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[Speedy-D]

Boscoe and I had talked about GIJOE around Christmas when he was all over my $10 Mixed thread. Seemed like the most enthusiastic person I had ever had a PM about.

 

Constantly wanting lower price, add ons, etc. Annoying... but typical during a big sale for this type of activity.

 

It still amazes me the amount of cash this kid was able to sling around.

 

Here's your invoice sir...

 

ROY ROGERS # 50

ROY ROGERS # 53

MARVEL C. ITEM CLASSICS # 1

STAR WARS # 1 DARK HORSE

MASTER OF KUNG FU # 17

MARVEL SUPER HEROES # 12

X-FACTOR # 5

IRON FIST # 1

WARFRONT # 9

SPIDER-WOMAN # 1

STAR WARS # 2

STAR WARS # 3

STAR WARS # 4

STAR WARS # 6

STAR WARS BRITISH HARDBACK ANNUAL

CONAN # 6

CONAN # 7

CONAN # 8

CONAN # 9

HOPPY #14

HOPPY #15 - FREE

MARVEL GRAPHIC NOVEL # 4 - FREE

GUNSLINGER SLAB - FREE

 

$200 + USA Priority FLAT RATE Boxed $13 = $213

 

...also remember I'm throwing you some surprises in there too for the recap.

 

My paypal addy is under the following...

 

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Please PM me your ship address and I will get these puppies packed up and ready to go.

 

Appreciate you !

 

xxx ooo

 

Rupp

 

Some of those $10 books ended up in this last sale that got him busted and I PMd the person who bought those books telling them they were in no way the grades listed.

 

I would love to be able to say that I knew this guy was a kid by reading PM's like this one...

 

So will you ever consider trades for them? Scoob 1? ANYTHING MICHAEL! ANYTHING!!!! PWETTY PWEASE!

 

... but honestly, I have hundreds of PM's like this from adults

 

I understand this is a child we are all talking about... but the level of manipulation he perpetrated is staggering.

 

At 12 years old, this kid knew the system well enough to navigate ill begotten gains of hundreds of dollars.

 

These tactics are not something you just trip over in science class... you either learn them via buying and selling for years watching the practices unfold before your eyes... or someone shows you how to do them.

 

In my opinion, this is where the father has come in. Do I have any proof of this, hell no. Do I believe a 12 year old boy who just entered the hobby could attain this level of commerce deception, again hell no.

 

I blame the father all day long.

 

xxx ooo

 

Rupp

There's proof.

[comix4fun]

Rupp,

 

I know you probably already did this but save all that information about books being bought and sold at different grades and scans of yours and his if you found them.

 

You most likely did it already but I asked everyone yesterday to please preserve all the information they have regarding these types of transactions.

 

 

[A.Romeo]

Boscoe and I had talked about GIJOE around Christmas when he was all over my $10 Mixed thread. Seemed like the most enthusiastic person I had ever had a PM about.

 

Constantly wanting lower price, add ons, etc. Annoying... but typical during a big sale for this type of activity.

 

It still amazes me the amount of cash this kid was able to sling around.

 

Here's your invoice sir...

 

ROY ROGERS # 50

ROY ROGERS # 53

MARVEL C. ITEM CLASSICS # 1

STAR WARS # 1 DARK HORSE

MASTER OF KUNG FU # 17

MARVEL SUPER HEROES # 12

X-FACTOR # 5

IRON FIST # 1

WARFRONT # 9

SPIDER-WOMAN # 1

STAR WARS # 2

STAR WARS # 3

STAR WARS # 4

STAR WARS # 6

STAR WARS BRITISH HARDBACK ANNUAL

CONAN # 6

CONAN # 7

CONAN # 8

CONAN # 9

HOPPY #14

HOPPY #15 - FREE

MARVEL GRAPHIC NOVEL # 4 - FREE

GUNSLINGER SLAB - FREE

 

$200 + USA Priority FLAT RATE Boxed $13 = $213

 

...also remember I'm throwing you some surprises in there too for the recap.

 

My paypal addy is under the following...

 

--------

 

Please PM me your ship address and I will get these puppies packed up and ready to go.

 

Appreciate you !

 

xxx ooo

 

Rupp

 

Some of those $10 books ended up in this last sale that got him busted and I PMd the person who bought those books telling them they were in no way the grades listed.

 

I would love to be able to say that I knew this guy was a kid by reading PM's like this one...

 

So will you ever consider trades for them? Scoob 1? ANYTHING MICHAEL! ANYTHING!!!! PWETTY PWEASE!

 

... but honestly, I have hundreds of PM's like this from adults

 

I understand this is a child we are all talking about... but the level of manipulation he perpetrated is staggering.

 

At 12 years old, this kid knew the system well enough to navigate ill begotten gains of hundreds of dollars.

 

These tactics are not something you just trip over in science class... you either learn them via buying and selling for years watching the practices unfold before your eyes... or someone shows you how to do them.

 

In my opinion, this is where the father has come in. Do I have any proof of this, hell no. Do I believe a 12 year old boy who just entered the hobby could attain this level of commerce deception, again hell no.

 

I blame the father all day long.

 

xxx ooo

 

Rupp

 

Jsilverjanet was I still wrong to question if the father was involved in the beginning when you told me to shut up about it being a possibility?

[jsilverjanet]

 

Jsilverjanet was I still wrong to question if the father was involved in the beginning when you told me to shut up about it being a possibility?

 

Yes

[A.Romeo]

 

Jsilverjanet was I still wrong to question if the father was involved in the beginning when you told me to shut up about it being a possibility?

 

Yes

 

Your so angry why are you so angry

[Speedy-D]

 

Jsilverjanet was I still wrong to question if the father was involved in the beginning when you told me to shut up about it being a possibility?

 

Yes

You guys gotta hug it out. I know you're just trying to be my favorite, but there's room enough in this heart for the both of you.

[Bosco685]

Rupp,

 

I know you probably already did this but save all that information about books being bought and sold at different grades and scans of yours and his if you found them.

 

You most likely did it already but I asked everyone yesterday to please preserve all the information they have regarding these types of transactions.

 

 

Exactly!

 

Do not write this off just yet. You never know what may come through.

[Awax]

 

Jsilverjanet was I still wrong to question if the father was involved in the beginning when you told me to shut up about it being a possibility?

 

Yes

 

[Logan510]

I cant help it because it just keeps getting better

 

"Just got a lesson on Comic Book Grading from my boy. Do you know the difference between CGC and PGX gradings? Do you know the difference in value between and 8.4 and a 9.2 grading? Well neither did I but I understand more of it now. If you DON'T understand this AND you have comics collecting dust in the attic, CALL ME NOW! He's a buyer! Quite the little business man. He kept having to stop our conversation to respond to emails with other collectors. I asked him, '..they don't know you're 11 years old do they?' He said, 'NO WAY'. We DO monitor is email. However, he doesn't write like an 11 year old."

 

so dad was telling him to lie on the boards about his age?

 

Clearly there were a few key topics that were not covered in Bible camp.

 

Last points on this. Again, just my view of it.

 

I don't think this dad understands that the comic book industry is a serious industry! I just thinks he views comics, like most outside of the collecting world, as useless junk. To him, his son is buying and selling toys or "funny books". Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

"CALL ME NOW!....Quite the little business man." You guys really see this than anything other than a proud parent who is happy his soon to be teenage son isn't getting involved with drugs or gangs or getting in trouble at school?

 

"They don't know you're 11 years old do they?" --> maybe he just is so proud that his son acts as an "adult" and that people believe he's an adult. I don't read this as his father was behind the scenes - "yes son, yes! Rip off those comic book people out of $15 here in partial refunds or $20 there! Yess.... good....good. "

 

Man, I must be naive. I'm not trying to be sarcastic at all. I just view the situation so much differently than you guys!

 

 

 

[Logan510]

One of the things that personally saddens me about this situation is that a twelve year old boy apparently just views comics as commodities. There are enough adults around here who just see comics as $$$ and nothing more. IMHO a twelve year old should be reading and enjoying comics....the $$$ aspect shouldn't even factor in yet...again IMHO

[HarveySwick]

I cant help it because it just keeps getting better

 

"Just got a lesson on Comic Book Grading from my boy. Do you know the difference between CGC and PGX gradings? Do you know the difference in value between and 8.4 and a 9.2 grading? Well neither did I but I understand more of it now. If you DON'T understand this AND you have comics collecting dust in the attic, CALL ME NOW! He's a buyer! Quite the little business man. He kept having to stop our conversation to respond to emails with other collectors. I asked him, '..they don't know you're 11 years old do they?' He said, 'NO WAY'. We DO monitor is email. However, he doesn't write like an 11 year old."

 

so dad was telling him to lie on the boards about his age?

 

Clearly there were a few key topics that were not covered in Bible camp.

 

Last points on this. Again, just my view of it.

 

I don't think this dad understands that the comic book industry is a serious industry! I just thinks he views comics, like most outside of the collecting world, as useless junk. To him, his son is buying and selling toys or "funny books". Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

"CALL ME NOW!....Quite the little business man." You guys really see this than anything other than a proud parent who is happy his soon to be teenage son isn't getting involved with drugs or gangs or getting in trouble at school?

 

"They don't know you're 11 years old do they?" --> maybe he just is so proud that his son acts as an "adult" and that people believe he's an adult. I don't read this as his father was behind the scenes - "yes son, yes! Rip off those comic book people out of $15 here in partial refunds or $20 there! Yess.... good....good. "

 

Man, I must be naive. I'm not trying to be sarcastic at all. I just view the situation so much differently than you guys!

 

 

[jsilverjanet]

somehow I suspect MikeNYC showing up in a bit...

[JAM_NYC]

 

Jsilverjanet was I still wrong to question if the father was involved in the beginning when you told me to shut up about it being a possibility?

 

Yes

You guys gotta hug it out. I know you're just trying to be my favorite, but there's room enough in this heart for the both of you.

[DavidTheDavid]

I work with middle schoolers. One reason I enjoy working with kids is that there is always room for forgiveness and redemption, and I find it much easier to have patience for them.

 

That said, I have had students in my classroom that did nothing more than spoil the environment for everyone else. As far as I am concerned, I can forgive them, and then they can go seek redemption somewhere else.

 

I don't know this kid, don't know his dad, but I'd say as long as he's gone from the community, so much the better. I hope he learns from this, and his parents should do the same, it seems. And just to say it, we should learn from this, too.

 

Other than those seeking recourse on purchases, looks to me like a time to wash one's hands and move right along.

Edited February 8, 2014 by DavidTheDavid

[thehumantorch]

Let's not forget this was a 12 year old kid. He's smart but still immature and obviously hasn't learned enough about ethics and how his lies can affect others. How many of us did stupid things at this age and how many of us had the maturity to match our intelligence?

 

Stringing him up, sending him to jail, stalking him on-line, that's not how to deal with a child. This kid needs help. I pray that his dad didn't understand that his son was using dishonest methods to make a profit and I pray that his parents will step in and teach him about honesty and ethics.

 

This event also makes me wonder how many other underage members we have.

[comix4fun]

Let's not forget this was a 12 year old kid. He's smart but still immature and obviously hasn't learned enough about ethics and how his lies can affect others. How many of us did stupid things at this age and how many of us had the maturity to match our intelligence?

 

Stringing him up, sending him to jail, stalking him on-line, that's not how to deal with a child. This kid needs help. I pray that his dad didn't understand that his son was using dishonest methods to make a profit and I pray that his parents will step in and teach him about honesty and ethics.

 

This event also makes me wonder how many other underage members we have.

 

 

All true.

 

He needs to make amends for what he's done. Pay back the people he lied to to get partial refunds, and (if he overgraded) refund the people that he took on that end of deals.

 

I pray someone shows him the error in his ways, that the end doesn't justify any means.

 

There are many ways to make money and just as many to lose one's integrity.

[awakeintheashes]

It seems to me if this kid wasn't so smug about his actions he wouldn't be getting this much flak,but since it seems he thought he was so much more intelligent then people up four times older then him, and bragging about fooling people I can see why some of the people he said to have pulled one over on are so irritated about it. But can anybody really do anything about it? Tell the girl he has a crush on that he peed his pants, or trip him in the hall way, knock over his lunch tray? He's 12 and being banned from these boards is probably the worse thing we can do to him since he can no longer sell or talk about comics with people which seemed to have been all he did in his life since signing up. Though I suspect he's jut gonna try and make a shill, or sign up to another forum.

 

For anyone who buys on the Blowout forum, please remember this and keep an eye out for any of the books mentioned in this thread.

Edited February 8, 2014 by awakeintheashes

[Bio-Rupp]

Let's not forget this was a 12 year old kid. He's smart but still immature and obviously hasn't learned enough about ethics and how his lies can affect others. How many of us did stupid things at this age and how many of us had the maturity to match our intelligence?

 

Stringing him up, sending him to jail, stalking him on-line, that's not how to deal with a child. This kid needs help. I pray that his dad didn't understand that his son was using dishonest methods to make a profit and I pray that his parents will step in and teach him about honesty and ethics.

 

This event also makes me wonder how many other underage members we have.

 

 

All true.

 

He needs to make amends for what he's done. Pay back the people he lied to to get partial refunds, and (if he overgraded) refund the people that he took on that end of deals.

 

I pray someone shows him the error in his ways, that the end doesn't justify any means.

 

There are many ways to make money and just as many to lose one's integrity.

 

Chris, just to throw this out there... since many of us sellers were selling to a minor... can't his father, and or family, legally demand that we refund him for merch sold to him?

 

I assume this, deception on his part or not, since he isn't old enough to enter into a legally binding contract.

 

xxx ooo

 

Rupp

[Speedy-D]

Let's not forget this was a 12 year old kid. He's smart but still immature and obviously hasn't learned enough about ethics and how his lies can affect others. How many of us did stupid things at this age and how many of us had the maturity to match our intelligence?

 

Stringing him up, sending him to jail, stalking him on-line, that's not how to deal with a child. This kid needs help. I pray that his dad didn't understand that his son was using dishonest methods to make a profit and I pray that his parents will step in and teach him about honesty and ethics.

 

This event also makes me wonder how many other underage members we have.

 

 

All true.

 

He needs to make amends for what he's done. Pay back the people he lied to to get partial refunds, and (if he overgraded) refund the people that he took on that end of deals.

 

I pray someone shows him the error in his ways, that the end doesn't justify any means.

 

There are many ways to make money and just as many to lose one's integrity.

 

Chris, just to throw this out there... since many of us sellers were selling to a minor... can't his father, and or family, legally demand that we refund him for merch sold to him?

 

I assume this, deception on his part or not, since he isn't old enough to enter into a legally binding contract.

 

xxx ooo

 

Rupp

Since I'm not a lawyer and don't know jack about the law, let me answer this one for you.

 

Seems his father was at least partially participating in his buying/selling, so maybe that mitigates?

[Bosco685]

Seems his father was at least partially participating in his buying/selling, so maybe that mitigates?

 

Just was thinking of posting that.

 

By the way, does anyone use software like Snag-It that can copy videos from online? Someone may want to grab that video as potential evidence in case the father decides to take it down and claim he has no idea what anyone is talking about.