could the late turnaround time be due to the 5,000 ( heh..just a estimate) modern books arriving at CGC's front door weekly?

 

Could people stop complaining about Modern books? Modern books showing up by the truckload only slow down Modern submissions since certain graders only handle certain books. CGC needs more staff all around to handle the greater general volume. Laying blame anywhere but on the fact that CGC is understaffed is ignoring reality.

 

Unless of course Modern CGC books just bother you, in that case, it's yet another iteration of "what I collect is cool, what you collect is stupid."

 

3/16/04

Just got here... Did I miss anything?

 

Skimming it, I think it was another variation of "What I collect is cool, what you collect is stupid."

 

03/11/04

 

What a head scratcher. Forgive me if I'm reading this wrong, but we're laying the blame for a company's problems at its customers' feet? CGC can't handle the increase in volume and it's their customers' fault? How does that work exactly? Isn't that totally backwards? Shouldn't we be talking about how CGC is failing to satisfy its customers demands, whatever they may be?

 

CGC simply has to do what every other company in this situation would do- increase productivity. In this case it would probably mean hiring more staff.

 

Of course, there's no real pressure to do so since there's no real competition for them...

 

By the way- proposing that we should punish modern tier customers because CGC is slow? What's up with that? It sounds like a case of "what I collect is cool, what you collect is stupid." I hate that syndrome.

 

CGC has to figure out a way to handle the volume, it's that simple.