vodou Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 58 minutes ago, grapeape said: Certain pieces took blood and tears to obtain. 58 minutes ago, grapeape said: It has intrinsic personal value that money alone can’t equate for. I can't be the only collector that remembers the exact circumstances of how every single piece was acquired. Sure, some were easy -just pay the price, but so many others took a lot of searching, networking, not buying four other things and thus luckily having the funds a week later for that other thing that pops up, etc. To those of us that did the gymnastics and remember the energy and complexity so many situations required, a swap for "a small pile of cash" just doesn't do it. The "how" stories are sometimes worth more to me than the art is worth to the market too. Those are the really easy pieces to hang onto. Stefanomjr and AnkurJ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, vodou said: I can't be the only collector that remembers the exact circumstances of how every single piece was acquired. Sure, some were easy -just pay the price, but so many others took a lot of searching, networking, not buying four other things and thus luckily having the funds a week later for that other thing that pops up, etc. To those of us that did the gymnastics and remember the energy and complexity so many situations required, a swap for "a small pile of cash" just doesn't do it. The "how" stories are sometimes worth more to me than the art is worth to the market too. Those are the really easy pieces to hang onto. Bingo. That’s the part that money can’t buy. It buys the art yes. But the work to gather funds and pull off a deal, or to find what you’ve been looking for (needle in a haystack) is what stays with you. The war stories you share with yourself and other collectors. I’ve had people logically explain why I should take an amount they are offering me for a piece. You can always buy something else they say. I’m giving you way more then you paid for it. The potential buyer rarely cares what you had to do to obtain it. i once placed a winning bid on an auction from the dentist chair while getting a root canal. i once paid $4500 for a piece of art in 1997 which was all the money I had in a savings account as a young family man with two young children. Still have it and those who laughed are applauding my foresight today. i once outworked the cocky Los Bros and the charming Glennru and bought a Kirby Captain America cover from Jacks friend that had never come up for sale publicly. its those stories, those experiences that are worth more then money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkurJ Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I’ve opened quite the can of worms. Perhaps a new thread should be started? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 48 minutes ago, grapeape said: i once outworked the cocky Los Bros and the charming Glennru and bought a Kirby Captain America cover from Jacks friend that had never come up for sale publicly. Huh huh! This is one I'd like to know more about...first two rounds on me, someday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, AnkurJ said: I’ve opened quite the can of worms. Perhaps a new thread should be started? Just don’t use the word politics in it or ....whoosh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 hours ago, vodou said: Huh huh! This is one I'd like to know more about...first two rounds on me, someday? Absolutely my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 hours ago, AnkurJ said: I’ve opened quite the can of worms. Perhaps a new thread should be started? nah this one is fun ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GotSuperPowers? Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 John Paul Leon Earth X DPS September 15 2019, sold at $1080, plus shipping/taxes https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/john-paul-leon-and-bill-reinhold-earth-x-5-double-splash-page-4-and-5-original-art-marvel-1999-/a/121937-15167.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 Now on CAF at $2,500, 2 weeks later https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1579886&GSub=195606 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkurJ Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) Scratch that Edited October 1, 2019 by AnkurJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobrac Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 3 hours ago, GotSuperPowers? said: John Paul Leon Earth X DPS September 15 2019, sold at $1080, plus shipping/taxes https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/john-paul-leon-and-bill-reinhold-earth-x-5-double-splash-page-4-and-5-original-art-marvel-1999-/a/121937-15167.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 Now on CAF at $2,500, 2 weeks later https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1579886&GSub=195606 It went down to $2100. Keep up the good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 7 hours ago, lobrac said: It went down to $2100. Keep up the good work. Now it’s up to 2400 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkurJ Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 17 hours ago, vodou said: I can't be the only collector that remembers the exact circumstances of how every single piece was acquired. Sure, some were easy -just pay the price, but so many others took a lot of searching, networking, not buying four other things and thus luckily having the funds a week later for that other thing that pops up, etc. To those of us that did the gymnastics and remember the energy and complexity so many situations required, a swap for "a small pile of cash" just doesn't do it. The "how" stories are sometimes worth more to me than the art is worth to the market too. Those are the really easy pieces to hang onto. You’re absolutely right! Some pieces have better stories than others but most do hold nostalgia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, AnkurJ said: most do hold nostalgia. Double nostalgia, once you've been collecting for a decade or two. Flip through that stack or folio, however you store them, and relive not just the art as totem for the comic as a kid but also the later experience of latching onto the art. Alas, this is the flipper thread...so most of the names popping up here are all business, if they had heart once you'd be forgiven for wondering where it went... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post romitaman Posted October 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) i actually agree with Mike H (vodou) here..... The stories on how certain collection art was acquired is actually as fun to talk about as much as owning the art itself. I have so many amazing stories...many i've shared here..and they are fun to rehash from time to time.... with people who appreciate our hobby of course. I got laughed at by other collectors and dealers for about 10 years for being mainly the #1 guy collecting and paying retail at the time for Romita amazing Spider-man art from october 1989 (when I first got into the hobby) to about 1997.... I was trading Kirby and every other high end artists work for Romita ASM for that entire early decade of the 1990's at value for value, and I was laughed at a lot for doing that. then Glen Brunswick came in the hobby...and the Romita art market changed......... LOL. As for this flipping thread...... I flip art every day practically. that's what you do when you sell art . If you don't know what you are doing, you go out of business real quick and/or you stop selling or leave the hobby having lost money you invested. Not sure why people think flipping art is bad...... if you have it too high it wont move......and you are losing $$$ on your investment......... some people are ok with that...i'm not.... i choose to move art and work deals out in trade or cash / trade that work if i've had art too long. This works for me...others choose to keep art for many years and even decades without it selling....... everyone has their own business model on what art is worth to them. I always tell people..if you want something on my website i've had for a long time...i will "ALWAYS" give a discount (within reason) to work a deal out. Is that not common sense thinking? My ASM art collection is the only art i have that I choose to hold onto for the long haul..BUT.....if someone asks and i get an offer that makes me feel it's worth selling....I SELL! Edited October 1, 2019 by romitaman Mighty Hal, grapeape, Michael Browning and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, romitaman said: i actually agree with Mike H (vodou) here..... The stories on how certain collection art was acquired is actually as fun to talk about as much as owning the art itself. I have so many amazing stories...many i've shared here..and they are fun to rehash from time to time.... with people who appreciate our hobby of course. I got laughed at by other collectors and dealers for about 10 years for being mainly the #1 guy collecting and paying retail at the time for Romita amazing Spider-man art from october 1989 (when I first got into the hobby) to about 1997.... I was trading Kirby and every other high end artists work for Romita ASM for that entire early decade of the 1990's at value for value, and I was laughed at a lot for doing that. then Glen Brunswick came in the hobby...and the Romita art market changed......... LOL. As for this flipping thread...... I flip art every day practically. that's what you do when you sell art . If you don't know what you are doing, you go out of business real quick and/or you stop selling or leave the hobby having lost money you invested. Not sure why people think flipping art is bad...... if you have it too high it wont move......and you are losing $$$ on your investment......... some people are ok with that...i'm not.... i choose to move art and work deals out in trade or cash / trade that work if i've had art too long. This works for me...others choose to keep art for many years and even decades without it selling....... everyone has their own business model on what art is worth to them. I always tell people..if you want something on my website i've had for a long time...i will "ALWAYS" give a discount (within reason) to work a deal out. Is that not common sense thinking? My ASM art collection is the only art i have that I choose to hold onto for the long haul..BUT.....if someone asks and i get an offer that makes me feel it's worth selling....I SELL! Still amazes me how there were hardcore hardheads that didn’t recognize Romita as a great artist. That was maybe one factor that worked in your favor Mike. Michael Browning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamouspure22 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 7 hours ago, romitaman said: i I got laughed at by other collectors and dealers for about 10 years for being mainly the #1 guy collecting and paying retail at the time for Romita amazing Spider-man art from october 1989 (when I first got into the hobby) to about 1997.... I was trading Kirby and every other high end artists work for Romita ASM for that entire early decade of the 1990's at value for value, and I was laughed at a lot for doing that. That's how I feel about Humberto Ramos art. I get that for collectors who grew up reading art in the 70-90s (as I did), the modern/current story lines or characters might not have any significance. I understand that Ramos' style of art is very different from the old school greats. I've had hundreds of pieces of great art pass through my hands from almost every main artist you could think of, but I've never sought after or held on to any other art as strongly as I do for Ramos art. To each their own I know... but I think at some point, older collectors who laugh at me now will figure out that for the last decade or so Ramos has been a major Spider-Man artist. And guys who grew up reading him (like we read kirby, perez, byrne, etc) who may someday become the next generation of OA collectors, will find out that the vast majority of Ramos Spider-Man pieces are owned by a VERY small handful of collectors. Pete Marino, romitaman, MagnusX and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, Infamouspure22 said: That's how I feel about Humberto Ramos art. I get that for collectors who grew up reading art in the 70-90s (as I did), the modern/current story lines or characters might not have any significance. I understand that Ramos' style of art is very different from the old school greats. I've had hundreds of pieces of great art pass through my hands from almost every main artist you could think of, but I've never sought after or held on to any other art as strongly as I do for Ramos art. To each their own I know... but I think at some point, older collectors who laugh at me now will figure out that for the last decade or so Ramos has been a major Spider-Man artist. And guys who grew up reading him (like we read kirby, perez, byrne, etc) who may someday become the next generation of OA collectors, will find out that the vast majority of Ramos Spider-Man pieces are owned by a VERY small handful of collectors. It happens all the time. Ramos has respect and buzz and no doubt the future will bring deeper understanding of his contributions. Infamouspure22 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 21 hours ago, romitaman said: i actually agree with Mike H (vodou) here..... The stories on how certain collection art was acquired is actually as fun to talk about as much as owning the art itself. I have so many amazing stories...many i've shared here..and they are fun to rehash from time to time.... with people who appreciate our hobby of course. I got laughed at by other collectors and dealers for about 10 years for being mainly the #1 guy collecting and paying retail at the time for Romita amazing Spider-man art from october 1989 (when I first got into the hobby) to about 1997.... I was trading Kirby and every other high end artists work for Romita ASM for that entire early decade of the 1990's at value for value, and I was laughed at a lot for doing that. then Glen Brunswick came in the hobby...and the Romita art market changed......... LOL. As for this flipping thread...... I flip art every day practically. that's what you do when you sell art . If you don't know what you are doing, you go out of business real quick and/or you stop selling or leave the hobby having lost money you invested. Not sure why people think flipping art is bad...... if you have it too high it wont move......and you are losing $$$ on your investment......... some people are ok with that...i'm not.... i choose to move art and work deals out in trade or cash / trade that work if i've had art too long. This works for me...others choose to keep art for many years and even decades without it selling....... everyone has their own business model on what art is worth to them. I always tell people..if you want something on my website i've had for a long time...i will "ALWAYS" give a discount (within reason) to work a deal out. Is that not common sense thinking? My ASM art collection is the only art i have that I choose to hold onto for the long haul..BUT.....if someone asks and i get an offer that makes me feel it's worth selling....I SELL! I don’t think selling to buy or visa-versa is wrong, but when someone buys something on day 1 for, say, $100, and then tries to sell it on day 2 for $300, at what is then over-market, I definitely like to read about that. It serves as a warning, and is somewhat funny, too, particularly if it doesn’t sell. Schadenfraude. Or, it is a reminder of a good deal we all missed. retronymXX, Twanj and AnkurJ 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase4 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 10:39 AM, batman_fan said: overpay above a reasonable market price. Happens in comics all the time. Showcase4 on the boards is a pretty good example. He sure is! (Was... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post romitaman Posted October 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) On 10/1/2019 at 4:42 PM, grapeape said: Still amazes me how there were hardcore hardheads that didn’t recognize Romita as a great artist. That was maybe one factor that worked in your favor Mike. In the 90's...... i was told by nearly every art collector who was collecting a lot longer than me that John Romita Sr. simply drew..."THE MARVEL WAY" He has zero style and his art would never be special to anyone. I have to confess...i collected John Romita art right from the beginning because Romita Sr and Ross Andru ASM was the cheapest Spiderman art you could buy! Ditko ASM pages were $1000 and up already in 1989-1990...... McFarlane interiors were 300 and up in 1990-92 and even RON FRENZ interior ASM pages were selling for more than John Romita LARGE ART ASM pages in the early 1990s!!! I still have a 1992 or 1993 purchase receipt From Mitch I were i bought his last 20 large art ASM Romita pages he had in inventory... all were between 40-75 dollars, with a 2/3 splash from ASM 47 being 125 dollars. and on the VERY SAME invoice i also bought 4 Ron Frenz ASM pages for 150 each! I also bought on that invoice both ASM annual 21 Romita wedding covers for 200 bucks each.... But my point is...THAT WAS THE MARKET BACK THEN!!!!! Don't ever think i was so smart...I got rid of all my ASM Romita covers around 1997-1998 when they were going for 5k..as i felt they couldn't ever possibly sell for higher. I felt that people will pay 1000 for an ASM Romita page in the future but no way will collectors pay over 5k for an ASM Romita cover, as the buying pool of collectors at that number woukld be quite low... I certainly blew that one..........LOL But i did always use my ASM cover money sales to buy more ASM interiors and splashes...so it all worked out in the long run, and i'm certainly thankful and quite happy that I was at the right place and collected at the right time to get what i could before the auctions and Ebay exploded the art collecting world as we know it.. Mike Edited October 17, 2019 by romitaman grapeape, Twanj, Pete Marino and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...