• When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.

Heritage's Next Event Auction has started posting books !
31 31

Started by Gotham Kid,

7,854 posts in this topic

tth2

tth2

Posted
Posted
10 hours ago, october said:

Common is the lowest degree of rarity. Spider-Man 300 and 361 are common. New Mutants 98 is common. Hulk 181 is common. Eternals 1 is common.

30 copies of TMNT 1 in 9.8 is NOT common. It's in an entirely different category of scarcity and shouldn't be lumped into the examples above. 

30 copies in 9.8 IS common. 

The other books you cited are super common.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
lou_fine

lou_fine

Posted
Posted
7 minutes ago, szav said:

With the amount of CPRing that goes on with a book of this value 900 copies on census probably does not = 900 unique copies.  Could be 800...could be 500...I don't know...and you don't know.  It's "possible".

Will most definitely agree with you that there is most likely less than 800 unique copies that have been graded to date.  (thumbsu

Less than 1,000 total copies or possibly even 2,000 in existence including all of the beaters out there, probably not so much but who's to say for sure.  (shrug)

Link to comment
Share on other sites
lou_fine

lou_fine

Posted
Posted
22 minutes ago, Gotham Kid said:
1 hour ago, lou_fine said:

I can't think of a single GA book, unless it was part of a huge warehouse find, that would have even close to a quarter of this census number count.  (thumbsu

Batman 1 :whistle:

266 copies graded to date.

Well, I guess there is an exception to every rule.  :facepalm:

Link to comment
Share on other sites
lou_fine

lou_fine

Posted
Posted
59 minutes ago, Gotham Kid said:

In other good news, the OA to Batman 251 is at 366K and Marvel 1 is steadily climbing at 276K

Every time I see how fast prices for OA are going up recently, it reminds me of my first trip down to the SD Con at the start of the 90's and how the big boys always tends to be ahead of the curve.  

While all of the comic collectors were down there chasing after and forking over big dollars for comic books, I still remember Geppi and several of his older collecting buddies flipping through OA pages and picking them off for what would now be seen as pennies on the dollar.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites
jimbo_7071

jimbo_7071

Posted
Posted
11 hours ago, Howling Mad said:

Maybe "common" is a bad term, but if anything the print run to 9.8 ratio proves my point further. It's not that uncommon in high grades. There's books with VASTLY larger print runs that have the same number or less of 9.8s. This could be for a variety of reasons, but strictly speaking given the low print run, limited distribution, and non-major publisher nature, 30 doesn't seem extremely scarce--despite what the Gerber index may or may not be. Of 897 on the registry, which is a significant portion of the original run, 350 are graded 9.0 or above. That's a lot.

I'm not arguing the merit of the book, or it's contributions. I grew up with TNMT, I get it, but I don't think it's that big of a mystery why it's jumping in price. Individuals in the same age group can now afford nostalgia. This is the same thing we're seeing with Japanese Domestic Market cars, and is reminiscent of muscle cars about 20 years ago. Or video games, which have skyrocketed in the past 5 years. Will it be a $150K book 10 years from now? Maybe. It's just as likely it'll be a $10K book. Who knows. There's always market forces at play.

EDIT - these are my final thoughts on this as well, not trying to clog things up.

Personally, I think it's more likely to be a $10K book. That wacko $90K sale is temporarily affecting prices, but they'll come back to reality eventually.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
jimbo_7071

jimbo_7071

Posted
Posted
9 minutes ago, lou_fine said:

Every time I see how fast prices for OA are going up recently, it reminds me of my first trip down to the SD Con at the start of the 90's and how the big boys always tends to be ahead of the curve.  

While all of the comic collectors were down there chasing after and forking over big dollars for comic books, I still remember Geppi and several of his older collecting buddies flipping through OA pages and picking them off for what would now be seen as pennies on the dollar.  

Some years ago I was talking with Chris Foss of Heroes and Drsgons about collecting comics versus collecting original art. (Chris was one of the few GA dealers who attended the Motor City Comic Con.) He expressed the opinion that most serious collectors eventually graduate to original art. I'm still waiting for all the collectors who have books that I want to graduate to original art and sell me some of those pedestrian, mass-produced comic books at a fraction of guide.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Crowzilla

Crowzilla

Posted
Posted
4 hours ago, Bronty said:

If there were as few hulk 181 in circulation as tmnt 1s , they absolutely would

I pretty much agree with this. There are 4x as many IH 181s in 9.8 as Turtles 1. Heck, there are more IH 181s graded in 8.5 and above than the (supposedly) entire print run of Turtles #1.

There are more Fantasy 15s graded than there are Turtles #1 existing. The 30th best graded AF 15 would be an 8.5 - how much does one of those bring?

Not fair to compare Turtles to Spidey? Ok, what what does an Avengers #1 in 9.2 bring, or an Avengers #4 in 9.6, or Daredevil #1 in the same grade? Super common books (more plentiful than Turtles 1 at least) and with 23 copies each in 9.6, the Avengers #4 and Daredevil #1 are probably a pretty decent comparison,and the 500th top graded copy of all three books is a 7.5 -  but I bet Turtles #1 sells faster than either of the other two.

Common compared to GA keys, yes? But actually more scarce than than most SA keys, and every BA or CA key, and probably more in demand than anything outside AF15 or IH181.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
lou_fine

lou_fine

Posted
Posted (edited)
32 minutes ago, szav said:

Haven't seen a really nice looking copy of Suspense 8 for sale in years.  With Mask #1 CGC 3.0s going for 10k+ and how much LB Cole books have spiked in the last 3 to 4 years it'll be interesting to see how this one does. 

+1

I can't believe that there's over 50 copies of this particular book already graded, and we still have yet to see one in true or even close to HG condition. :whatthe:

Looks like this copy here is in a group as the second highest graded with this book topping out in grade at only CGC 7.5.  :takeit:

Well, looks like I am the high bidder for now, but doubt this will be anywhere even close to the final price by the time it's all said and done.  :frown:

Edited by lou_fine
Link to comment
Share on other sites
jimbo_7071

jimbo_7071

Posted
Posted (edited)
13 minutes ago, lou_fine said:

+1

I can't believe that there's over 50 copies of this particular book already graded, and we still have yet to see one in true or even close to HG condition. :whatthe:

Looks like this copy here is in a group as the second highest graded with this book topping out in grade at only CGC 7.5.  :takeit:

Well, looks like I am the high bidder for now, but doubt this will be anywhere even close to the final price by the time it's all said and done.  :frown:

7.5 isn't close to high grade? What are you calling high grade? I've always called VF/8.0 and above high grade.

ETA: What's up with the spike in L. B. Cole prices? It isn't like he was just discovered by the hobby. It seems random.

Edited by jimbo_7071
Link to comment
Share on other sites
lou_fine

lou_fine

Posted
Posted
8 minutes ago, jimbo_7071 said:

I can't believe that there's over 50 copies of this particular book already graded, and we still have yet to see one in true or even close to HG condition. :whatthe:

 

9 minutes ago, jimbo_7071 said:

7.5 isn't close to high grade? What are you calling high grade? I've always called VF/8.0 and above high grade.

I would tend to agree with you that anything in VF 8.0 would qualify as HG for the early GA books.  (thumbsu

For the later GA books or anything from 1945 onwards (such as Suspense 8) which in theory should be more available or common, I would consider true HG to be anything in VF/NM 9.0 and above.  hm  (shrug)

Link to comment
Share on other sites
jimbo_7071

jimbo_7071

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, lou_fine said:

 

I would tend to agree with you that anything in VF 8.0 would qualify as HG for the early GA books.  (thumbsu

For the later GA books or anything from 1945 onwards (such as Suspense 8) which in theory should be more available or common, I would consider true HG to be anything in VF/NM 9.0 and above.  hm  (shrug)

Hmm...some of those 1940-1945 DCs are among the most common books out there. But if you go up to 9.0 for the post-war years, you might want to consider going down to 7.0 for 2nd-tier early 50s books.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
comicjack

comicjack

Posted
Posted
3 hours ago, szav said:

Haven't seen a really nice looking copy of Suspense 8 for sale in years.  With Mask #1 CGC 3.0s going for 10k+ and how much LB Cole books have spiked in the last 3 to 4 years it'll be interesting to see how this one does.  Of course given HA's penchant for amping scans recently I have doubts this book has such rich yellows and reds in hand.

https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/suspense-comics-8-continental-magazines-1945-cgc-fn-vf-70-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/7212-92188.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

 

 

Suspense8cgc7.jpg

I have my doubts that really is a 7.0 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
jimbo_7071

jimbo_7071

Posted
Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Chicago Boy said:

What’s the beef with Mark Wilson ?  Any supporters ??

Here's one short thread. I haven't purchased anything from Heritage since I found out that they had hired Wilson. I'll still throw in low-ball bids in hopes getting a bargain, but they are way down my list of potential sources now, just above Danny Dupcak and Jason Ewert.

ETA: The thread above makes reference to the reverse spine roll technique (shifting the spine and all of its defects to the fact cover in order to get a grade bump). I don't know the extent of Mark Wilson's involvement in that, if any. I believe eBay seller collectors_comics is Thomas Wilson.

 

Edited by jimbo_7071
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
31 31
Go to topic listing