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ANT-MAN & THE WASP QUANTUMANIA directed by Peyton Reed (2023)
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On 2/28/2023 at 2:05 PM, NewWorldOrder said:

Until they either:

Get Spider-Man more involved again

bring back the original Avengers team (New Captain America or Iron Man) somehow some way

bring in FF and X-men

Restore Hulk to being a Alpha male and "hulk smash"

Thor not being a parody of himself

Stop or way cut down on the political agenda

This is all so obvious. Even so, I'll ask what sort of studio builds-up moneymaking, fan-favorite-across-all-demographics characters over a couple dozen movies & a dozen years only to discard them for terribly dull spin-off versions or to render them ridiculous? She-Hulk answers all such questions. If you want to know why the Disney P4 creatives did what they did, just watch She-Hulk. They make it explicitly clear. In light of She-Hulk, it makes sense that the climax of P4 was Scarlet Witch killing everyone in under 2 minutes. 

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On 2/28/2023 at 2:42 PM, TupennyConan said:

In light of She-Hulk, it makes sense that the climax of P4 was Scarlet Witch killing everyone in under 2 minutes. 

But like...how was that different from the Scarlet Witch portrayed in the House of M storyline?

WandaVision basically laid the groundwork for Scarlet Witch being the next MCU-wide big bad, a la House of M - and it did so masterfully. Leading to the pay-off of her evil and -psychosis in Dr. Strange 2.

In terms of loose adaptations, it's equivalent to the nod to Planet Hulk in Thor: Ragnarok.

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On 2/28/2023 at 11:42 AM, TupennyConan said:

This is all so obvious. Even so, I'll ask what sort of studio builds-up moneymaking, fan-favorite-across-all-demographics characters over a couple dozen movies & a dozen years only to discard them for terribly dull spin-off versions or to render them ridiculous? She-Hulk answers all such questions. If you want to know why the Disney P4 creatives did what they did, just watch She-Hulk. They make it explicitly clear. In light of She-Hulk, it makes sense that the climax of P4 was Scarlet Witch killing everyone in under 2 minutes. 

Everyone involved in the She-Hulk TV show should be fired and their friends/family should shun them like the walk of shame given to Cersei in Game of Thrones!

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On 2/28/2023 at 2:46 PM, Gatsby77 said:

But like...how was that different from the Scarlet Witch portrayed in the House of M storyline?

WandaVision basically laid the groundwork for Scarlet Witch being the next MCU-wide big bad, a la House of M - and it did so masterfully. Leading to the pay-off of her evil and -psychosis in Dr. Strange 2.

In terms of loose adaptations, it's equivalent to the nod to Planet Hulk in Thor: Ragnarok.

She-Hulk was Byrne-run accurate in many ways. Neither of these observations about comic book accuracy is my point.  

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On 2/28/2023 at 9:05 PM, NewWorldOrder said:

Restore Hulk to being a Alpha male and "hulk smash"

Last weekend I watched Bill Bixbys Hulk movie/pilot for the first time. Well it was cheap, bad and sometimes unintentionally funny but when Bill Bixby first transforms to Hulk in that storm it had that old horror film look. How cool it would be to have raging Hulk like frankenstein and also Wolverine/Weapon X meeting which looks like a horror film but yeah Hulk is comic relief character nowadays and every Marvel film has to have that same kinda feel and look. 

Also it is funny that we are so up in arms when something is not comic book accurate or character is changed. In that movie first they renamed Bruce to David and they changed the origin from gamma bomb story to some stupid thing where Bruce(sorry David) is trying to find answer why people have apparently enormous strength in the time of crisis :D 

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On 2/28/2023 at 2:05 PM, NewWorldOrder said:

If Ant-man 3 came out from 1978-2007 we all would think differently about this movie.

We also tend to forget there was a decent amount of trash MCU movies before End Game. :gossip:

I didn't love it, but I definitely didn't despise it either.  It was a average but still entertaining MCU movie in the cold winter of February.

Certainly better than mostly everything since Endgame. (Spider-man doesnt count it's Sony).

Phase 4 was a complete failure from top to bottom besides Dr Strange 2 (which I think the man reason people didnt like it was because they assumed every X-men/FF character ever was going to appear in that movie, and you are a easily fooled if you had those expectations).

Zero chance you will see major changes till 2024. 

Now if they think they can roll into Captain America New World Order, Avengers Kang Dynasty, and Avengers Secret Wars with these same main character side kicks mixed with young Avengers with DC rolling out there A players then I have once message for Kevin Feige.....

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Until they either:

Get Spider-Man more involved again

bring back the original Avengers team (New Captain America or Iron Man) somehow some way

bring in FF and X-men

Restore Hulk to being a Alpha male and "hulk smash"

Thor not being a parody of himself

Stop or way cut down on the political agenda

 

......Well things will be this boring until those changes are made.

This is where it gets tricky. As for years if anyone disliked MCU films then there could be an assumption they had Fox Marvel, Sony Marvel or DC bias. Yet many very much appreciated the early MCU films. But then a portion of fandom took that as the de facto CBM design, and proclaimed no other approach was relevant. And also felt it was their job to bash other CBMs in defense of their MCU. Now:

  1. Low RT score: "Oh that doesn't matter!" It sure mattered previously when used to degrade the standing of non-MCU films.
  2. Low RT score/high box office: "MCU films are ratings proof!" It just took time for that to wear off, and the initial glitter not being the critic kryptonite assumed.
  3. Lower box office: "We need a new success metric!" That sure didn't matter before when everything was golden.
  4. There were bad moves previously: CBMs have been around since 'The Adventures of Captain Marvel' serial (1941). Does that make modern bad movies better?

If anything Phase IV and now the entry into Phase V are studio lessons learned. Let Marvel Studios take its lessons in, rather than once again softening the blow.

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On 2/28/2023 at 12:48 PM, Bosco685 said:

This is where it gets tricky. As for years if anyone disliked MCU films then there could be an assumption they had Fox Marvel, Sony Marvel or DC bias. Yet many very much appreciated the early MCU films. But then a portion of fandom took that as the de facto CBM design, and proclaimed no other approach was relevant. And also felt it was their job to bash other CBMs in defense of their MCU. Now:

  1. Low RT score: "Oh that doesn't matter!" It sure mattered previously when used to degrade the standing of non-MCU films.
  2. Low RT score/high box office: "MCU films are ratings proof!" It just took time for that to wear off, and the initial glitter not being the critic kryptonite assumed.
  3. Lower box office: "We need a new success metric!" That sure didn't matter before when everything was golden.
  4. There were bad moves previously: CBMs have been around since 'The Adventures of Captain Marvel' serial (1941). Does that make modern bad movies better?

If anything Phase IV and now the entry into Phase V are studio lessons learned. Let Marvel Studios take its lessons in, rather than once again softening the blow.

So are you saying the MCU learned its lesson and will get better after GOTG 3?

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