MicroJow Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Does anyone else think CGC should do away with the whole "#2 (1)" numbering on their labels and just label them as "#1", etc? I mean, I understand the reasoning behind the first few issues being labeled the way they are, but #4 (3) even has "No. 3" on the cover and once a book is slabbed no one's gong to be opening it to look at the indicia... Anyway. Just my personal preference. If the majority agrees, think we could convince CGC to make the change? - J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, MicroJow said: think we could convince CGC to make the change? no -bc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmat Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Why there is no #1? I always wondered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MicroJow Posted April 12, 2021 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, marmat said: Why there is no #1? I always wondered Human Torch Comics took over the numbering from Red Raven Comics. There is no number on the cover of Human Torch Comics #1 and the indicia (copyright section) on the inside says it is #2. But by issue 3, they had a "3" on the cover even though the indicia has "4". By issue 6 they got everything sorted and 6-38 are all numbered correctly. - J lou_fine and marmat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pemart1966 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 It's been going on as is for decades now. It must be left as is. Robot Man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 On 4/12/2021 at 1:28 PM, MicroJow said: There is no number on the cover of Human Torch Comics #1 and the indicia (copyright section) on the inside says it is #2. But by issue 3, they had a "3" on the cover even though the indicia has "4". Yeah, I have one of these early Human Torch issues and for the life of me, can never figure out or remember which one of them I have. I always have to go back to the Overstreet guide and look for the one with the lower valuation and sadly, that's the one which I would own. KCOComics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat-Man_America Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Just remember the Summer & Fall numbers for #5; the second is the battle issue with the number prominently displayed... ...All the earlier issues through the first number five are one issue earlier than numbered. Only the fourth issue of (HT #3) includes an actual number on the cover, the rest of the early issues just focus on the quarterly season. Mmehdy, Larryw7 and pmpknface 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) Yeah, that's the one that I always get mixed up on and as you know, I would own the non-battle issue that's worth a lot less. Can't really complain that much though since I picked it up in a small grouping of early GA books that averaged out to about $1K a pop and the issue of Human Torch was the only Timely in the bunch and was actually in pretty HG condition. Edited April 14, 2021 by lou_fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillMan Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Anyone know who owns the Church copy of Human Torch #3(#2) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 5 hours ago, ChillMan said: Anyone know who owns the Church copy of Human Torch #3(#2) ? Rose, John jr or Nan. ChillMan and Larryw7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 4 hours ago, Timely said: 9 hours ago, ChillMan said: Anyone know who owns the Church copy of Human Torch #3(#2) ? Rose, John jr or Nan. How in this huge global diverse world of ours would you even know this? Do all of you guys in the grading biz place hidden invisible trackers inside the books and slabs after you grade them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicnoir Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 1 hour ago, lou_fine said: How in this huge global diverse world of ours would you even know this? Do all of you guys in the grading biz place hidden invisible trackers inside the books and slabs after you grade them? John Verzyl owned practically all the Church Timely's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 50 minutes ago, comicnoir said: 2 hours ago, lou_fine said: How in this huge global diverse world of ours would you even know this? Do all of you guys in the grading biz place hidden invisible trackers inside the books and slabs after you grade them? John Verzyl owned practically all the Church Timely's I was just teasing as I believe almost everybody that's been collecting GA books for awhile already knows this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicnoir Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, lou_fine said: I was just teasing as I believe almost everybody that's been collecting GA books for awhile already knows this. Teasing and irony are hard on the internet. lou_fine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillMan Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 On 4/15/2021 at 12:15 AM, lou_fine said: How in this huge global diverse world of ours would you even know this? Do all of you guys in the grading biz place hidden invisible trackers inside the books and slabs after you grade them? The old CGC labels from 20 years ago...old style...should command a big premium. Especially Church copies. Those are the only comics that haven't been tampered with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman619 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 One would think... Larryw7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman619 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 Sorry if that was cryptic. I just mean that pressing and “restoration” weren’t invented in 2001. Books have always been improved by collectors and dealers since it all began. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...