Scorsese slams MCU 0

[Bosco685]

Heresy!

[@therealsilvermane]

31 minutes ago, AndyFish said:

The problem with any corporate character is there will never be any actual development because they are corporately owned characters.   I've not seen Thor, but I'm more than willing to agree there are good movies in the MCU-- but to compare them to original works featuring characters driven by something other than a set of standard rules to protect the intellectual property value is like apples and oranges.

Again, why the outrage that someone doesn't like these?   Who cares?   I certainly could care less if you don't like something like DIABOLIQUE-- but I thought it was a great movie.   Your opinion on it changes nothing for me.

"I've not seen Thor"   Similarly, Marty Scorsese says "I don't see them" but is now qualified to make an opinion on them? I don't care how good you are at filmmaking, you can't make a judgement call on a movie you haven't seen.

So you say a character owned by a corporation can't experience real development because they are controlled by standard rules to protect said owned character. Is that why Tony Stark, over the course of several movies, starts off as a selfish military industrial complex weapons creator, learns he has wasted his life when he almost loses that life, becomes a hero by making himself a weapon for good instead of creating them for the highest bidder, continues to learn the lesson that he doesn't know everything when he accidentally creates Ultron and is partially responsible for breaking up the Avengers, quits the Avengers and being a super-hero after he loses the fight to Thanos, gets married and has a child, and then, in stark contrast to who he was when we first met him in 2008 (a genius talented yet completely selfish weapons designer), makes the ultimate sacrifice and dies in order to save this universe and rid it of Thanos finally?

 

Edited October 22, 2019 by @therealsilvermane

[Hollywood1892]

I feel like watching Casino today...I'm having trouble sleeping 

[Bosco685]

 

[Hollywood1892]

Martin Scorsese version of endgame...

[@therealsilvermane]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/rome-martin-scorsese-laments-young-peoples-understanding-cinema-1248997

In the same article, an Italian journalist questions Scorsese about not using strong women in Irishmen or recent films. He says he's been unfairly targeted since the 70's about women in his films while folks forget about ALice Doesn't Live Here Anymore, Age of Innocence, Sharon Stone in Casino, etc. "Unfairly targeted." Maybe Scorsese "unfairly targeted" comic book movies by referring to them as amusement park rides.

Edited October 22, 2019 by @therealsilvermane

[Hollywood1892]

57 minutes ago, @therealsilvermane said:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/rome-martin-scorsese-laments-young-peoples-understanding-cinema-1248997

In the same article, an Italian journalist questions Scorsese about not using strong women in Irishmen or recent films. He says he's been unfairly targeted since the 70's about women in his films while folks forget about ALice Doesn't Live Here Anymore, Age of Innocence, Sharon Stone in Casino, etc. "Unfairly targeted." Maybe Scorsese "unfairly targeted" comic book movies by referring to them as amusement park rides.

Clearly these people haven't watched Casino...Sharon Stone produced one of the most captivating roles in cinema...

[@therealsilvermane]

Scorsese describes The Irishman as a film about "mortality and the unraveling of a life." Similarly, Avengers: Endgame is about mortality and the unraveling of half of all life.

[Hollywood1892]

5 minutes ago, @therealsilvermane said:

Scorsese describes The Irishman as a film about "mortality and the unraveling of a life." Similarly, Avengers: Endgame is about mortality and the unraveling of half of all life.

Genius

[N e r V]

22 minutes ago, Hollywood1892 said:

Clearly these people haven't watched Casino...Sharon Stone produced one of the most captivating roles in cinema...

Blame it on there not being enough great female gangsters for him...

[paperheart]

don't remember if he was the first but 5 year anniversary of this

Alejandro G. Iñárritu And ‘Birdman’ Scribes On Hollywood’s Superhero Fixation: ‘Poison, Cultural Genocide’ – Q&A

https://deadline.com/2014/10/birdman-director-alejandro-gonzalez-inarritu-writers-interview-852206/

[jsilverjanet]

On 10/21/2019 at 6:40 PM, Bosco685 said:

I still laugh at this Twitter response.

As a comic book fan, I was more offended by Coppolla's comment more than Scorsese. But I do have to agree with @Larryw7. What we are probably seeing is the underlying studio shifts going on what is considered a solid --script nowadays.

With all the money rolling in on the more successful comic book films, studios are probably being very selective what they are looking for to jump in on the excitement. So any independent or small production concepts are tossed to the side to make way for that next Avengers, Spider-Man or Wonder Woman. Just in this case it is the old guard calling out what studios are doing through poorly placed comments directed at the genre instead of the studios themselves.That's where the barbs should be thrown to make the point.

Who knows how many Godfathers, Goodfellas or Taxi Drivers are not being made because of these greedy studios only wanting the bigger fish to fry? It's not crazy concept to assume this is going on across Hollywood, frustrating older and newer film creators targeting independent or small budget films.

when I went to the AMC after Joker was released, it was weird to see almost every screen (on that side of the building 18 screen AMC) only showing that movie. Look at the listings of movies at the AMC especially on the opening weekend of a Disney movie. 

I get that the theaters have to make a profit but we've shifted into this only show the blockbuster viewings because people have now been programmed to see these movies 2-3 times not to mention the loons that come out and see it 10+

 

[@therealsilvermane]

Baloney on the idea that smaller films are all being ingested and cannabalized by behemoth Avengers movies or other giant tentpole flick.

You also can't compare culture from 60 years ago to the culture of today. 60 years ago, the only way to watch a particular movie was to see it a theater or wait for it to be shown as a network TV movie special. With the arrival of cable and home video, there were suddenly more ways to watch movies. Today, with a larger cable TV choice, Netflix, Hulu, the internet, etc. the ways to watch movies of all size has increased tenfold. You can even watch a movie on your phone now. The way our modern culture consumes and views movies and shows is not the way it was 60, or even 20, years ago.

With so many ways to watch movies now, the amount of content has also increased tenfold. While the number of big budget summer family tentpole films has definitely increased over the years, the amount of smaller budget smaller story films (and shows because they count) has also increased. They just don't always get an AMC screen. But that's okay. Most viewers don't care and neither do the studios. As stated, most people feel they don't have to go to the theater to watch a good human drama. You can see it on your phone if you want.

So while there was an increase in Comic book movies released in spring and summer of 2019, we've also seen the overall content of movies of all sizes increase exponentially. These movies were not only released at AMC theaters, but at smaller theaters, Netflix, Hulu, HBO, on other cable networks, Amazon Prime, etc. While the general public has enjoyed the rise of the MCU at the cineplex, it has not been at the expense of smaller human drama. Jordan Peele is a pretty big filmmaker these days. The Oscars nominate eight movies a year and only one of them has ever been a comic book movie. In fact, movie awards season, which hits after Christmas, is when a lot of the smaller award winning movies get the spotlight. Green Book, made a lot of money, won Best Picture, etc. Hit dramas like Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones (kind of comic booky but not really) get a lot of viewers.

I think we live in a "the sky is falling" culture. One weirdo dictator makes a nuclear bomb threat and suddenly nuclear apocalypse is around the corner. The Studios make one or tow more comic book movies over their allotted three per year and suddenly comic book movies are all there is and are ingesting all the money for every other movie ever and cinema is dead. Baloney.

If one wants to watch smaller human scale dramas, one can find it easily. It's actually easier to find than it was 50 years ago.

Edited October 23, 2019 by @therealsilvermane

[newshane]

I guess my main complaint is the frequency of release. 

Our culture has absolutely been beaten over the head with Marvel superhero movies. They are losing their charm. I just can't get excited about them anymore. For the most part, I do enjoy them when I get around to watching. But I'm not waiting in line for the midnight matinee. 

I feel the same way now about Star Wars. I was SO excited for Episode 7 - The Force Awakens. 

The pending release of the next movie does not move my meter in the LEAST.  For the record, I was one of the few who were able to enjoy The Last Jedi for what is was - a popcorn movie. After all, that's all Star Wars ever was - a series of popcorn movies. 

But I've been beaten to death with the same ole stories and characters. ENOUGH! 

I could go 10 years without seeing another comic movie, and I am a huge comic fan. 

Like anything, the same ole' same ole' every day takes away the value. 

 

 

 

[Bosco685]

27 minutes ago, @therealsilvermane said:

Baloney on the idea that smaller films are all being ingested and cannabalized by behemoth Avengers movies or other giant tentpole flick.Y

Spoiler

 

ou also can't compare culture from 60 years ago to the culture of today. 60 years ago, the only way to watch a particular movie was to see it a theater or wait for it to be shown as a network TV movie special. With the arrival of cable and home video, there were suddenly more ways to watch movies. Today, with a larger cable TV choice, Netflix, Hulu, the internet, etc. the ways to watch movies of all size has increased tenfold. You can even watch a movie on your phone now. The way our modern culture consumes and views movies and shows is not the way it was 60, or even 20, years ago.

With so many ways to watch movies now, the amount of content has also increased tenfold. While the number of big budget summer family tentpole films has definitely increased over the years, the amount of smaller budget smaller story films (and shows because they count) has also increased. They just don't always get an AMC screen. But that's okay. Most viewers don't care and neither do the studios. As stated, most people feel they don't have to go to the theater to watch a good human drama. You can see it on your phone if you want.

So while there was an increase in Comic book movies released in spring and summer of 2019, we've also seen the overall content of movies of all sizes increase exponentially. These movies were not only released at AMC theaters, but at smaller theaters, Netflix, Hulu, HBO, on other cable networks, Amazon Prime, etc. While the general public has enjoyed the rise of the MCU at the cineplex, it has not been at the expense of smaller human drama. Jordan Peele is a pretty big filmmaker these days. The Oscars nominate eight movies a year and only one of them has ever been a comic book movie. In fact, movie awards season, which hits after Christmas, is when a lot of the smaller award winning movies get the spotlight. Green Book, made a lot of money, won Best Picture, etc. Hit dramas like Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones (kind of comic booky but not really) get a lot of viewers.

I think we live in a "the sky is falling" culture. One weirdo dictator makes a nuclear bomb threat and suddenly nuclear apocalypse is around the corner. The Studios make one or tow more comic book movies over their allotted three per year and suddenly comic book movies are all there is and are ingesting all the money for every other movie ever and cinema is dead. Baloney.

If one wants to watch smaller human scale dramas, one can find it easily. It's actually easier to find than it was 50 years ago.

 

 

Baloney? I say Salami, sir. Salami!

How could any studio trying to make a profit (all of them) ignore the massive returns these comic book films are achieving? Unfortunately, it is going to happen at times. Though some smaller studios stay dedicated to their focus because art-house films will compete in a space not touched by these super-behemoths.

[topofthetotem]

I’d like to offer my take on the current situation regarding Mr. Martin Scorsese and Mr. Francis Ford Coppola’s view one the state of modern cinema and those that feel the need to offer rebuttals and point out flaws in the two legendary filmmakers respective bodies of work as means to lessen the validity of said opinions.

 

 

Who cares?

Carry on! 
 

[@therealsilvermane]

9 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

Baloney? I say Salami, sir. Salami!

How could any studio trying to make a profit (all of them) ignore the massive returns these comic book films are achieving? Unfortunately, it is going to happen at times. Though some smaller studios stay dedicated to their focus because art-house films will compete in a space not touched by these super-behemoths.

I'm not even talking about art house films. When I say smaller films I'm talking about Green Book or The Favourite (starring Emma Stone) or Jordan Peele's Us or the latest version of A Star Was Born.

Art house films? There are literally thousands of "art house" films being made in just America every year, not to mention around the world. Some make it to AMC if they're popular enough, some screen on smaller theater screens, some get bought for television like Showtime, some screen at any of the thousands of film festivals across the country, some just get shown on the internet, etc. And just because they're labeled "art house" doesn't mean they're all art, either. There's more art and humanity in 3 minutes of Avengers Endgame than there are in the entirety of some these smaller movies I've seen.

[Bosco685]

2 minutes ago, @therealsilvermane said:

I'm not even talking about art house films. When I say smaller films I'm talking about Green Book or The Favourite (starring Emma Stone) or Jordan Peele's Us or the latest version of A Star Was Born.

Art house films? There are literally thousands of "art house" films being made in just America every year, not to mention around the world. Some make it to AMC if they're popular enough, some screen on smaller theater screens, some get bought for television like Showtime, some screen at any of the thousands of film festivals across the country, some just get shown on the internet, etc. And just because they're labeled "art house" doesn't mean they're all art, either. There's more art and humanity in 3 minutes of Avengers Endgame than there are in the entirety of some these smaller movies I've seen.

Brevity at times would help you greatly versus assuming more is better. Otherwise...

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Yes, smaller films have been made. Not debating that. But how many didn't get made because the studios felt they had reached their cap of smaller productions and they needed more big-budget films? Hard to say. But that could be the frustration we are seeing come out over the years. Which really should be directed at THE STUDIOS. Not the fans, and certainly not at the creative teams making these comic book films.

[@therealsilvermane]

59 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

Brevity at times would help you greatly versus assuming more is better. Otherwise...

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Yes, smaller films have been made. Not debating that. But how many didn't get made because the studios felt they had reached their cap of smaller productions and they needed more big-budget films? Hard to say. But that could be the frustration we are seeing come out over the years. Which really should be directed at THE STUDIOS. Not the fans, and certainly not at the creative teams making these comic book films.

What are you talking about? Anyway...

Here's a little article I found about a little startup company making award winning film content...

Meanwhile, Fox Searchlight Pictures (now owned by Disney) theatrically released 20+ "art house" films in 2018. Sony Pictures Classics theatrically released 16 "art house" films in 2018. Buena Vista Pictures released 3 MCU movies in 2018.

 

[Bosco685]

6 minutes ago, @therealsilvermane said:

What are you talking about? Anyway...

Here's a little article I found about a little startup company making award winning film content...

Meanwhile, Fox Searchlight Pictures (now owned by Disney) theatrically released 20+ "art house" films in 2018. Sony Pictures Classics theatrically released 16 "art house" films in 2018. Buena Vista Pictures released 3 MCU movies in 2018.

 

It's clear you have convinced yourself of something.