TupennyConan Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 On 9/15/2022 at 12:13 PM, theCapraAegagrus said: the production quality between that show and this one are night and day. The half of Ms. Marvel E1 that I watched had movie-quality VFX. Very true. MM was really well made, like MK. The quality production didn't help MK. I know folks think MM was a failure too, despite its technical quality. theCapraAegagrus and djzombi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drotto Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 On 9/15/2022 at 12:17 PM, TupennyConan said: Very true. MM was really well made, like MK. The quality production didn't help MK. I know folks think MM was a failure too, despite its technical quality. Honestly, Marvel is pushing too hard. Right now it seems they are putting stuff out there and basically either begging people to like it or even badgering people to like it. Instead, they need to just put out a quality product, do standard promotion, and hope it takes off. Even the most popular characters grew in this fashion, without the feeling of being forced on the public. Take a few months or even a few years to see which character have cought on and run with those. TupennyConan, Larryw7, jcjames and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexinnih Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 I do hope that Marvel/Disney is a bit more planned out and analyzing than just throw everything out and see what sticks. It will be interesting to see how these D+ show characters will be incorporated into the MCU big screen. I do now like the phrase "hate watching." Bosco685 and drotto 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drotto Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 On 9/15/2022 at 1:02 PM, rexinnih said: I do hope that Marvel/Disney is a bit more planned out and analyzing than just throw everything out and see what sticks. It will be interesting to see how these D+ show characters will be incorporated into the MCU big screen. I do now like the phrase "hate watching." Then you run into the pay wall issues with D+, and what percentage of the people have seen the shows. Will this create confusion for the average viewer that only sees the films, not faithfully watches all the shows. Remember, according to Samba (take it for what it is) Ms Marvel had 775k households, Hawkeye was 1.5 million, even WandVision was listed at 1.8 over the first five days. Let's be fair and say each household likely means 2 to 3 views, so let's be fair and multiy all those numbers by 2.5 for actual viewers. A hit movie will have well over 2 to 3 millions viewers in its first week. Is this show to movie setup approach really viable? How many movie viewer will have a level of confusion? MoM suffered from this to an extend with what was Wanda's motivation. How much will just need to be re-established in the movie so the non show viewer is up to speed enough for the film? If so, does this ultimately make the shows pointless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalPSI Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 When people say MK I think Mortal Kombat bentbryan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 On 9/15/2022 at 1:29 PM, drotto said: Is this show to movie setup approach really viable? How many movie viewer will have a level of confusion? These were my questions when this duo-format was announced. I remember Marvel saying something along the lines of, 'the shows won't be required watching', but as you mentioned, I expect that audiences were/are confused about Wanda's character in DS2. I can't imagine that people will know what's going on in Quantumania without seeing Loki. I see this 2-way game as a failure. If they didn't waste efforts on these shows, I have to imagine that the movie quality would not be so much drastically worse than the Infinity Saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drotto Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 (edited) On 9/15/2022 at 1:33 PM, theCapraAegagrus said: I remember Marvel saying something along the lines of, 'the shows won't be required watching', but as you mentioned, I expect that audiences were/are confused about Wanda's character in DS2. Seems this was a lie, and they are trying to drive people to D+ now by making shows required viewing. Many people in entertainment are convinced that streaming is the most viable option moving forward. Even in the face a declining revenue (or falling short of forcasts) and flatting subscriptions. There is a reason Netflix is getting clobbered on the markets. Yet we see with films like Top Gun and Spider-Man that movies still have a lot of life left, if the product is well done with mass appeal. Remember, even Star Wars is apparently a streaming show only IP now. Using this approach is potentially high reward, but definitely high risk. Edited September 15, 2022 by drotto Larryw7, theCapraAegagrus and MetalPSI 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozad Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 (edited) This is becoming the toughest watch ever. If I make it to the end I owe myself a drink. Or nine. Edited September 15, 2022 by Boozad Artboy99 and Larryw7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 I haven't hate-watched this yet. I prioritized watching Stan Against Evil on Hulu instead. What did I miss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 28 minutes of goofiness leading to that tiny reveal. We'll see what comes in the next episode after that little hint of things to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Artboy99 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 ep05 Spoiler There is a court case between She-Hulk and Titania over the trademark of the name "She-Hulk" and Jen has the guys she met on Matcher testify that she had been using the name She-Hulk before Titania did. Her assistant and Pug (weird name) go buy some clothes for Jen at some specialist clothing guy who makes clothes for superheroes. Daredevil's helmet is shown in a box. That is about all that happens in this episode. 4 out of 10. It is getting harder to watch MR SigS and gadzukes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PovertyRow Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Well, for the first time I was bored. Just nothing engaging. Did I miss it or was there no end-credit scene? I have to go back and watch E4 again to get my "gin and tonic" chuckles. Bosco685 and TupennyConan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted September 16, 2022 Author Share Posted September 16, 2022 (edited) On 9/15/2022 at 11:18 PM, PovertyRow said: Well, for the first time I was bored. Just nothing engaging. Did I miss it or was there no end-credit scene? I have to go back and watch E4 again to get my "gin and tonic" chuckles. Waititi bursts out of a Korg-shaped cake with his tongue hanging out and shouts, "Take that, suckas!" Edited September 16, 2022 by Bosco685 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TupennyConan Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 E5 1. No Madisynn? No good. 2. Get ready for a very different version of Daredevil. The Phase IV version. 3. Thank goodness Ruffalo is gone, though his spirit remains, the spirit of Phase IV. Bosco685 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TupennyConan Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 If the MCU drove-up comics prices last decade, it's going to drive them down this decade. Time to dump your Marvels, Boardies. Larryw7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalPSI Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 When you never had them to begin with Larryw7, TupennyConan and theCapraAegagrus 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drotto Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 On 9/15/2022 at 11:18 PM, PovertyRow said: Well, for the first time I was bored. Just nothing engaging. Did I miss it or was there no end-credit scene? I have to go back and watch E4 again to get my "gin and tonic" chuckles. Nope instead of an end credit scene you got a picture of Pug and his sneaker collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 On 9/15/2022 at 12:32 PM, drotto said: Take a few months or even a few years to see which character have cought on and run with those. ? Kamala Khan's been around for nearly a decade, had a few solo series, and been part of both the Avengers and the Champions. Or...were you referring to She Hulk or Moon Knight - who have each been around for more than 40 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
