JIM 97 no way this was drawn by Kirby

[kav]

This was obviously Heck-I don't think Kirby even did the breakdowns-the panels have none of his trademark poses/backgrounds/camera angles etc. It's credited to Kirby with Heck inks but-no way. Has this been discussed re: value of the OA?

[drdroom]

Images would be helpful! Is the OA known to be around?

[Juswuh]

I've just had a look and I see plenty of Kirby there - not his most inspired job for sure, but no reason to think it's not his style.

[suspense39]

Picture?

[kav]

[suspense39]

Looks like Heck over Kirby to me. I love them both individually, but not my favorite team.

[glendgold]

It's Kirby pencils and Heck inks. If you want to see what Heck pencils and inks on Thor look like, turn a couple pages ahead to JIM 98-100. Those are even worse.

[kav]

thx Glen

Yeah Kirby was utterly overwhelmed by Heck-a dirty shame.

Even Coletta couldn't destroy Kirby but Heck sure could.

[suspense39]

I would say with Heck, he underwhelms Kirby. Many of the original pages I've seen them collaborate on are just a mess in person

[Terry Doyle]

Two different styles that are not ideally suited when in collaboration, even though I do like Don's solo stuff.

[Mephisto]

I've actually been reading these. Is it wrong I like Sinnott's work on JIM?

[kav]

No-unless you like it more than Kirby's. Then we send someone for you.

[Mephisto]

I'm pretty psyched to get my Thor on I have Masterworks 1-15 plus the Simonson books. It's gonna take me 20 years!

[zhamlau]

The funny part about Vince inks, when he took his time his light feathery inking style actually looks great...but the guy just rushed through things so quickly he ruined material consistently. He worked so fast he just up and erased details from backgrounds it seems and just did shapes or blank areas.

[drdroom]

Heck over Kirby often looks quite good, IMHO. This story looks to me like VERY loose Kirby pencils, near layout-quality, from the period when Kirby was plotting nearly every Marvel book.

[Dick Pontoon]

That's what I'd say as well. As an example, how about the Kirby Gods portfolio which was inked by Heck:

 

 

 

It's Kirby pencils and Heck inks. If you want to see what Heck pencils and inks on Thor look like, turn a couple pages ahead to JIM 98-100. Those are even worse.

 

Gold is a Heck Hater?

[alxjhnsn]

My appreciation of Don Heck improved when I read this book:

 

[drdroom]

That's what I'd say as well. As an example, how about the Kirby Gods portfolio which was inked by Heck:

 

 

 

Just to be a nitpicky nerd, the last image (the cover) was inked by Mike Royer. The point re: Heck's lovely inking stands of course!

[Dick Pontoon]

Just to be a nitpicker, I know it was Royer; the bottom image contains both the cover and a plate. I pulled it from the Kirby Museum website and just quickly wanted to post without downloading, editing and then uploading the image to my Photobucket.

[glendgold]

Gold is a Heck Hater?

 

No, his work generally leaves me indifferent, not irate. There's some Iron Man and Avengers work that I accept the existence of without wanting to question the moral nature of the universe. The exception is those stories where Stan told him to "do Kirby." I think JIM 98-100 are examples of that.

 

And when he's on Jack, it usually looks awkward. He inked a pretty good-looking Cap story, but the Thor, Giant-Man and Iron Man stuff makes me cringe. It's weird how good the Gods plates look, because that sketchy Bob Peake-ish line is nowhere to be found.