JOENAVY Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 How did I just get a 7.5 for the Namor #1 with so minor grading note issues and then an 8.5 for Black Knight #1 with way more issues and serious ones?! Should I or better yet can I complain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveinthecity Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Grader’s Notes aren’t a detailed accounting of every flaw or blemish. Some books don’t have Grader’s Notes at all. I think you’re ahead of the game in the sense that CGC listed flaws they absolutely downgraded for, so it’s not a complete mystery. If you disagree with the grade(s) given, that’s another thing entirely. Post some images and get opinions and feedback. Welcome to the boards & hope you enjoy your time here. Keys_Collector, The Lions Den, JOENAVY and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning55 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Over time, I have seen some grades that are completely baffling. Sorry that, for you, it might be right out of the gate that it is occurring. At least I had a period of "normalcy" before some random craziness. Now wincing each time grades are released, even if there is no disaster. Sort of a "conditioned" reflex. The notes are supposedly left from grader to grader, just to point out things that were observed. It may not even be the most important thing, like subscription crease not noted, especially if it was so obvious no one would miss it. No need to note it. Might be a list of the more subtle things that COULD get overlooked. There is no requirement to supply grader notes. CGC is technically paid to give the comic a grade. That being completed, there is no obligation to provide a tour of the book, or an appraisal, or comprehensive assessment. For stuff like that, the fees would soar. JOENAVY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 More notes does not necessarily = worse flaws. 1 subscription crease would make a book lower grade than both of these, for example. JOENAVY, The Lions Den and Deadpoolica 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro. Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, JOENAVY said: How did I just get a 7.5 for the Namor #1 with so minor grading note issues and then an 8.5 for Black Knight #1 with way more issues and serious ones?! Should I or better yet can I complain? Charge yer phone @BlowUpTheMoon Edited January 13, 2021 by Jeffro. stnman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ride the Tiger Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Graders notes don't always tell the tale of the defect. You could have 2 books that say "tear at top of spine". One book has an 1/8 inch tear. The other has a 2 inch tear. The deduction will be different for both books even though they have the exact same wording in the notes. JOENAVY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro. Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 @JOENAVY As has been mentioned already the whole story can't be told solely from the grader's notes. Please post pics (good, large high quality pics that show the entire book) and then we can give you our opinions. JOENAVY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverseeker Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 11 hours ago, Lightning55 said: The notes are supposedly left from grader to grader, just to point out things that were observed. It may not even be the most important thing, like subscription crease not noted, especially if it was so obvious no one would miss it. No need to note it. Might be a list of the more subtle things that COULD get overlooked. I've noticed this as well over the years...some graders leave very extensive notes while others just document the major flaws. JOENAVY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpoolica Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 I'd say the "light staining" is what really hurt you but, as others have mentioned pics would be helpful JOENAVY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOENAVY Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 Lol thanks for the insight..and the phone needing a charge. So, I did pay to get them pressed also. Shouldn't that take out any light creases? I didnt see any, so had to be light. I mean here is a pic of the book before i sent it. For a 68' looked damn good. I don't have a pic of the back, but was just as good. I think they swapped the grades and notes. They are both 68' books and submitted together and graded together. The Black Knight was a 7.5 cgc graded that was cracked to get signed, which is weird. I was expecting an 8.5 or 9.0 for Namor. Thanks again for helping this dead phone havin' retired vet out guys! 1950's war comics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning55 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 If you think they swapped the grades and/or notes, you might be able to tell when you get them back. The notes on the Black Knight give some specific locations for the flaws. Can't be the same on both books. JOENAVY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1950's war comics Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 looks correctly graded FoggyNelson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perpendiculous Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 You didn’t happen to buy that book from “Kelleyssuperheros” on eBay, did you? I recognize that table and the angle of the photo and the image resolution. If not, forgive me. If so, you may want to research that seller on the boards. And elsewhere... Randall Ries 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOENAVY Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 Well hot damn this makes up for that loss. Bought this sucka for $250 three months ago. Not too shabby seanfingh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perpendiculous Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 hour ago, E5150 said: Uh oh, could be a Danny/Richard/Perry sighting. If it is, the fact that these books came back Blue is remarkable... JOENAVY, E5150 and LDarkseid1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOENAVY Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 Yes, yes it is sorry, just got done thanking god I even got a 7.5. Damn, didnt know about that guy. It was just the Namor #1 thank god. He had it up for 1,000dlrs, i got it for $500. If I paid the 1k ooooh lawd it would be bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldrover Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 6 hours ago, JOENAVY said: Well hot damn this makes up for that loss. Bought this sucka for $250 three months ago. Not too shabby Nazirite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perpendiculous Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 2 hours ago, JOENAVY said: Yes, yes it is sorry, just got done thanking god I even got a 7.5. Damn, didnt know about that guy. It was just the Namor #1 thank god. He had it up for 1,000dlrs, i got it for $500. If I paid the 1k ooooh lawd it would be bad. Consider yourself very lucky to be clear of him. He nearly cost me tens of thousands once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC33 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Your best bet is to resubmit if you don't like the grade, they have hundreds of graders and a +/- full grade is not uncommon. Nobody can grade or even ball park anything from that kind of scan and angle, so don't ask our opinion without a close up front and back. FYI, it is impossible to complain to CGC about grading issues. I had several strong issues in my opinion and their textbook response is essentially... we are CGC with our own internal grading standards, go pound sand. Resubmitting a green label with missing centerfold and asking specifically for another green label qualified grade, they instead give me a blue label .5 even though I said keep it green label only and they would not fix the problem. "Its our call" which label to use; but is consistency in using same labels/grading on the same exact book too much to ask? The last time they actually did anything for me was on my restored All Star 8 where they left it loose in the slab and shoved the gutter inside the pages (and partly into the cover) causing damage, tears and folds in the book. FYI, the gutter should be on the back of the comic to hold it in place. You would think they would be a little more careful slabbing a 5 figure book, plus I am Not sure how this made it out of quality control when I could see this damage and mistake from 10 feet away, but at least they had CCS fix their damage and re-slabbed it for me. Thank got it was not unrestored with that happening, or it could have lost 10-20K in value from that. Short of something like that, don't expect much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 49 minutes ago, TC33 said: Your best bet is to resubmit if you don't like the grade, they have hundreds of graders and a +/- full grade is not uncommon. Nobody can grade or even ball park anything from that kind of scan and angle, so don't ask our opinion without a close up front and back. FYI, it is impossible to complain to CGC about grading issues. I had several strong issues in my opinion and their textbook response is essentially... we are CGC with our own internal grading standards, go pound sand. Resubmitting a green label with missing centerfold and asking specifically for another green label qualified grade, they instead give me a blue label .5 even though I said keep it green label only and they would not fix the problem. "Its our call" which label to use; but is consistency in using same labels/grading on the same exact book too much to ask? The last time they actually did anything for me was on my restored All Star 8 where they left it loose in the slab and shoved the gutter inside the pages (and partly into the cover) causing damage, tears and folds in the book. FYI, the gutter should be on the back of the comic to hold it in place. You would think they would be a little more careful slabbing a 5 figure book, plus I am Not sure how this made it out of quality control when I could see this damage and mistake from 10 feet away, but at least they had CCS fix their damage and re-slabbed it for me. Thank got it was not unrestored with that happening, or it could have lost 10-20K in value from that. Short of something like that, don't expect much. theCapraAegagrus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...