FF-1 or JIM-83 or ASM-1 1 1

[namisgr]

1 hour ago, Jaydogrules said:

Enough with nostalgia and emotion, that's boring and irrelevant.  Let's try looking at actual recent, comparable data points:

0.5-  ASM1 - $1800 4/17, FF1 -  $1107 5/17 - ASM1 advantage

1.0-  FF1 - $2200 5/17, ASM 1 - $1912 6/17 - FF1 advantage

1.0 (Sig Series)-  ASM1 - $2895 7/17, FF1 - $1461 3/17 - ASM1 advantage

1.5-  FF1 - $2500 6/17, ASM1 - $2145 5/17 - FF1 advantage

1.8-  ASM1 - $3250 5/17, FF1 - $2650 4/17 - ASM1 advantage

1.8 (Sig series)-  ASM1 - $3150 7/17, FF1 - $2050 3/17 - ASM1 advantage

2.0-  FF1 - $4780 9/17, ASM1 - $3700 8/17 - FF1 advantage

2.5-  ASM1 - $4000 7/17, FF1 - $3824 5/17 - ASM1 advantage

3.0-  ASM1 - $4300 8/17, FF1 - $4000 7/17 - ASM1 advantage

3.5-  ASM1 - $5300 7/17, FF1 - $4800 8/17 - ASM1 advantage

4.0-  ASM1 - $5500 8/17, FF1 - $4852 4/17 - ASM1 advantage

4.5-  ASM 1 - $6000 7/17 (12 month average $6058), FF1 - $6000 7/17 (12 month average $5500) - ASM1 advantage

6.0-  FF1 - $19,120 8/11, ASM1 - $13,145 5/17 - FF1 advantage

6.5-  FF1 - $15,535 6/17, ASM1 $11,450 6/17 - FF1 advantage

7.5-  FF1 - $23,500 3/17, ASM1 - $18,600 8/17 - FF1 advantage

8.0-  FF1 - $35,000 3/17, ASM1 - $30,000 7/17 - FF1 advantage

 

You stopped at an arbitrary grade.

8.5 - FF1 advantage

9.0 - FF1 advantage

9.4 - FF1 advantage

So even if you have the distorted notion that the 'value' of a comic book to the collecting hobby is restricted to its cash value in the marketplace, Fantastic Four #1 has more.  When the value of the two books is considered more broadly to include the regard and the importance to the medium, it's no contest.  And for these reasons, many more board members consider FF #1 to have more value than ASM #1.

But I'm sure every board member appreciates you speaking for them by using the royal 'we all' in writing your personal opinion.

Edited September 8, 2017 by namisgr

[Jaydogrules]

3 hours ago, namisgr said:

You stopped at an arbitrary grade.

8.5 - FF1 advantage

9.0 - FF1 advantage

9.4 - FF1 advantage

So even if you have the distorted notion that the 'value' of a comic book to the collecting hobby is restricted to its cash value in the marketplace, Fantastic Four #1 has more.  When the value of the two books is considered more broadly to include the regard and the importance to the medium, it's no contest.  And for these reasons, many more board members consider FF #1 to have more value than ASM #1.

But I'm sure every board member appreciates you speaking for them by using the royal 'we all' in writing your personal opinion.

No, I didn't.  I included all public sales where there were same grade sales from this year, within a reasonable time frame of each other.  I don't know where you are divining your data for 8.5, 9.0, or 9.4 sales, but they do not exist in the public forum., and I already stated that FF1 still performs somewhat better than ASM1 in the higher grades anyway (for the moment, at least). 

And, as an interesting side note, the way I compiled this list actually gave an advantage to FF1, which had a number of outlier-ish looking sales that superficially make it look like it is outperforming ASM1 in a few of the grades noted above (1.0, 1.5, and 2.0).  In reality, the picture is even bleaker for FF1, as, when you look at the 12 month averages for those grades 1.0, 1.5 and 2.0 it loses even more badly to ASM 1:

1.0 (12 Month Average) - ASM1 - $1781, FF1 - $1584 - ASM1 Real Advantage

1.5 (12 Month Average) - ASM1 - $2733, FF1 - $2138 - ASM 1 Real Advantage

2.0 (12 Month Average) - ASM1 - $3217, FF1 - $3132 - ASM1 Real Advantange

FYI, ASM1 wins in the 12 month averages as well in all corresponding grades that it has the advantage, so if you look at 12 month averages it gets worse for FF1, and really shines a light on what's going on in the marketplace:

ASM1 (Real) Advantage - 12 grades

FF1 Advantage - 5 grades

There's nothing "distorted" about looking at how books are selling relative to each other to determine "value".  In fact that is probably the most objective and clinical way of doing it.   And the language of the poll isn't asking for which book is more "important".  That's the kind of question where emotions and nostalgia might be more relevant.  Me personally, I think ASM1 is also more important than FF1- it's issue #1 of Marvel's most popular character in his first, long running, and flagship title and is tied for having the first MU crossover, while FF1 is neither considered to be the start of the SA (SC4), nor the first integrated team concept (BB28).  From a contemporary perspective, FF1 isn't even published anymore and when it was, its sales were dismal, the film rights are not with Marvel, and one bad, failed movie after another have all but destroyed the brand.  Meanwhile Spider-man remains in publication, in multiple titles, still headlines Marvel's top selling solo character title, and is the cornerstone of a multi-studio, multi-film, multi-billion dollar franchise, and sells more merchandise worldwide than any other character. 

Perhaps this is why we are seeing ASM1 overtaking FF1 in most grades. 

-J.

 

Edited September 8, 2017 by Jaydogrules

[Sweet Lou 14]

Yeah, but I really like Thor.

 

[nrad1968]

FF were the first superhero team for Marvel and paved the way but no way FF1 has more value than ASM1....let's be real, the FF are a side act compared to Spider-man

[Glassman10]

FF1 but  Really, first, AF15, then down the spiderhole. Contestants to their corners!

ASM simply creates demand and demand is the arbiter of the dog and pony show. For me   VISA stock. 

[Bomber-Bob]

On 9/8/2017 at 11:32 AM, Jaydogrules said:

FF1, and really shines a light on what's going on in the marketplace:

 

Perhaps this is why we are seeing ASM1 overtaking FF1 in most grades. 

-J.

 

I would vote for the book with the better PAGE QUALITY !!!  

[Dark Knight]

The Asm 1's in both CL and CC sold very well. Looks like the arrow is pointing up.

[Jaydogrules]

1 hour ago, Bomber-Bob said:

I would vote for the book with the better PAGE QUALITY !!!  

-J.