grapeape Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 31 minutes ago, AnkurJ said: There’s a reason the auction was private. Even when eBay names are hidden to have a private auction tells me you may have something to hide. With all the inquiries they received I’m sure greed set in. Red red flags! Believe me I was very interested in this one. The bidding, the bidder feedbacks and the private auction. My Spider senses were tingling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 The public auction was to set the floor for the subsequent private auction. Nice. Of course none of this would work if there weren't various private parties willingly to play the game. You all know who you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taro90 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, lobrac said: Wow, what a badge of honor. A real high point year for the company. Actually, Terry Stewart was president of Marvel Comics from the late 80's to around 96 when the company went bankrupt. A lot of people blamed him for the bankruptcy. There was a comic that was released by the original 7 Image creators, (Mcfarlane, Lee, Liefeld, Larsen...etc) that blamed him for them leaving Marvel and creating Image. The comic had something to do with the original 7 Image creators not getting enough credit and not getting enough in residuals, when their books were selling in the millions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESeffinga Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Pretty sure Lobrac was being sarcastic, but by all means, continue with the history lesson anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delekkerste Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, vodou said: Cap is $100, so big deal against 25k Cap is now $750, not $100. Still despicable behavior, to be sure. Edited January 9, 2020 by delekkerste mister_not_so_nice and AnkurJ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 36 minutes ago, delekkerste said: Cap is now $750, not $100. greedy buggers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumbydarnit Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) If you see a stellar piece on ebay rest assured the seller is getting constantly hit with offers to sell it off site. These folks don't want to compete with other eager bidders. More often than not these pieces are yanked "Item no longer available". It stinks, but it is the game that's played. Knowing that is happening, if you are interested, you have to come up with your own counter measures, but I always would rather the piece to be auctioned off fair and square... highest bidder wins. Edited January 9, 2020 by gumbydarnit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, gumbydarnit said: If you see a stellar piece on ebay rest assured the seller is getting constantly hit with offers to sell it off site. These folks don't want to compete with other eager bidders. More often than not these pieces are yanked "Item no longer available". It stinks, but it is the game that's played. Knowing that is happening, if you are interested, you have to come up with your own counter measures, but I always would rather the piece to be auctioned off fair and square... highest bidder wins. Same thing must’ve happened to this Kelley Jones page from Sandman #5. I don’t get how sellers can get away with this. I remember around 2011-12 when I was a green seller on eBay, a buyer wanted to work with me outside of eBay. I must’ve sent him my email or number through the messaging system and eBay flagged me immediately for attempting to violate their policy. After that I imagined that ebay has algorithms that flag email addresses and phone numbers and possibly key words and phrases. So how do sellers pull off these shenanigans? They just take the penalties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aokartman Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I have taken offers to end auctions early on EBAY, but I revise the listing for the buyer to "buy now" at their higher price and it has always worked. I only do it if there are no other bidders. EBAY gets their cut, and the buyer gets the comfort of the site security. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCarter27 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 14 hours ago, O. said: The eBay auction winner is a close friend, and he's as real as it gets in our market. The second he showed me the seller's eBay messages refusing to honour his winning bid, I told him she probably got a higher private offer off eBay. Despicable behaviour on the seller's part. Is he a non-U.S. collector? If so, that might have been what scared her off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, gumbydarnit said: If you see a stellar piece on ebay rest assured the seller is getting constantly hit with offers to sell it off site. These folks don't want to compete with other eager bidders. More often than not these pieces are yanked "Item no longer available". It stinks, but it is the game that's played. Knowing that is happening, if you are interested, you have to come up with your own counter measures, but I always would rather the piece to be auctioned off fair and square... highest bidder wins. You are absolutely correct. Always a possibility that a private deal gets worked out before end of auction. Theres only so much you can do as a potential buyer. I made contact when the bids jumped from $5100-$10,000. I asked the seller for provenance, I tried to encourage seller to stay in it until the end of the auction. It’s frustrating when auctions comes down early. This one actually did come to the end. If that final bid was not honored it’s a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 42 minutes ago, Jay Olie Espy said: Same thing must’ve happened to this Kelley Jones page from Sandman #5. I don’t get how sellers can get away with this. I remember around 2011-12 when I was a green seller on eBay, a buyer wanted to work with me outside of eBay. I must’ve sent him my email or number through the messaging system and eBay flagged me immediately for attempting to violate their policy. After that I imagined that ebay has algorithms that flag email addresses and phone numbers and possibly key words and phrases. So how do sellers pull off these shenanigans? They just take the penalties? I was following this one also. Bidding was heating up then GONE... I believe the seller has 12 hours before end of auction to cancel-end even with bids. It’s supposed to be for legitimate reasons and seller has to declare what those reasons are. its misused all the time and frustrating. In the case of Wolverine 85 the auction came to a conclusion and the final bid should be honored. There’s a difference. Ending auctions early is maybe unfair but technically within the rules under certain situations. How can eBay be taken seriously if a winning bid is not honored. Imagine HA letting an auction come to conclusion and then saying sorry, no sale.... Shenanigans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, alxjhnsn said: Thought I'd add the picture for future reference since eBay will eventually get rid of it. Here is the bidding history. Thoughts? Edited January 9, 2020 by grapeape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, grapeape said: I was following this one also. Bidding was heating up then GONE... I believe the seller has 12 hours before end of auction to cancel-end even with bids. It’s supposed to be for legitimate reasons and seller has to declare what those reasons are. its misused all the time and frustrating. In the case of Wolverine 85 the auction came to a conclusion and the final bid should be honored. There’s a difference. Ending auctions early is maybe unfair but technically within the rules under certain situations. How can eBay be taken seriously if a winning bid is not honored. Imagine HA letting an auction come to conclusion and then saying sorry, no sale.... Shenanigans. You’re absolutely right. I didn’t put into consideration that ending auctions early is within the confines of allowable actions and is a different beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 25 minutes ago, Jay Olie Espy said: You’re absolutely right. I didn’t put into consideration that ending auctions early is within the confines of allowable actions and is a different beast. ebay...,,,sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironmandrd Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Reading these posts reminds me of losing a BWS Iron Man page on Ebay a few years ago where I was the high bidder for a good period of time (but at less than FMV) - but the seller was lured into canceling the auction and selling it privately without letting me know she was taking private offers. I reported her to Ebay. grapeape 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 46 minutes ago, Ironmandrd said: Reading these posts reminds me of losing a BWS Iron Man page on Ebay a few years ago where I was the high bidder for a good period of time (but at less than FMV) - but the seller was lured into canceling the auction and selling it privately without letting me know she was taking private offers. I reported her to Ebay. I’ve been there too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie.Merwin Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) I'm surprised at the price The Kubert Wolvie cover sold at. Is this the norm now for Adam's Wolverine work from this era, or was this just an aberration? Edited January 9, 2020 by Jamie.Merwin Incorrect word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 6 hours ago, aokartman said: I have taken offers to end auctions early on EBAY, but I revise the listing for the buyer to "buy now" at their higher price and it has always worked. I only do it if there are no other bidders. EBAY gets their cut, and the buyer gets the comfort of the site security. David That’s honest and fair. And keeps your sale security and n both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 28 minutes ago, Jamie.Merwin said: I'm surprised at the price The Kubert Wolvie cover sold at. Is this the norm now for Adam's Wolverine work from this era, or was this just an aberration? It blows the lid off the Wolverine 75 cover where the adamantium is ripped out by Magneto. Same art team. That might be a more “important” cover for nostalgic story telling. It sold for $10,000 and a few dollars more a few years back at HA. I think the 85 cover is superior artistically and just a magnificent specimen. I think the mind blowing art, the fresh to market angle and a shot at grabbing a win off eBay with limited exposure all contributed to the madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...