Advice needed for a ebay problem - I'm the seller 3 3

[Hollywood1892]

9 minutes ago, G G ® said:

This has been known to happen over the years since inception for sure. The reason being different personnel over different periods IMO.

I guess my biggest concern when that happens is the different value in grades, for example a 9.8 generally increases by 2.5 times the value of a 9.6, I wonder how much margin of error or how many times that has happened? Because we are talking a considerable difference in resale value

[pemart1966]

6 hours ago, G.A.tor said:

my guess is if buyer states "book not as described" you will be forced to refund...it is really that cut and dry these days it seems

How can the buyer do that if he's already left positive feedback?

[Paul © ® ⚽️💙™]

2 minutes ago, Hollywood1892 said:

I guess my biggest concern when that happens is the different value in grades, for example a 9.8 generally increases by 2.5 times the value of a 9.6, I wonder how much margin of error or how many times that has happened? Because we are talking a considerable difference in resale value

It's one of life's great mysteries. 

[Hollywood1892]

1 minute ago, G G ® said:

It's one of life's great mysteries. 

And the difference between valuing a collectible versus valuing a stock, and determining its resale value

With a stock, it is determined by peoples needs ie gasoline/oil and that is why we can see the trajectory of crude oil prices trending south because a lack of demand for it due to isolation

Versus collectibles being a want/desire and sometimes people pay for the grade rather then the art/story/book

[Paul © ® ⚽️💙™]

2 minutes ago, Hollywood1892 said:

Versus collectibles being a want/desire and sometimes people pay for the grade rather then the art/story/book

I love art and stories (GA stories particularly) but I always buy the book for the look of the book, not the grade.

[Gaard]

I remember CAK used to guarantee his grades (at least on some of his books). He'd even refund your grading fees if CGC disagreed with him. I wonder if that worked for him.

[Hollywood1892]

5 minutes ago, G G ® said:

I love art and stories (GA stories particularly) but I always buy the book for the look of the book, not the grade.

Exactly!

Because you can get a grade of 9.8 that doesn't look 'perfect' to you

[Paul © ® ⚽️💙™]

2 minutes ago, Hollywood1892 said:

Exactly!

Because you can get a grade of 9.8 that doesn't look 'perfect' to you

Yep, even 9.8s can look imperfect. If I ever get a 9.8, or rather in the past when I dipped into moderns and such, I expected a 9.8 to not only look absolutely perfect, but wake me up with a cup of tea in the morning.

[Hollywood1892]

1 minute ago, G G ® said:

Yep, even 9.8s can look imperfect. If I ever get a 9.8, or rather in the past when I dipped into moderns and such, I expected a 9.8 to not only look absolutely perfect, but wake me up with a cup of tea in the morning.

I have a 9.8 that does that every morning 

But it's coffee, not tea!

[Paul © ® ⚽️💙™]

3 minutes ago, Hollywood1892 said:

I have a 9.8 that does that every morning 

But it's coffee, not tea!

I should have said coffee 'cos I prefer that in the morning. My quintessential englishness subconsciously kicked in. Please excuse me old bean.

Edited April 12, 2020 by G G ®

[Hollywood1892]

3 minutes ago, G G ® said:

I should have said coffee 'cos I prefer that in the morning. My quintessential englishness subconsciously kicked in. Please excuse me old bean.

Your excused

[Buzzetta]

1 hour ago, THE_BEYONDER said:

It’s not rocket science.  If you know how to grade, put a grade on the books you’re selling.

If people put on their big boy pants and could be rational and reasonable I would agree with you.   However we live in a day and age where if I say, "It's an 8.0" and someone submits it and it comes back a 7.5 people want their money back and a partial refund.   I think it is best to assign the generic system of Fa, G, VG, F, VF, NM to a book with +/- if you want, front and back scans and a disclosure of perception of page color.  But I also disagree with partial refunds.  Either you want the book or you don't.

When I got back into comics, I faced the above situation.  I bought a copy of ASM 23 and was told it would be a 8.0 from Metropolis.  It came back a 7.5.  I shrugged and said +/-5 is the way it goes I guess. When I resubmitted a book to be CPR'd the page quality changed.  I am pretty sure that the PQ did not improve due to a press.   

Grading is subjective and I know you know that but there are many that don't and look to take advantage of it.  

If people are going to assign a grade I would always recommend putting a range in there... an HONEST range.  9.2-9.4 is not horrible and gives some wiggle room. People forget that a NM comic book is a 9.4 according to CGC.  It is not a 9.8 but it seems everyone expects their books to be 9.8's. 

 

[Buzzetta]

20 minutes ago, Gaard said:

I remember CAK used to guarantee his grades (at least on some of his books). He'd even refund your grading fees if CGC disagreed with him. I wonder if that worked for him.

Anyone ever inquire about contracting him to build one of his infamous 400sqft fire pits? 

[Paul © ® ⚽️💙™]

5 minutes ago, Buzzetta said:

But I also disagree with partial refunds.  Either you want the book or you don't.

A while back I sold a book on ebay, I think it was to someone in Spain. Anyways I bomb-proofed it packing wise, then about after a week after it arrived (I tracked it) the guy gets on to me and says the book was horribly damaged (the slab) and suggests a 50% refund. So I tells him to send me pics, but he says his camera is broke, so I says no partial refund, send it back to me and I'll refund in full plus postage both ways. 48 hours later he responds saying he'll keep the book.

Gotta love ebay and it's many chancers.

[kav]

6 minutes ago, G G ® said:

A while back I sold a book on ebay, I think it was to someone in Spain. Anyways I bomb-proofed it packing wise, then about after a week after it arrived (I tracked it) the guy gets on to me and says the book was horribly damaged (the slab) and suggests a 50% refund. So I tells him to send me pics, but he says his camera is broke, so I says no partial refund, send it back to me and I'll refund in full plus postage both ways. 48 hours later he responds saying he'll keep the book.

Gotta love ebay and it's many chancers.

Nice try chump.

Edited April 12, 2020 by kav

[Hollywood1892]

4 minutes ago, G G ® said:

A while back I sold a book on ebay, I think it was to someone in Spain. Anyways I bomb-proofed it packing wise, then about after a week after it arrived (I tracked it) the guy gets on to me and says the book was horribly damaged (the slab) and suggests a 50% refund. So I tells him to send me pics, but he says his camera is broke, so I says no partial refund, send it back to me and I'll refund in full plus postage both ways. 48 hours later he responds saying he'll keep the book.

Gotta love ebay and it's many chancers.

WHAT A SCUMBAG he is!

You played his bluff like a hand of hold 'em

He said "The book is damaged"

You said "Ya don't say!"

[kav]

7 minutes ago, G G ® said:

A while back I sold a book on ebay, I think it was to someone in Spain. Anyways I bomb-proofed it packing wise, then about after a week after it arrived (I tracked it) the guy gets on to me and says the book was horribly damaged (the slab) and suggests a 50% refund. So I tells him to send me pics, but he says his camera is broke, so I says no partial refund, send it back to me and I'll refund in full plus postage both ways. 48 hours later he responds saying he'll keep the book.

Gotta love ebay and it's many chancers.

And these are the people folks are saying you should list grades for and guarantee stuff. 

[Paul © ® ⚽️💙™]

1 minute ago, kav said:

Nice try chump.

I won't bore you with the amount of times people have tried to pull similar scams on me on ebay over the last 19 years, but it's a lot.

[Hollywood1892]

Just now, G G ® said:

I won't bore you with the amount of times people have tried to pull similar scams on me on ebay over the last 19 years, but it's a lot.

I'm listening 

[Paul © ® ⚽️💙™]

2 minutes ago, Hollywood1892 said:

WHAT A SCUMBAG he is!

You played his bluff like a hand of hold 'em

He said "The book is damaged"

You said "Ya don't say!"

Hey! I'm more handsome than that!