miraclemet Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 @Flamesfan1982 from your perspective do you think you are giving up as much as everyone else says? Would love to know your thinking behind the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPR Comics Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 This is a nice looking 4.5 and what looks to be a legit Stan sig. You might be able to trade one book and get cash back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamesfan1982 Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 I haven't sent anything the other way and wanted the opinion of this board. It just took a day to get approved. Initially he accepted an ASM 129 cbcs 9.0 but then decided he wanted the GSXM. I got tunnel vision on the X Men 1 and not really knowing the potential growth compared to my books I told him I will agree to it once I do a little research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Cool Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Tricky subject since it sounds like he already agreed to the deal. If he backs out due to comments in this thread will he be in the wrong? If he said ok to the deal and they are just working out the final details then I think it's a lesson learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, KPR Comics said: This is a nice looking 4.5 and what looks to be a legit Stan sig. You might be able to trade one book and get cash back. check out the thread suggested 8 minutes ago, Flamesfan1982 said: I haven't sent anything the other way and wanted the opinion of this board. It just took a day to get approved. Initially he accepted an ASM 129 cbcs 9.0 but then decided he wanted the GSXM. I got tunnel vision on the X Men 1 and not really knowing the potential growth compared to my books I told him I will agree to it once I do a little research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 The best outcome here is both parties send me the books and I'll deal with em. jason4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miraclemet Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 20 minutes ago, Flamesfan1982 said: I haven't sent anything the other way and wanted the opinion of this board. It just took a day to get approved. Initially he accepted an ASM 129 cbcs 9.0 but then decided he wanted the GSXM. I got tunnel vision on the X Men 1 and not really knowing the potential growth compared to my books I told him I will agree to it once I do a little research. the phrase "I will agree to it once I do a little research" is tricky. Sounds like you've said you'll agree to it... but you need to do research first? So in actuality it's more like to you the terms are in the right ball park, but you need to do a little research before you agree to it At minimum I would say loose the cash from the deal. Even doing 2 books for 1 he comes out ahead. Now some people need a sweetener when they are trading away the best of the books in a 2 of 1 deal, so it makes sense if the 2 books are slightly more valuable than the 1. And they are by about $500, which is pretty generous considering all three of the books involved are easy to sell/trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 People can change their minds, it is acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamesfan1982 Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 Honestly, what can he do that will be worth his while if I pull out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Cool Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Flamesfan1982 said: Honestly, what can he do that will be worth his while if I pull out? Bejack3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 39 minutes ago, miraclemet said: the phrase "I will agree to it once I do a little research" is tricky. Sounds like you've said you'll agree to it... but you need to do research first? So in actuality it's more like to you the terms are in the right ball park, but you need to do a little research before you agree to it At minimum I would say loose the cash from the deal. Even doing 2 books for 1 he comes out ahead. Now some people need a sweetener when they are trading away the best of the books in a 2 of 1 deal, so it makes sense if the 2 books are slightly more valuable than the 1. And they are by about $500, which is pretty generous considering all three of the books involved are easy to sell/trade. Judge Judy might say 'since there was no definition given for what 'a little research' is, there is no contract. One person's little research might be 5 minutes. Another's might be 30 years. Also there has to be an acceptance for a valid contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Cool Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) Backing out of a done deal is seen as a big deal on the boards. you are new so it may not matter to you but if you want to continue to be a part of the boards the attitude of "what is he going to do" is a not a good stance. I'm not saying you did anything wrong but your initial post said you had a tentative deal. If this is what you said then it's really up to how you said it. You can't say - it's a deal and then say I need to do some research. "I haven't sent anything the other way and wanted the opinion of this board. It just took a day to get approved. Initially he accepted an ASM 129 cbcs 9.0 but then decided he wanted the GSXM. I got tunnel vision on the X Men 1 and not really knowing the potential growth compared to my books I told him I will agree to it once I do a little research." Edited March 11, 2019 by 1Cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, 1Cool said: Backing out of a done deal is seen as a big deal on the boards. you are new so it may not matter to you but if you want to continue to be a part of the boards the attitude of "what is he going to do" is a not a good stance. I'm not saying you did anything wrong but your initial post said you had a tentative deal. If this is what you said then it's really up to how you said it. You can't say - it's a deal and then say I need to do some research. "I haven't sent anything the other way and wanted the opinion of this board. It just took a day to get approved. Initially he accepted an ASM 129 cbcs 9.0 but then decided he wanted the GSXM. I got tunnel vision on the X Men 1 and not really knowing the potential growth compared to my books I told him I will agree to it once I do a little research." Even if he backs out both people remain “whole” which is the point of the board rules regarding deals kav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Bird said: Even if he backs out both people remain “whole” which is the point of the board rules regarding deals Listen to Bird and his Word folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miraclemet Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Bird said: Even if he backs out both people remain “whole” which is the point of the board rules regarding deals hmm. so if someone went around agreeing to but not consummating (*shudder*) trades, and throwing up "I'll take it" in sales thread but then immediately backing out you don't think there'd be a case to put them on the naughty list? I agree the probation list is about being made whole. But the aforementioned actions might get you put on the banned list... I do think a reasonable person would let you out of the trade deal even if it was sort-of/kind-of/half agreed too. Now what if he had a cash offer on the X1 that he turned down expecting the trade to be finalized since it was agreed to (ish?) Edited March 11, 2019 by miraclemet Bejack3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callaway29 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 The "contingent on research" part implies the results of said research could lead to no deal, or a change in terms...in my opinion. Chillax23 and MGsimba77 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) It's not legally binding in any way.... Edited March 11, 2019 by ADAMANTIUM MGsimba77 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, miraclemet said: hmm. so if someone went around agreeing to but not consummating (*shudder*) trades, and throwing up "I'll take it" in sales thread but then immediately backing out you don't think there'd be a case to put them on the naughty list? I agree the probation list is about being made whole. But the aforementioned actions might get you put on the banned list... I do think a reasonable person would let you out of the trade deal even if it was sort-of/kind-of/half agreed too. Now what if he had a cash offer on the X1 that he turned down expecting the trade to be finalized since it was agreed to (ish?) I think a pattern of behavior is different than one time. And sales threads have their own rules, returns have to be stated and this is essentially a return. What are the banned list and the naughty list, if you mean Hall of Shame again one time would not be worth a HoS nomination. No one is out anything. I think we should not be pressuring a person to accept a bad deal in terms of semantics. Why people are focusing on half of his message and ignoring the other half makes no sense. This place is rough enough to n00bs without forcing people to agree to trades they do not want to do. Edited March 11, 2019 by Bird bentbryan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miraclemet Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Bird said: I think a pattern of behavior is different than one time. And sales threads have their own rules, returns have to be stated and this is essentially a return. What are the banned list and the naughty list, if you mean Hall of Shame again one time would not be worth a HoS nomination. No one is out anything. I think we should not be pressuring a person to accept a bad deal in terms of semantics. Why people are focusing on half of his message and ignoring the other half makes no sense. This place is rough enough to n00bs without forcing people to agree to trades they do not want to do. Agreed on all points (should we segue into media mail discussions now? *KIDDING!*) I agree he should just talk to the other party, say he looked at the deal and decided against it. If the other party wants to come back and discuss they can continue to talk about the terms of the trade... MGsimba77 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamesfan1982 Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 I spoke with him again. This is the first deal I am negotiating online and am not looking to be flaky. I spoke with the guy again and he is super cool. He made another offer if 500 cash instead of 1k and gave me the option of taking it or leaving it. I'll be in touch with him in the next day or two. I understand some of your concerns but I assure you I am very forthcoming. And thanks to those of you who are trying to understand my position. kav and ADAMANTIUM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
