Gotham Kid Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, tth2 said: 20 hours ago, AJD said: On 9/21/2019 at 7:43 AM, MasterChief said: I'm somewhat perplexed as to why the pedigree designation is not assigned to this book. I might be off base here, but if the pedigree designation was attached to the book when it was graded lower, that would make it easier to identify that it has been monkeyed with. So there's a $ incentive not to include it. Ding ding ding! to hell with provenance, it's all about the money. Edited September 22, 2019 by Gotham Kid porcupine48 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) I understand your comment and share your concern, but I wonder how many boardies would forgo say an extra 100k on the book for disclosing versus not. I think anyone that has ever sent a book out for pressing before a sale cannot ride the high horse named Disclosure. I have never pressed a book but not because I’m so high minded; I just don’t collect many books actively anymore . With enough incentive I’m sure I’d do it too Edited September 22, 2019 by Bronty jimjum12 and Randall Dowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_react Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 If the book had originally had the Windy City notation then that would be one thing. It's never had the notation though. The current owner may not even know. They turned in the label. The book was properly removed from the census (there are now only 2 9.0s.) If they're trying to hide that the book was pressed they should start there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D84 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 At this point, I assume all slabbed books have been pressed at least once. Larryw7, sfcityduck and Randall Dowling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artboy99 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 On 9/22/2019 at 8:59 AM, D84 said: At this point, I assume all slabbed books have been pressed at least once. I agree unless it is visually obvious that it wasnt in the slab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacentaur Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) On 9/21/2019 at 9:01 PM, G.A.tor said: ...short of cracking from slab to hide a pedigree notification Which is exactly what happened with the Larson copy of Marvel Mystery 9. The book originally was a PLOD, but it was cracked, ‘improved’, and the slight resto was removed. Before resubmission, the Larson pedigree designation on the front cover was erased so that the provenance couldn’t be directly traced. The book returned as a Blue label and was resold for profit. Drilled by the Dentist again! Edited September 23, 2019 by sacentaur comicdonna, Larryw7, Primetime and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telerites Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, sacentaur said: Which is exactly what happened with the Larson copy of Marvel Mystery 9. The book originally was a PLOD, but it was cracked, ‘improved’, and the slight resto was removed. Before resubmission, the Larson pedigree designation on the front cover was erased so that the provenance couldn’t be directly traced. The book returned as a Blue label and was resold for profit. Drilled by the Dentist again! Wow. This is just incredible and regretfully enlightening. To me, losing a ped's provenance is disgraceful and in this manner, so deceitful but when greed is involved I shouldn't be surprised. Chicago Boy, MasterChief, sacentaur and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Kid Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 24 minutes ago, sacentaur said: Which is exactly what happened with the Larson copy of Marvel Mystery 9. The book originally was a PLOD, but it was cracked, ‘improved’, and the slight resto was removed. Before resubmission, the Larson pedigree designation on the front cover was erased so that the provenance couldn’t be directly traced. The book returned as a Blue label and was resold for profit. Drilled by the Dentist again! disgusting sacentaur, Get Marwood & I and Larryw7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Primetime Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, sacentaur said: Which is exactly what happened with the Larson copy of Marvel Mystery 9. The book originally was a PLOD, but it was cracked, ‘improved’, and the slight resto was removed. Before resubmission, the Larson pedigree designation on the front cover was erased so that the provenance couldn’t be directly traced. The book returned as a Blue label and was resold for profit. Drilled by the Dentist again! Yup, no Larson book should have the name cleaned off. The "Lamont" or "Larson" penciled mark is what ID's the pedigree and makes it special. Gotham Kid, KirbyJack, RareHighGrade and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman_fan Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 44 minutes ago, sacentaur said: Which is exactly what happened with the Larson copy of Marvel Mystery 9. The book originally was a PLOD, but it was cracked, ‘improved’, and the slight resto was removed. Before resubmission, the Larson pedigree designation on the front cover was erased so that the provenance couldn’t be directly traced. The book returned as a Blue label and was resold for profit. Drilled by the Dentist again! Also known as “getting Hawkeyed” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, sacentaur said: Which is exactly what happened with the Larson copy of Marvel Mystery 9. The book originally was a PLOD, but it was cracked, ‘improved’, and the slight resto was removed. Before resubmission, the Larson pedigree designation on the front cover was erased so that the provenance couldn’t be directly traced. The book returned as a Blue label and was resold for profit. Drilled by the Dentist again! When I owned the marvel 9 Larson it was noted as such on the label? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 55 minutes ago, Primetime said: Yup, no Larson book should have the name cleaned off. The "Lamont" or "Larson" penciled mark is what ID's the pedigree and makes it special. @Straw-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacentaur Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, G.A.tor said: When I owned the marvel 9 Larson it was noted as such on the label? Once the scheme was discovered, it may have been slabbed again but this time with the correct designation, I don’t know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primetime Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, sacentaur said: Once the scheme was discovered, it may have been slabbed again but this time with the correct designation, I don’t know. check HA archives, but it went from a PLOD 5.5 with the "88" call number still present (Larson name erased off), to a CGC 5.5 blue with the "88" erased, to a CGC 6.0 blue. All three had the Larson name on the CGC labels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacentaur Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1. Original book, raw, Larson 88. 2. PLOD, Larson erased, 88. 3. Blue, 88 erased. 4. Blue Who knows how many times the book has been monkeyed with/CPR’d, HA may not fully reflect the book’s history. Perhaps one of HA’s esteemed consignment directors, Mark Wilson, can shed some light (wink wink, nod nod)? Gotham Kid, Larryw7 and Primetime 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcityduck Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 On 9/20/2019 at 9:14 PM, tth2 said: To be fair, quite a number of those sales took place in a period when relatively high grade copies of MC 1 seemed to be popping up every auction, and often it was the same copies. This really tainted everyone's perception of the book at the time. The feeling was that MC 1s were like buses--if you didn't get an MC 1 at this auction, just wait because another one would be coming along. During that same period, very few Action 1s and Detective 27s or higher grade Bat 1s and Cap 1s were coming to market, which further enhanced the perception that MC 1 was common as dirt. Now, it's been a while since a higher grade MC 1 has come up for auction. So it will be fascinating to see what it goes for in today's supercharged market, particularly because of the unprecedented grade, which is tempered by the knowledge among those who will have done their due diligence that it's just one of those copies that was being constantly recycled back in the 'naughts. Instead, now we see a steady supply of CA 1s, with two more in the next Heritage auction. Chicago Boy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MasterChief Posted September 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) I had some free time over the weekend to put the visual aid below together. Hopefully it is helpful in painting a clearer picture as to the origin of subject book. Listed afterward are the references used. Especially interesting is the radio interview of Gary Colabuono and the story behind the Windy City collection. *************** *************** REFERENCES Comic Zone Radio Interview with Gary Colabuono July 26, 2005 (Segment 3)http://www.comiczoneradio.com/gary-colabuono.html Windy City Pedigrees- What Did They Sell For? Started by Moondog, December 23, 2011Link to Discussion Uniontown Evening Standard, Page 14A Mail Carrier Collects Magazines' First Issues July 7, 1955 White Rose Collection Started by Et-Es-Go, July 26, 2010 Gary Colabuono (Moondog) ReplyLink to Discussion Press Release - December 30, 2002 Heritage to Auction the White Rose Collection in NYChttps://comics.ha.com/heritage-auctions-press-releases-and-news/heritage-to-auction-the-white-rose-collection-in-nyc.s?releaseId=312 Heritage Auction #806, Lot 3194Marvel Comics #1 (Timely, 1939) CGC VF+ 8.5 Cream to off-white pages Heritage Client Testimonials – The White Rose Collectionhttps://www.ha.com/c/testimonials.zx?src=rose Hi from Jay Parrino Started by Jay, June 4, 2004https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/24522-hi-from-jay-parrino/ Jay Parrino's The Mint, Website Comic Book Inventory Retrieved April 11 and June 10, 2004 Marvel Comics #1 Timely Comics, 11/39 CGC Census Datahttp://cgcdata.com/cgc/search/comicid/976 Heritage Auction #818, Lot 2011Marvel Comics #1 (Timely, 1939) CGC VF/NM 9.0 Cream to off-white pages Heritage Auction #7212, Lot TBDMarvel Comics #1 (Timely, 1939) CGC NM 9.4 Off-white pages Edited September 24, 2019 by MasterChief Image Work & Additional References PopKulture, KirbyJack, RareHighGrade and 27 others 16 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pemart1966 Posted September 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) MasterChief - TRULY A MASTERFUL POST Edited September 24, 2019 by pemart1966 porcupine48, comicdonna, Randall Dowling and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcupine48 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 This thread is one of my favourites this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Dowling Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 17 minutes ago, porcupine48 said: This thread is one of my favourites this year Agreed! porcupine48 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...