Popular Post Lee B. Posted October 9, 2020 Popular Post Posted October 9, 2020 Did someone say we need some new topics on this board? I often see pieces in Heritage Signature auctions that have been offered up before through CBG, dealer catalogs, etc. from the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. For the upcoming November auction, I decided to list some "familiar" pieces so bidders can know a bit more about their provenance. Only three so far, but I will continue to update as more scans are posted to Heritage: Dale Keown She-Hulk #13 cover https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/dale-keown-and-ernie-colon-the-sensational-she-hulk-13-cover-original-art-cover-marvel-19/p/7236-40004.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 http://www.comicartads.com/content/she-hulk-13-cover John Byrne She-Hulk 36 page 9 https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/john-byrne-and-keith-williams-the-sensational-she-hulk-36-story-page-9-original-art-marvel/p/7236-40006.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 http://www.comicartads.com/content/she-hulk-36-page-9 Ross Andru DC Comics Presents 16 cover https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/ross-andru-and--giordano-dc-comics-presents-16-cover-original-art-dc-1979-/p/7236-193002.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 http://www.comicartads.com/content/dc-comics-presents-16-cover ThothAmon, Timely, zhamlau and 6 others 8 1
vodou Posted October 9, 2020 Posted October 9, 2020 39 minutes ago, Lee B. said: Dale Keown She-Hulk #13 cover https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/dale-keown-and-ernie-colon-the-sensational-she-hulk-13-cover-original-art-cover-marvel-19/p/7236-40004.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 http://www.comicartads.com/content/she-hulk-13-cover $350 in 1992 from Horvitz - STRONG ask for the era. Not even actual "Hulk"! grapeape and Lee B. 2
RBerman Posted October 9, 2020 Posted October 9, 2020 This would be especially helpful for establishing the provenance of non-published work like commissions. Unfortunately many collectors are a secretive lot and don't want their treasures publicly documented like that. I would imagine that the busiest dealers maintain their own databases on all auction results, probably with private notations about behind-the-scenes happenings like dealers "buying" their own pieces and the like. Knowledge is power! It would be nice if that information were publicly available like house sales are, but it wouldn't be in the best interests of the database owners to do that. Lee B., exitmusicblue, alxjhnsn and 1 other 4
aokartman Posted October 9, 2020 Posted October 9, 2020 Thanks Lee, I really appreciate your efforts! I agree with vodou that $350 was a strong ask for the She-Hulk cover in 1992. I picked up a slew of various covers in 1995 for $10-20 apiece. Granted, I may have been right place, right time, but still... This cover will blow away the $350 number, and continue the upward trends, in my opinion. David Lee B. 1
J.Sid Posted October 9, 2020 Posted October 9, 2020 ...Just don't include screenshots from all the Dealer Websites who mark items as "Sold" when they consign them to HA. Lee B. 1
grapeape Posted October 9, 2020 Posted October 9, 2020 The call answered!! Lee your tireless archive work is so appreciated. Great topic. Lee B. 1
jjonahjameson11 Posted October 11, 2020 Posted October 11, 2020 On 10/9/2020 at 9:41 AM, vodou said: $350 in 1992 from Horvitz - STRONG ask for the era. Not even actual "Hulk"! Sold at HA in 2015 for $5.5K...a STRONG result Lee B. and grapeape 2
aokartman Posted October 11, 2020 Posted October 11, 2020 1 hour ago, jjonahjameson11 said: Sold at HA in 2015 for $5.5K...a STRONG result Nice catch! Lee B. 1
cloud cloddie Posted October 11, 2020 Posted October 11, 2020 50 minutes ago, aokartman said: Nice catch! This cover is giving me The Boys S2 E6 vibes.
vodou Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 4 hours ago, jjonahjameson11 said: Sold at HA in 2015 for $5.5K...a STRONG result Nearly 15 years to get 15x...WEAK ROI
aokartman Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, vodou said: Nearly 15 years to get 15x...WEAK ROI But, if you were just buying on a whim, it is a good place to be. Some people had $350 to burn then just like others have $35,000 now.
vodou Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 Just now, aokartman said: But, if you were just buying on a whim, it is a good place to be. Some people had $350 to burn then just like others have $35,000 now. Only pointed it out because the opportunity cost was pretty high, and born out true by the decades that have followed. IF you were committed to OA for $350...why not a 70s Trimpe Hulk cover? Same price. And much better ROI.
Bronty Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, vodou said: Nearly 15 years to get 15x...WEAK ROI Nearly 25 years! 92 to 05.. or am I missing something
vodou Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 9 hours ago, Bronty said: Nearly 25 years! 92 to 05.. or am I missing something You're only missing that my eyesight is just that bad! I saw 2005 and would have placed a sizeable bet on it too if such had been proferred Nearly 25 years...truly awful ROI That's not a statement about 2015 purchase price, but rather, again, the aggressiveness of the 1992 Horvitz price. Hey, maybe @Lee B. will share with us what else the "vintage cover market" was offering for around $350 or less then too...the "alternatives"?
vodou Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 Actually, I'll just do it From January 1993: Conclusion: So many GREAT options for LESS and a JB Subby for SAME. Keown Shulkie...too much Lee B. and Twanj 1 1
Bronty Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) Agreed. Cool cover though. And still better then spending 350 on x force 1’s Edited October 12, 2020 by Bronty Twanj 1
Lee B. Posted October 12, 2020 Author Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, vodou said: Actually, I'll just do it From January 1993: Conclusion: So many GREAT options for LESS and a JB Subby for SAME. Keown Shulkie...too much Nice work Vodou! Just to clarify, the December 1992 ad was from TriState (Hans K.), not Horvitz. In the very same ad, you also had these covers, one of which (at least) was similarly aggressively priced: http://www.comicartads.com/content/ghost-rider-9-cover http://www.comicartads.com/content/what-if-24-cover And here's a few more covers offered in December 1992 from other sellers (mostly Ike Wilson): http://www.comicartads.com/content/classic-x-men-27-cover http://www.comicartads.com/content/captain-america-108-cover http://www.comicartads.com/content/amazing-adventures-6-cover http://www.comicartads.com/content/nick-fury-agent-shield-3-cover Another other bargains or bad investments? Kirby v. Kaluta? Cheers, Lee dirtymartini1 and Twanj 2
vodou Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 47 minutes ago, Lee B. said: Just to clarify, the December 1992 ad was from TriState (Hans K.), not Horvitz. Thanks. My attention to detail is really bad these days, evidence being my posts the last two days Perhaps Life is telling me: it's time to retire from public life...oh wait, I already have
vodou Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 57 minutes ago, Bronty said: Agreed. Cool cover though. And still better then spending 350 on x force 1’s That's exactly what I was doing at the time, I'd opened a Diamond account and was buying cases of "hot" new comics for 45% off cover (iirc) and flipping them for 10x cover at local monthly conventions! I did get stuck with a lot, but the early profits more than covered the unsolds (which I still have today ) and bought me a nice (not cherry though) '74 Corvette too. aardvark88 1
glendgold Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lee B. said: And here's a few more covers offered in December 1992 from other sellers (mostly Ike Wilson): http://www.comicartads.com/content/captain-america-108-cover I think that cover didn't sell then, as it ended up in the summer 1993 Sotheby's auction. I want to say it went for $1800 there, but I don't have my catalogue in front of me. Edited October 12, 2020 by glendgold typo Twanj 1
