@therealsilvermane Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 On 10/12/2021 at 7:58 AM, fantastic_four said: One thing I find confusing about the MCU Eternals is why they look like the different Earth races. In the comics the Eternals on Earth were derived millions of years ago from humanity's ancestor erectus as shown in the page below from What If? #23. This artificial DNA acceleration would be very unlikely to follow the same evolutionary path that humanity did with the various races from different regions that evolved on Earth, so why are they all so representative of different regions? They must have monkeyed with the comic origins of the Eternals in some way we'll see in a few weeks, I suppose. In the trailer one of the Eternals says they came to Earth 7000 years ago. Does that mean the MCU Eternals aren't even derived from the DNA of humanity's ancestors on Earth? Yes, I believe these MCU Eternals will be alien Celestial creations who are not derived from Terrans(earthlings). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantastic_four Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) On 10/12/2021 at 8:02 AM, @therealsilvermane said: Yes, I believe these MCU Eternals will be alien Celestial creations who are not derived from Terrans(earthlings). So why is every one of them representative of such obviously-varied Terran human races? In a film that wasn't specifically about a group of aliens who travel around the universe genetically engineering life you could easily assume that the diversity is due to Marvel trying to represent multiple ethnicities for the audience's sake, but here it can't be that simple--their races have to explicitly relate to the story in some way. Edited October 12, 2021 by fantastic_four Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@therealsilvermane Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 On 10/12/2021 at 9:01 AM, fantastic_four said: So why is every one of them representative of such obviously-varied Terran human races? In a film that wasn't specifically about a group of aliens who travel around the universe genetically engineering life you could easily assume that the diversity is due to Marvel trying to represent multiple ethnicities, but here it can't be that simple--their races have to explicitly relate to the story. If you look at the cosmic MCU films past, mainly all the Thor films, Guardians of the Galaxy 1 &2, and Captain Marvel, they all have alien characters with different skin colors, including black and brown. I guess all humanoid races throughout the galaxy evolved with varying skin colors. It's not just an Earth thing apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantastic_four Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) On 10/12/2021 at 9:05 AM, @therealsilvermane said: If you look at the cosmic MCU films past, mainly all the Thor films, Guardians of the Galaxy 1 &2, and Captain Marvel, they all have alien characters with different skin colors, including black and brown. I guess all humanoid races throughout the galaxy evolved with varying skin colors. It's not just an Earth thing apparently The skin color makes sense for any planet. On Earth that evolved relative to the climate in the region they lived in, so the idea of other planets having varied climates on different parts of the planet seems likely. What doesn't make as much sense is every other genetic adaptation that mirrors Terran races, i.e. Sersi being Chinese, Phastos being African-American, Ajak being Mexican, Ikaris being Scottish, etc. Even each actor's natural accents are intact in the trailers, so these characters seem VERY tied to Earth's specific geographical distribution of genetic and cultural characteristics. Edited October 12, 2021 by fantastic_four Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Quote So we all remember how great the Ship Of Theseus conversation between Vision and White Vision was, not to mention how great Vision’s Grief speech was. Now that the Eternals have been divided between the Fighters and Thinkers, not only are the action scenes going to be amazing, but imagine how deep, spiritual, and intellectual the conversations will be too! Larryw7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantastic_four Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 It just occurred to me that the racial and ethnic variety is easy to explain. In the comics the Celestials simply released the Eternals together as a group millions of years ago, but perhaps in the MCU the Celestials engineered the Eternals much later, i.e. 7000 years ago, and they specifically engineered them to be deployed in a geographically distributed way, so Nezzar the Calculator may have specifically engineered each one to match the genetic characteristics of the people in the region they were to be deployed to. My main problem is I don't fully understand the motivation of the Celestials to begin with. I get why the Deviants exist, but why did the Celestials release them? Seems like Ziran the Tester would just destroy the Deviants as evolutionary dead ends as opposed to allowing them to exist at all. Why did they set up this fight between the Deviants and Eternals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@therealsilvermane Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 On 10/12/2021 at 9:30 AM, fantastic_four said: The skin color makes sense for any planet. On Earth that evolved relative to the climate in the region they lived in, so the idea of other planets having varied climates on different parts of the planet seems likely. What doesn't make as much sense is every other genetic adaptation that mirrors Terran races, i.e. Sersi being Chinese, Phastos being African-American, Ajak being Mexican, Ikaris being Scottish, etc. Even each actor's natural accents are intact in the trailers, so these characters seem VERY tied to Earth's specific geographical distribution of genetic and cultural characteristics. Heimdall (from Thor) and Korath (from Guardians) were black, Hogun (from Thor) was Asian with an Asian accent, most of the Xandarians (from Guardians) were white folks with midwest American and British accents, the Grandmaster is Jeff Goldblum, Topaz (the Grandmaster's right hand woman) was brownish, some Kree from Captain Marvel are white with British accents and some are black and blue, etc. Unless specific aliens in the MCU have unearthly colors like pink or purple or have prosthetic make-up, they resemble Earthlings. It is what it is? Best not to think about it too deep? I actually prefer that the MCU is assuming that not all aliens in the galaxy are automatically white folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantastic_four Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) On 10/12/2021 at 10:00 AM, @therealsilvermane said: Unless specific aliens in the MCU have unearthly colors like pink or purple or have prosthetic make-up, they resemble Earthlings. It is what it is? Best not to think about it too deep? In those other MCU works that aren't about Celestials genetically engineering life around the galaxy--sure. It's the same basic explanation for why space movies have so many humanoids when in reality it's unlikely humanoids would evolve on any other planet--it's because stories are created for humans, so yea, there are a bunch of humanoids in them because that's what humans want to see. It doesn't make sense, but I'm willing to suspend disbelief because we know why writers put so many humanoids on other planets. In this one I can't BEGIN to imagine being at all interested in this story without thinking about the genetics of the Celestials' creations. Edited October 12, 2021 by fantastic_four TupennyConan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@therealsilvermane Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) On 10/12/2021 at 10:06 AM, fantastic_four said: In those other MCU works that aren't about Celestials genetically engineering life around the galaxy--sure. It's the same basic explanation for why space movies have so many humanoids when in reality it's unlikely humanoids would evolve on any other planet--it's because stories are created for humans, so yea, there are a bunch of humanoids in them because that's what humans want to see. It doesn't make sense, but I'm willing to suspend disbelief because we know why writers put so many humanoids on other planets. In this one I can't BEGIN to imagine being at all interested in this story without thinking about the genetics of the Celestials' creations. If one wants to try to guess a reasoning why the Eternals might be so diverse in the movie, it could be because of the make-up of the people of Earth 7000 years ago. I think it's theorized that early humans were more brownish and had their origins in Asia and Africa. So maybe these Eternals were created to resemble the Terrans they were helping or defending (from Deviants) so that the Terrans wouldn't be so fearful of them? In other words, if these Eternals were created with blue or pink skin, perhaps early humans might be just as fearful of them as they are of these Deviant creatures running around. Which is kind of what you theorized one or two posts above. Edited October 12, 2021 by @therealsilvermane jimjum12 and Ken Aldred 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) Eternals’ First-Day Advance Tickets Beating ‘Shang-Chi’ & ‘Black Widow who needs a PR dept. when you have the Deadline hype machine in full roar? Way too early US BO guess (if Metacritic >70): $240MM (much like S-C in Sept, has nearly the entire month of November to itself) Edited October 14, 2021 by paperheart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@therealsilvermane Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Another "woke" MCU film to put the haters to bed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larryw7 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 I wish the woke would take a nap. bentbryan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 22 more days...... Larryw7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted October 14, 2021 Author Share Posted October 14, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 11:34 PM, Larryw7 said: I wish the woke would take a nap. Female Eskimo Wolverine will show them the way. You'll see. bentbryan, theCapraAegagrus, Larryw7 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 10:03 PM, JollyComics said: 22 more days...... TupennyConan and HighVoltage 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kav Posted October 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2021 On 10/12/2021 at 6:55 AM, fantastic_four said: It just occurred to me that the racial and ethnic variety is easy to explain. In the comics the Celestials simply released the Eternals together as a group millions of years ago, but perhaps in the MCU the Celestials engineered the Eternals much later, i.e. 7000 years ago, and they specifically engineered them to be deployed in a geographically distributed way, so Nezzar the Calculator may have specifically engineered each one to match the genetic characteristics of the people in the region they were to be deployed to. My main problem is I don't fully understand the motivation of the Celestials to begin with. I get why the Deviants exist, but why did the Celestials release them? Seems like Ziran the Tester would just destroy the Deviants as evolutionary dead ends as opposed to allowing them to exist at all. Why did they set up this fight between the Deviants and Eternals? Remember youre talking abt Jack Kirby who made all this stuff up. Dont look for logic. silverseeker, greggy, bentbryan and 3 others 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 5:39 PM, paperheart said: Eternals’ First-Day Advance Tickets Beating ‘Shang-Chi’ & ‘Black Widow who needs a PR dept. when you have the Deadline hype machine in full roar? Way too early US BO guess (if Metacritic >70): $240MM (much like S-C in Sept, has nearly the entire month of November to itself) I am not surprised. I was not interested in the film until I saw the trailer before Shang-Chi. Now I am looking forward to seeing it. Hopefully it meets my increased expectations.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted October 16, 2021 Author Share Posted October 16, 2021 bentbryan, HighVoltage and sagekilz 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantastic_four Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I'm seeing the review embargo lifts October 24th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted October 18, 2021 Author Share Posted October 18, 2021 On 10/17/2021 at 5:49 PM, fantastic_four said: I'm seeing the review embargo lifts October 24th. Calling it right now after critic reviews of last few films: BEST MCU MOVIE EVER LIKE NONE OTHER - A MUST-SEE! A TRUE MASTERPIECE Muno42 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...