HouseofComics.Com Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Now who changed more in appearance after just a few years, Archie, the Peanuts gang, or Mike Doonesbury? Marc Well, Archie changed dramatically in the first couple of issues of Pep--going from a 12 year old (or so) to a mid teenager. After that he was pretty consistent for several years. So, I would have to go with Peanuts as my answer When did the buck-teeth stop? OT: Did you ever see the Yale Doonesbury cartoons? Unbelievable difference in the art. Did Trudeau just get good fast or is there some mystery ghost? Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heinlein99 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 You've already got me started buying lots of Archies, you rat. My favorite era is the late 60s, and my favorite title is Madhouse. Now, don't get me started on these golden-age issues... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrunkenhead Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Wow, what a great set of books. I'm in awe. I've never been a Pep/Archie guy, but these books sure make me want to start. Must resist....new...collecting...interest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 First appearance of Archie's Jalopy--which amazingly enough changed very little over the next 30 years. Great covers! Now who changed more in appearance after just a few years, Archie, the Peanuts gang, or Mike Doonesbury? Marc Well, Archie changed dramatically in the first couple of issues of Pep--going from a 12 year old (or so) to a mid teenager. After that he was pretty consistent for several years. So, I would have to go with Peanuts as my answer When exactly did this change in age take place in terms of issue number. Which age category did Archie belong to in his first Jackpot Comics appearance in issue #4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
143ksk Posted August 21, 2005 Author Share Posted August 21, 2005 You know, I'm still not sure who did that cover for Jackpot 6. It's been attributed to Novick at one time and to Montana at another time. What do you think? I have a harder time believing that it's by Montana than by Novick, but I don't think it's obviously either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
143ksk Posted August 21, 2005 Author Share Posted August 21, 2005 When did the buck-teeth stop? OT: Did you ever see the Yale Doonesbury cartoons? Unbelievable difference in the art. Did Trudeau just get good fast or is there some mystery ghost? Marc The buck teeth went well into the '50s, but I'm not sure when they ended. Archie was getting more and more attractive during that time frame and the buck teeth became more stylized. This gives me a new idea for a thread: "The Beautification of Archie 1941-1961." My guess on the Trudeau issue is that the Yale paper was willing to print the poorly drawn version of Doonesbury, but Trudeau knew he had no chance of selling it to a syndicate if it didn't look a whole lot smoother. So, I would assume he practiced and spent more time on each strip and the effort showed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
143ksk Posted August 21, 2005 Author Share Posted August 21, 2005 Well, Archie changed dramatically in the first couple of issues of Pep--going from a 12 year old (or so) to a mid teenager. After that he was pretty consistent for several years. So, I would have to go with Peanuts as my answer When exactly did this change in age take place in terms of issue number. Which age category did Archie belong to in his first Jackpot Comics appearance in issue #4? Actually, Pep 22 was the only issue where Archie and Betty appeared to be in the pre to early teen stage. Even by Pep 23, they were considerably older. Jackpot 4 would also fall into the older catagory. If you sign up to Shield's site www.goldcomics.com, you can view all the early Archie appearances (not to mention all the other MLJ characters). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakapo Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 The buck teeth went well into the '50s, but I'm not sure when they ended. Archie was getting more and more attractive during that time frame and the buck teeth became more stylized. This gives me a new idea for a thread: "The Beautification of Archie 1941-1961." Rather than start that new thread, I'll just lazily post in this one. Archie kept the gap in his front teeth after becoming cute; and since I literally had nothing better to do, I found that in Archie #92 (May/June 1958), he has no gap, but in Archie's Christmas Stocking #5 (1958, no month), he has the gap on the cover headshot, and in some but not all of the interior panels. Conclusion: er, sometime in 1958. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HouseofComics.Com Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Conclusion: er, sometime in 1958. Cool! I will check that out. Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hand ® Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 You know, I'm still not sure who did that cover for Jackpot 6. It's been attributed to Novick at one time and to Montana at another time. What do you think? I have a harder time believing that it's by Montana than by Novick, but I don't think it's obviously either I agree, it almost looks like two artist did the cover, one did the background and another for the main action. Steel Sterling looks like Novick's work, but could also be King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
143ksk Posted August 29, 2005 Author Share Posted August 29, 2005 Well, Archie changed dramatically in the first couple of issues of Pep--going from a 12 year old (or so) to a mid teenager. After that he was pretty consistent for several years. So, I would have to go with Peanuts as my answer When exactly did this change in age take place in terms of issue number. Which age category did Archie belong to in his first Jackpot Comics appearance in issue #4? Actually, Pep 22 was the only issue where Archie and Betty appeared to be in the pre to early teen stage. Even by Pep 23, they were considerably older. Jackpot 4 would also fall into the older catagory. If you sign up to Shield's site www.goldcomics.com, you can view all the early Archie appearances (not to mention all the other MLJ characters). OK, here are some representative pictures from the very early Pep issues: Archie in Pep 22: Betty in Pep 22: Both are clearly not the 16/17 year olds we expect of the Archie group. Here's Betty in Pep 25 (I would have shown a pic from Pep 23, but I'm not brave enough to scan it ). Clearly, Betty is significantly older than she was 3 months ago! And, finally, the first appearance of Veronica one month later: Note Archie's tongue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
143ksk Posted August 29, 2005 Author Share Posted August 29, 2005 The buck teeth went well into the '50s, but I'm not sure when they ended. Archie was getting more and more attractive during that time frame and the buck teeth became more stylized. This gives me a new idea for a thread: "The Beautification of Archie 1941-1961." Rather than start that new thread, I'll just lazily post in this one. Archie kept the gap in his front teeth after becoming cute; and since I literally had nothing better to do, I found that in Archie #92 (May/June 1958), he has no gap, but in Archie's Christmas Stocking #5 (1958, no month), he has the gap on the cover headshot, and in some but not all of the interior panels. Conclusion: er, sometime in 1958. Looking at the title Archie Comics, the tooth gap is coming to an end in the 1955/56 period. The last issue that has the gap on the cover is Archie #75 July 1955): The first issue that clearly does not have the gap is Archie #78 (Jan 1956): Archie #81 (July 1956) shows the classic Archie title (with the Archie head) that would become standard for Archie books into the early '70s: I would assume that the change to the non-gapped tooth Archie on the "mast head" of the flagship title showed a definite editorial decision to eliminate the earlier version. As kakapo points out, however, there were scattered appearances of the "old" Archie for at least a few years. I don't know if that was stockpiled art or if some artists were just slow to adopt the new look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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143ksk Posted September 17, 2005 Author Share Posted September 17, 2005 (edited) Pep Comics #36 February 1943 And last, but certainly not least, my vote for all time classic Archie cover (and the beginning of the end for the MLJ superheroes...) To me that cover says it all! That's why I love golden age so much! Yeah, I liked it so much I comissioned a recreation. It's by Dan Parent (a current Archie artist) and is twice up size. Sorry about the flash, I haven't really figured out how to take good pictures of original art Edited September 17, 2005 by 143ksk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hand ® Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 I love your passion for Archie! Do you collect the rest of the MLJ titles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
143ksk Posted September 17, 2005 Author Share Posted September 17, 2005 The only MLJ titles that I've seriously collected have been Pep, Jackpot, Hangman and Shield-Wizard. Never been a big Top-Notch, Blue Ribbon or Zip fan. At this point though, It's pretty much just the Archie titles for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
143ksk Posted June 11, 2006 Author Share Posted June 11, 2006 (edited) OK, thanks to Timely I now have the books to post Archie's second year in covers. Once again, I plan to cheat a little and post all of the Pep run that has superheroes on the cover. That will get us to Pep 50. After that issue, even though they continued through Pep 65, there are no more superhero appearances on the covers. Pep Comics 37 March 1943. Cover by Harry Sahle. Edited June 11, 2006 by 143ksk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
143ksk Posted June 11, 2006 Author Share Posted June 11, 2006 (edited) Pep Comics 38 April 1943. Archie is becoming more popular as shown by the banner across the masthead. The cover is one of the better of the late Pep war covers and is at least partially by Alex Schomburg. Edited June 11, 2006 by 143ksk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
