Bronty Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 32 minutes ago, Crowzilla said: you forgot to include the 9.4 Denver copy. Pretty amazing that there are 5 copies graded 9.2 or higher. Are there any other GA mega-keys with that many copies in better than 9.0 condition? Well its the latest dated key so it makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Kid Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 1 hour ago, sfcityduck said: As for value, I'm not seeing where the bidder whose going to pay more than $1M for this comic is coming from. No Timely comic book has sold at auction for more than $350,000. Harriri, who has been driving the record comic prices recently, is a DC guy. Here's the UNIVERSAL census: 9.8 - 1 (Allentown) 9.4 - 1 (San Francisco) 9.2 - 2 9.0 - 1 The highest price paid for a CA 1 was $343,057.00 at ComicConnect in 2011. A 7.5 sold in 2018 on ComicConnect for $257,333.00. The only Marvel comics to top $500,000 are two copies of AF 15 (9.6 at $1.1M in 2011 and 9.4 at $704K in 2017). I would not bet that this comic will top $1M. Denver is a 9.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman_fan Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 1 hour ago, sfcityduck said: And here's my questions: (1) I sort of think its a generous 9.4 based on the heritage picture (left corners top and bottom, ), anyone else agree? (2) Would it benefit from a press? (top left corner, page misalignment) Glad you said what I was thinking. sfcityduck, sacentaur and Larryw7 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowzilla Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 28 minutes ago, Bronty said: Well its the latest dated key so it makes sense i usually think of the Wonder Woman trio as being the last mega-keys, but those three issues combined have 4 copies total 9.2 or higher. Even Sub-Mariner #1 which is the "last" big Timely key only has 2 copies in 9.2, (Torch #1 has 4 copies in 9.2 or higher). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcityduck Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 51 minutes ago, Gotham Kid said: Denver is a 9.4 Rob's site says the Denver is a 9.2. Census shows 1 9.4 universal and 1 9.4 restored. Is this book not on the census and the Denver was upgraded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 2 hours ago, sfcityduck said: And here's my questions: (1) I sort of think its a generous 9.4 based on the heritage picture (left corners top and bottom, ), anyone else agree? (2) Would it benefit from a press? (top left corner, page misalignment) I imagine it was pressed before graded. Can’t imagine ow sfcityduck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 20 minutes ago, sfcityduck said: Rob's site says the Denver is a 9.2. Census shows 1 9.4 universal and 1 9.4 restored. Is this book not on the census and the Denver was upgraded? A boardie owns the Denver 9.4 sfcityduck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 42 minutes ago, Crowzilla said: i usually think of the Wonder Woman trio as being the last mega-keys, but those three issues combined have 4 copies total 9.2 or higher. Even Sub-Mariner #1 which is the "last" big Timely key only has 2 copies in 9.2, (Torch #1 has 4 copies in 9.2 or higher). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Kid Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, G.A.tor said: A boardie owns the Denver 9.4 yup, along with some other killer high grade early Caps Edited May 23, 2019 by Gotham Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gotham Kid Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 1 hour ago, sfcityduck said: Rob's site says the Denver is a 9.2. Census shows 1 9.4 universal and 1 9.4 restored. Is this book not on the census and the Denver was upgraded? Census will have 2 in 9.4 likely on Tuesday (I think it is) when census is updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N e r V Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Does anyone know if the Allentown is still a 9.6 in 9.8’s clothing now or if it was pressed/worked on before getting the new 9.8 badge? Also if the PQ changed on the new submit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowzilla Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 22 minutes ago, N e r V said: Does anyone know if the Allentown is still a 9.6 in 9.8’s clothing now or if it was pressed/worked on before getting the new 9.8 badge? Also if the PQ changed on the new submit? It looked like a 9.8 in 9.6 clothing in that old Overstreet photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Timely Posted May 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 24, 2019 So here's the deal with the Denver & Allentown copies of Cap #1. John Verzyl owned the Denver copy for decades. When the Allentown copy became available he went to see it. It was far nicer than the Denver, so John being John & wanting the best copy, he took the plunge. The Mile High copy had been restored so he had no interest in it. He felt the Denver was an 8.5 or possibly a 9.0. He was over the moon when it graded out a 9.0 & he sold it to help cover the cost of the Allentown purchase. It was then pressed to a 9.2. It was then regraded a 3rd time as a 9.4 (not sure if it was pressed again). John was upset about this for 2 reasons. 1st, it's obviously worth way more as a 9.2 or 9.4 than it was as a 9.0 when he sold it. 2nd, he felt the Allentown was FAR superior to the Denver, but the Denver was now a 9.4 & his Allentown a 9.6. But, John being John, took these lemons & made lemonade. He went to cgc and argued his case explaining how superior the Allentown was. It was then regraded a 9.8. That's the story John told me. PopKulture, batman_fan, Get Marwood & I and 10 others 11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicdonna Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 This is why you buy the book, and not the label. lou_fine and First Upgrade 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman_fan Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 46 minutes ago, comicdonna said: This is why you buy the book, and not the label. Unfortunately they are a package deal ... sfcityduck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Kid Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Timely said: He felt the Denver was an 8.5 or possibly a 9.0. He was over the moon when it graded out a 9.0 & he sold it to help cover the cost of the Allentown purchase. It was then pressed to a 9.2. It was then regraded a 3rd time as a 9.4 (not sure if it was pressed again). John was upset about this for 2 reasons. 1st, it's obviously worth way more as a 9.2 or 9.4 than it was as a 9.0 when he sold it. 2nd, he felt the Allentown was FAR superior to the Denver, but the Denver was now a 9.4 & his Allentown a 9.6. But, John being John, took these lemons & made lemonade. He went to cgc and argued his case explaining how superior the Allentown was. It was then regraded a 9.8. That's the story John told me. sounds a bit like a cry-baby ? when it worked in his favor all is good but when not bwahah no fair. Edited May 24, 2019 by Gotham Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatCaesarsGhost Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Gotham Kid said: sounds a bit like a cry-baby ? when it worked in his favor all is good but when not bwahah no fair. A crybaby with enough stroke to bend CGC to his will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Kid Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said: A crybaby with enough stroke to bend CGC to his will Or they grew tired of the whining Edited May 24, 2019 by Gotham Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Kid Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 14 minutes ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said: A crybaby with enough stroke to bend CGC to his will Reminds me of Doug Schmell’s MO to get his books to 9.8 grade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...