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Hey guys....this is my life we're talking about....

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Hepcat

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A head's up to anyone who might have clicked on the links in posts to this thread last night (the posts have been deleted). Apparently, judging from a thread in CG (also deleted), the links led to porn ... and a virus. :o

 

The one upon which I clicked led to an Ebay auction with a $900,000 price tag. It left me emotionally scarred for life. Was that the one?

 

???

 

 

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Very nice. But yeah, also very limited crowd collecting ashcans.

 

Considering that there are less than 100 GA ashcans in existence, I would say that it's an EXTREMELY limited crowd collecting them.

 

You are right. I should have said "Very nice, but also a very limited crowd wanting to collect them" (price and alternative opportunity etc considered).

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Same seller, same comic, but he said: "I'm going to sell a comic on ComicConnect very soon. ... I've never been so nervous in all my life. I (and you) can always tell within reason what a comic will sell for. Not this time. The comic I'm selling could go for anywhere from $20K to $1M+."

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Big Moov

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Hey guys it's me; interesting discussion. Yeah in a way I probably shouldn't come on here an beg for a high price lol....but the most important thing is that I get the word out. Then whatever it sells for, it sells for.

Hate to sell it, but I have to do what I have to do. I will always keep at least one comic though. I'm into quality over quantity. I'm just going to hold on (forever hopefully) to this one comic I have, that I like equally to my Cap Marvel ashcan. If you must know, it's the More Fun 73 Mile High copy. I'm biased of course, but I think that's a million-dollar comic as well. It was a basically a coin-flip for me. I WILL keep one comic forever though. I love rare Golden Age comics.

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I actually don't think I'm biased though. I'm consistent. I favor Golden Age books, because they are so much more rare. And the best Golden Age characters are:

 

Superman

Batman

Captain Marvel

Flash

Green Lantern

Captain America

Wonder Woman

Aquaman

Green Arrow

....after that, I don't know how to order them. The contenders are:

Atom

Hawkman

Sandman

Human Torch

Submariner

Plastic Man

Blue Beetle

....and some others. But would anyone argue with the Top-9 on my list? They're in order, except for Captain Marvel. He could be anywhere from 3rd to 6th. Depends on your criteria. The order can be changed, but would anyone argue that those are the Top-9 ??

 

But my point is....I think that any of these Top-9 Golden Age characters, if you have the single highest graded copy of the first appearance, it should be worth a million. Or close to it. Agree? Disagree?

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I'm into quality over quantity.

 

Don't confound price with quality. For example even the most run-of-the-mill Bronze Age comic was better written and drawn than Action 1. The reason that Action 1 fetches the mega bucks today has nothing to do with its "quality" per se.

 

And the best Golden Age characters are:

 

Superman

Batman

Captain Marvel

Flash

Green Lantern

Captain America

Wonder Woman

Aquaman

Green Arrow

 

....after that, I don't know how to order them. The contenders are:

 

Atom

Hawkman

Sandman

Human Torch

Submariner

Plastic Man

Blue Beetle

 

....and some others. But would anyone argue with the Top-9 on my list? They're in order, except for Captain Marvel. He could be anywhere from 3rd to 6th. Depends on your criteria. The order can be changed, but would anyone argue that those are the Top-9 ??

 

Whether those characters are the "best" or not is a matter of opinion. As far as whether that list might accurately represent the most popular Golden Age characters, Aquaman and to a lesser extent Green Arrow are way too high. I'd say the number of times these characters were cover features might be the most accurate assessment of popularity and Aquaman wasn't on any covers until the Silver Age. That being so I'd say the list of most popular DC characters during the Golden Age might be as follows:

 

Superman

Batman

Wonder Woman

Flash

Green Lantern

Spectre

Doctor Fate

Hawkman

Sandman

Starman

Hourman

Green Arrow

 

Slotting in the other characters from the other publishers would be more problematic.

 

But my point is....I think that any of these Top-9 Golden Age characters, if you have the single highest graded copy of the first appearance, it should be worth a million. Or close to it. Agree? Disagree?

 

"Should" be? There are no "shoulds" in the concept of "worth". The concept of "worth" implicitly involves making a value judgement and making a universal value judgement involves getting into everyone else's head. All I can say about the value of any comic is the price at which they're listed in various guides, the prices at which they've been trading and the price (if any) that I'd be willing to pay myself. I'm not willing to go into anyone else's head and make a judgement about how much an item would be "worth" to some other fellow though. Therefore if I'm not willing to pay a certain price myself, how can I possibly say that there "should" be someone else willing to pay that price? So I'm not willing to say what any of these comics are worth to anyone else and the word "should" doesn't enter into my calculations regardless.

 

The other problem is that some characters have gained in popularity since the Golden Age while other characters have lost popularity. Much as I personally dislike Captain America, I have to admit that he's held his popularity since the Golden Age much better than has Captain Marvel. And it's present day popularity that has more of a bearing on present day prices than that character's popularity when those comics were first published. It therefore wouldn't surprise me to see Golden Age Captain America appearances fetching far more in the marketplace today than Golden Age Captain Marvel appearances quite simply because there are so many more Captain America than Captain Marvel collectors today. But like I say, I can't get into anybody else's head anyway although I must admit the prices that some comics have fetched recently bewilders me.

 

(shrug)

 

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Whether those characters are the "best" or not is a matter of opinion. As far as whether that list might accurately represent the most popular Golden Age characters, Aquaman and to a lesser extent Green Arrow are way too high. I'd say the number of times these characters were cover features might be the most accurate assessment of popularity and Aquaman wasn't on any covers until the Silver Age. That being so I'd say the list of most popular Golden Age DC characters might be as follows:

 

Superman

Batman

Wonder Woman

Flash

Green Lantern

Spectre

Doctor Fate

Hawkman

Sandman

Starman

Hourman

Green Arrow

 

 

You know, I think Green Arrow is an interesting case. He first appears in More Fun 73 (Nov. 41) and four issues later has knocked Spectre and Doctor Fate off of the cover rotation of More Fun (Spectre got 14 covers and Fate only 11). Green Arrow has a run of 23 covers on More Fun. So a good argument can be made that Green Arrow should be viewed as more popular than both Spectre and Doctor Fate because he displaced them in More Fun and had more covers.

 

Admittedly, Spectre and Fate had some time on the JSA, but they got booted halfway through the run (No. 24). And Green Arrow had a 14 issue run with the cover featured Seven Soldiers in Leading Comics. So I think that all evens out roughly.

 

What doesn't even out, though, is that Green Arrow remained in continuous publication from his first appearance through until the Silver Age. Only Superman, Batman/Robin, Wonder Woman, and Superboy can make that claim. So viewed historically, on the ultimate measure of popularity, Green Arrow is just one step below the Big Three and above every other DC GA hero. And on the present measure of popularity, the tv show suggests he also is way above most on the list above.

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Having said that, MF 73 is a much more common comic than the other DC GA keys, so saying it "should" be a "million dollar book" seems to ignore supply and demand (especially when the only "million dollar books" so far are high grade Action 1, high grade D27, and a really really nice 9.6 AF 15. The next highest books on the list are a 9.2 Batman 1 and 9.8 X-Men 1, both of which are around $500K short of being million dollar books.

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What doesn't even out, though, is that Green Arrow remained in continuous publication from his first appearance through until the Silver Age. Only Superman, Batman/Robin, Wonder Woman, and Superboy can make that claim. So viewed historically, on the ultimate measure of popularity, Green Arrow is just one step below the Big Three and above every other DC GA hero.

 

What about Aquaman though? He too remained in continuous publication right through the Silver Age and even scored his own title in 1962 which lasted for years after Green Arrow lost his own backup stories in World's Finest Comics in 1964.

 

???

 

Perhaps we could rejig my previous list of DC's most popular characters during the Golden Age to this one though:

 

Superman

Batman

Wonder Woman

Flash

Green Lantern

Hawkman

Sandman

Starman

Green Arrow

Spectre

Doctor Fate

Hourman

Black Canary

Aquaman

 

(shrug)

 

 

 

 

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Okay. Fair enough. But I still think the earliest efforts of comic book creators were really, really crude compared to their later efforts when they not only had some experience under their belts but were being driven to improve their product by competition.

 

:preach:

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Perhaps we could rejig my previous list of DC's most popular characters during the Golden Age to this one though:

 

Superman

Batman

Wonder Woman

Flash

Green Lantern

Hawkman

Sandman

Starman

Green Arrow

Spectre

Doctor Fate

Hourman

Black Canary

Aquaman

 

(shrug)

 

 

For me, the Golden Age encompasses the "atomic age," so I'd easily rate Green Arrow above Starman (another character booted out of the JSA by AS 24, and maybe also Sandman (but that's a more complicated argument). I'd also find a place on the list for Guardian and the Newsboy Legion above Sandman. My list would probably look like this:

 

Tier 1:

 

Superman

Batman

Robin

Wonder Woman

 

(All of the above appeared in their own title, were lead feature in an anthology, appeared as a co-headliner with other heroes in a shared book, and occasionally were in a team. They also stayed in publication throughout the 50s.)

 

Tier 2:

 

Flash

Green Lantern

Superboy

 

(While all of the above had their own solo books and appeared in anthologies, Flash and Green Lantern didn't last throughout the 50s and Superboy wasn't in a team or a co-headliner in a third book).

 

Tier 3:

 

Hawkman

Green Arrow

Guardian & Newsboy Legion

Sandman

 

(All of the above had some of the true attributes of popularity (without their own title), but not all of the following: (1) long run cover featured in their anthology, (2) member of team, (3) made it into the 50s.)

 

Tier 4:

 

Starman

Spectre

Doctor Fate

Hourman

Johnny Quick

 

(All of the above were popular, but to a lesser extent, as denoted by: (1) short run as cover featured in their anthology, (2) member of a team.)

 

 

Tier 5:

 

Heroes not cover-featured for their solo stories. Too many to rate. Some lasted a long time (Shining Knight), some maybe got a piece of one cover (Black Canary), some were part of a team (Vigilante and Atom) and got a cover appearance on that basis, some made it through the 50s (Aquaman), but all were essentially back-up features.

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