Who owns the most perfect Action Comics #1? 4 4

[tth2]

20 hours ago, Crowzilla said:

On 4/12/2020 at 9:13 PM, tth2 said:

The Action 1 or Anderson's collection?

Yes

 

I can't even imagine his collection.  To see the MH Action 1-20, Detective, Superman and Batman runs, plus the AT Detective 27, would be mind blowing.  

[tth2]

19 hours ago, Chicago Boy said:

Who in the collecting community is/ was “ The Dentist “ friends with that we may know ? 

Sacentaur

[rob_react]

25 minutes ago, tth2 said:

 

I can't even imagine his collection.  To see the MH Action 1-20, Detective, Superman and Batman runs, plus the AT Detective 27, would be mind blowing.  

I was going through an exercise identifying the best copy of the top 20 Golden Age books and I was floored by how many were in his collection (the best Superman #1!)

And it's not like it stops with those books. And I'm not even talking about Batmobiles or whatever. It was pointed out to me many years ago that his interests extend into the Silver Age and he was buying those books alongside all of the legendary Golden Age stuff. His 50th most interesting book (from my perspective at least) might be a $1,000,000 Amazing Fantasy 15   

[goodrockrich]

14 hours ago, The Lions Den said:

All I can tell you is that I worked with Steve Borock for 4 years. He told me he saw the Action #1 in question and graded it in the Near Mint range. You're welcome...  

Isn't 9.0 (VF/NM) "NN range"?

[adamstrange]

56 minutes ago, goodrockrich said:

Isn't 9.0 (VF/NM) "NN range"?

No.

[goodrockrich]

1 hour ago, goodrockrich said:

Isn't 9.0 (VF/NM) "NN range"?

 

5 minutes ago, adamstrange said:

No.

Well then it's not VF range either.  It must be a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma range.

[sfcityduck]

On 4/11/2020 at 4:18 PM, Getoutandstayout said:

Now that I've verified some of the dates for this book, I have another question. This supposed best-anywhere Action Comics #1 was discovered in 1977, maybe traded hands a time or two, then made its way to The Dentist around 1982-1984. Since then, he's never allowed anyone to take so much as a photograph of it, yet there was a five-seven year span before he got his mitts on it. No one took a single photo of it in all that time? Really? The supposed highest grade of the king of all comics? And in the 43 years since its discovery, not one single, solitary photo exists of it to prove its top-dog status? Saying "Well, Mr. X, Y, and Z saw it and they verified it's the best" isn't verification. I don't know them and I can't see what they saw. So, I'm sorry, but until The Dentist or a prior owner can at least give a modicum of photographic evidence (much less a CGC grade or, shocker, display it somewhere) that the condition of this copy exceeds the 9.0 copy sold on eBay a few years back, I'll consider the eBay copy the best Action #1 in existence.

With all due respect, this post shows a major amount of ignorance about collector's of DA's generation.  They aren't buying books to show them off.  They are buying books, and then keeping them secret.  It's an entirely different mentality that predates CGC by decades.  These guys share their books, which they truly view as holy grails, only with folks who they personally know and value.  In DA's case, we know that both Borock and Fischler have seen the book and graded it 9.2-9.4.  If that's not good enough for you, then you are too wet behind the ears.

If competition is your purpose in collecting, then all I can say is that DA has already won.  Top Action 1, Detective 27, Superman 1, and many other key books.  Plus, he's got the original batmobile, key original art, and who knows what else.  Worth noting that Dave's kid is a highly respected comic dealer on eBay (Blissard) who is a joy to buy from.  So, in all likelihood, Dave's collection may never see the light of day. 

[sacentaur]

3 hours ago, tth2 said:

Sacentaur

Actually we used to be friends, including me making a trip out to Virginia back in the day and being escorted to the vault (I still remember the Church ‘Tec 27, a second-hand copy, with a thumb print on the right side of the front cover).

But then I finally saw through the veil of manipulation and deceit, and thus became disgusted with him. 

Think Lance Armstrong and you’ll get a good idea what I’m talking about...

[Gotham Kid]

13 minutes ago, sfcityduck said:

Top Action 1, Detective 27, Superman 1, and many other key books.  Plus, he's got the original batmobile, key original art

what OA are we talking about ?

[waaaghboss]

20 minutes ago, sfcityduck said:

With all due respect, this post shows a major amount of ignorance about collector's of DA's generation.  They aren't buying books to show them off.  They are buying books, and then keeping them secret.  It's an entirely different mentality that predates CGC by decades.  These guys share their books, which they truly view as holy grails, only with folks who they personally know and value.  In DA's case, we know that both Borock and Fischler have seen the book and graded it 9.2-9.4.  If that's not good enough for you, then you are too wet behind the ears.

If competition is your purpose in collecting, then all I can say is that DA has already won.  Top Action 1, Detective 27, Superman 1, and many other key books.  Plus, he's got the original batmobile, key original art, and who knows what else.  Worth noting that Dave's kid is a highly respected comic dealer on eBay (Blissard) who is a joy to buy from.  So, in all likelihood, Dave's collection may never see the light of day. 

Ah blissard!  Cool to know.  The only ebay seller I follow.  Half the time I see a boom I like, I look down to the seller and its him.  He sells some amazing stuff, and packs it better than anyone else.  I've only won a few auctions from him since his stuff always sells for a premium.

 

/blissard ad 😆

[waaaghboss]

19 minutes ago, sacentaur said:

Actually we used to be friends, including me making a trip out to Virginia back in the day and being escorted to the vault (I still remember the Church ‘Tec 27, a second-hand copy, with a thumb print on the right side of the front cover).

But then I finally saw through the veil of manipulation and deceit, and thus became disgusted with him. 

Think Lance Armstrong and you’ll get a good idea what I’m talking about...

I always suspected there was a lot of doping behind the scenes with you old school collectors 😡

[telerites]

6 minutes ago, waaaghboss said:

Ah blissard!  Cool to know.  The only ebay seller I follow.  Half the time I see a boom I like, I look down to the seller and its him.  He sells some amazing stuff, and packs it better than anyone else.  I've only won a few auctions from him since his stuff always sells for a premium.

 

/blissard ad 😆

He is a boardie here too.

[Randall Dowling]

To some degree, I feel a little weird discussing "the dentist" and his collection.  These days, it's an obscene amount of money and the wrong people reading this thread might get some weird ideas.  I'm sure he's taken all kinds of security measures but I feel like adding that Dave is a hardcore survivalist with a class 3 weapons license and a large collection of fully automatic and suppressed weaponry just to discourage any losers with bad intentions (I don't know this to be true, but I like the idea of anyone who came looking for trouble finding it).  

[Bronty]

6 minutes ago, Randall Dowling said:

To some degree, I feel a little weird discussing "the dentist" and his collection.  These days, it's an obscene amount of money and the wrong people reading this thread might get some weird ideas.  I'm sure he's taken all kinds of security measures but I feel like adding that Dave is a hardcore survivalist with a class 3 weapons license and a large collection of fully automatic and suppressed weaponry just to discourage any losers with bad intentions (I don't know this to be true, but I like the idea of anyone who came looking for trouble finding it).  

well, his best books are unique enough that they are hard or impossible to fence.

Edited April 13, 2020 by Bronty

[Crowzilla]

4 hours ago, tth2 said:

 

I can't even imagine his collection.  To see the MH Action 1-20, Detective, Superman and Batman runs, plus the AT Detective 27, would be mind blowing.  

Yeah, that was pretty much Bob's point.

Even back then he said it was a multi-million dollar collection - and this was a time when you could count the number of books that had sold for $100K on 0 fingers (it wouldn't be until the next year that a book would break $100K - the 2nd nicest Tec 27, ironically enough, the same copy I couldn't sell for $75K a year prior). It's not just the nicest Action 1, nicest Batman 1, nicest Tec 27, it's also the nicest Action 2, and 3, and 7, and 10, etc. etc.

The other key thing to remember is that when Fishler or Borock talk about the grade being near mint - that is the unpressed grade. Who knows what is the maximized potential.

 

[The Lions Den]

2 hours ago, goodrockrich said:

Isn't 9.0 (VF/NM) "NN range"?

If Steve had meant VF/NM, he would have said that. I have no doubt that he said Near Mint, not Very Fine/Near Mint...  

[The Lions Den]

4 hours ago, goodrockrich said:

 

Well then it's not VF range either.  It must be a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma range.

In CGC grading terms, it's a book that falls in between Very Fine and Near Mint because of an accumulation of small defects. In other words, it appears to be a 9.2 or 9.4, but because of the defects it's technically an 8.5. You can also apply the same theorem to these grades: Fine/Very Fine (7.0) Very Good/Fine (5.0) and Good/Very Good (3.0). And if you wanted to get really carried away, you could throw 1.5 (Fair to Good) into the mix as well...  

[goodrockrich]

4 minutes ago, The Lions Den said:

In CGC grading terms, it's a book that falls in between Very Fine and Near Mint because of an accumulation of small defects. In other words, it appears to be a 9.2 or 9.4, but because of the defects it's technically an 8.5. You can also apply the same theorem to these grades: Fine/Very Fine (7.0) Very Good/Fine (5.0) and Good/Very Good (3.0). And if you wanted to get really carried away, you could throw 1.5 (Fair to Good) into the mix as well...  

I guess the nuance was lost in my post.  I'll take the responsibility for a bad joke.  That being said, I do understand the CGC grading scale.  Don't let the number of posts fool you.    

[The Lions Den]

1 minute ago, goodrockrich said:

I guess the nuance was lost in my post.  I'll take the responsibility for a bad joke.  That being said, I do understand the CGC grading scale.  Don't let the number of posts fool you.    

Pleased to meet you...   

[goodrockrich]

1 minute ago, The Lions Den said:

Pleased to meet you...   

Long time lurker but with all the free time at home I can't resist posting.