laremy Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) Edited November 16, 2020 by laremy RaleighComicBookCollector 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funnybooks Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I'm afraid to touch this one Really nice presenting book Rust has migrated onto pages and makes it difficult to grade as the covers are so clean I'll put my reputation on the line and risk never being able to get a job as a grader for CGC... 3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 4.0 IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laremy Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 Thank you to you both, the clear rust combined with a great cover are making it tough on me lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthingskryptonite Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 My guess is 5.0 The cover looks so sharp! Rust migration would surely bring the grade down. But I believe it would still grade 4.0+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaleighComicBookCollector Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Presents well - the wrap is off which makes me think the staple(s) is/are not tight which is contributing to the pages showing past the right hand side of the front cover. CGC will take off for the rust and should note "Rusty Staples" on the label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laremy Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 Just sent it in, will report back with how it does. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1950's war comics Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, laremy said: Just sent it in, will report back with how it does. Thanks! good call ! get it graded and you might get a higher grade than the 4.0 i would call it ..... will look great in the CGC case !! FoggyNelson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpoolica Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 4.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNiPER Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Looking at the first three pictures I though I was looking at a NM copy of one of my favorite SA key books! Still wondering how those staples got so rusty on a NM looking copy. Deductions for rusty and migrating staples on a otherwise very high grade SA key comic should be interesting, I'm guessing 4.5 but hoping CGC will go 5.0 in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laremy Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 And the verdict is ... "COVERLESS. (COVER IS A COLOR COPY.) Staples replaced." Bought it raw from someone I didn't know, should have known better. Basically a forgery, I'll keep it around as a valuable lesson lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysterymachine Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Sorry to hear that. If you purchased it from ebay maybe you can contact them about a return?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laremy Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 Nope, raw from a dealer. I could go back and complain, but I'll probably just avoid the place from here on out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowatt Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 You`re taking that one well. Don`t think I`d be so nice. laremy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funnybooks Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I'd gather the mob with pitchforks. Get your money back and still consider it a learning moment. Why should you have to pay for such deception? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James J Johnson Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 On 11/23/2020 at 2:08 PM, SNiPER said: Looking at the first three pictures I though I was looking at a NM copy of one of my favorite SA key books! Still wondering how those staples got so rusty on a NM looking copy. Deductions for rusty and migrating staples on a otherwise very high grade SA key comic should be interesting, I'm guessing 4.5 but hoping CGC will go 5.0 in this case. Yes. And why that isn't the original placement for the original factory stapling, or the original staples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James J Johnson Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, laremy said: And the verdict is ... "COVERLESS. (COVER IS A COLOR COPY.) Staples replaced." Bought it raw from someone I didn't know, should have known better. Basically a forgery, I'll keep it around as a valuable lesson lol. Absolutely. Two sets of staple holes, and other staple inconsistencies. Well, listen here, if it's any consolation at least one good thing has come of this: laremy and The Lions Den 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Yes, very sorry to hear this, but the clues were there. By all means, get your money back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funnybooks Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 minute ago, The Lions Den said: Yes, very sorry to hear this, but the clues were there. By all means, get your money back... The book just "felt" off. The covers are so clean and the rust happened to just migrate onto the pages. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Funnybooks said: The book just "felt" off. The covers are so clean and the rust happened to just migrate onto the pages. I love the fact that you "felt" that something was wrong. But I like to back it up with evidence as well... In this case, there are some pretty compelling visual clues: 1) Of course the rust on the pages (but not on the cover) is instantly suspicious, but the staples themselves don't appear to be rusty (to make those kinds of stains, the staples should be extremely rusty). They also don't appear to line up with the original holes in the paper and at the centerfold they don't look correct. It looks to me like the existing staples have been artificially manipulated. So my conclusion would be that those aren't the original staples, either. 2) If we look carefully at the cover, it appears to have been trimmed in an effort to match it up with the interior. Not a bad job, but it's pretty obvious it doesn't match up that well. So then the question becomes whether or not it's a married cover or a color copy. From the color copies I've seen, I've never seen one which could reproduce the dot matrix pattern with any real clarity. In fact, the person that created this deception probably didn't even care about that, but it's a very important clue. A quick check with a loupe would have confirmed this. In addition, modern paper simply doesn't have the same look or feel that vintage paper does---there are subtle yet noticeable differences between the two. 3) Then comes the question of why someone would go to this kind of trouble to deceive a potential buyer---I've seen books that make you wonder. In this case, of course it's the profit potential, which is what it's all about... 1 hour ago, laremy said: Nope, raw from a dealer. I could go back and complain, but I'll probably just avoid the place from here on out. I strongly urge you to get your money back. Any dealer worth his salt should have been able to tell this book had been tampered with. And if they couldn't tell, then they need to educate themselves on the differences between an original copy and one with a color copy cover or have it professionally graded. Ignorance is no longer bliss. Kudos to you for sending it to CGC; I'm just sorry this is the result... Funnybooks, buddy2 and James J Johnson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...