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[jimbo_7071]

It would be a good experiment to buy some Promise books, crack them out, re-submit them as non-peds, and see what kind of grades they get. I don't think many of them would retain their grades. (I personally can't afford that sort of venture, but I encourage everyone else here to try it.)

[batman_fan]

To not have the Promise books worked on before grading would be like dropping a $10,000,000 bill on the ground for someone else to pick up.  The end state for all these books was to have been pressed at a bare minimum of once.  I suspect many of the ones that graded less than 9.0 will get careful scrutiny to see if further work could bump the grade.  If I had to venture a guess of how many people on the boards press their own books, I would take the over if the number thrown out was 100.

[MattTheDuck]

1 hour ago, tabcom said:

2021 #regradepromisecollection campaign.

All buyers of the collection return the items to CGC. Demanding that the grades be reevaluated down by two points.

Taking a stand, together we can fight injustice.

And paying for the re-slab, of course

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

1 hour ago, tabcom said:

2021 #regradepromisecollection campaign.

All buyers of the collection return the items to CGC. Demanding that the grades be reevaluated down by two points.

Taking a stand, together we can fight injustice.

 

[Funnybooks]

21 minutes ago, batman_fan said:

To not have the Promise books worked on before grading would be like dropping a $10,000,000 bill on the ground for someone else to pick up.  The end state for all these books was to have been pressed at a bare minimum of once.  I suspect many of the ones that graded less than 9.0 will get careful scrutiny to see if further work could bump the grade.  If I had to venture a guess of how many people on the boards press their own books, I would take the over if the number thrown out was 100.

Exactly. Easy to spend other people's money.

[Terry JSA]

7 hours ago, Dr. Love said:

well then for you Peter @Gotham Kid

upcoming Promises

Batman	1	2.0	CR-OW
Batman	2	2.0	CR-OW
Batman	3	4.0	OW
Batman	4	5.0	CR-OW
Batman	5	4.5	OW
Batman	6	6.5	OW
Batman	7	5.5	OW
Batman	8	5.5	OW
Batman	9	3.0	OW
Batman	10	5.0	OW
Batman	11	6.5	CR-OW
Batman	12	7.5	OWW
Batman	13	4.5	OW
Batman	14	6.5	OW
Batman	15	7.5	OW
Batman	16	6.0	OW
Batman	17	7.0	OW
Batman	19	8.0	OW
Batman	57	9.0	OWW
Detective Comics	55	5.5	OWW
Detective Comics	63	6.5	OWW
Detective Comics	70	5.5	OWW
Detective Comics	74	7.0	OWW
Detective Comics	75	6.5	OWW
Detective Comics	77	6.0	OWW
Detective Comics	81	5.0	OW
Detective Comics	83	8.0	OWW
Detective Comics	84	7.5	OWW
Detective Comics	93	8.5	W

I wonder if there’s a TEC #168 in this collection. There were some close to that issue in the previous auction. 

Edited June 28, 2021 by Terry_JSA

[Terry JSA]

On 6/25/2021 at 11:09 PM, bpc3qh said:

I'll be very interested in this book. I consider it a hugely underrated D.C. key, and Two-Face is, to my mind, #3 on the list of Batman's villains (behind only the Joker and Ra's al Ghul. Of course it won't come near the highest prices for the other Promise Detective books, but I'm very curious nonetheless to see how it does.

I’m curious to see how it does as well but at the same time this presents better than a 7.5 to me. The grading seems a bit off for this one. 

[vheflin]

2 minutes ago, Terry_JSA said:

I’m curious to see how it does as well but at the same time this presents better than a 7.5 to me. The grading seems a bit off for this one. 

Are you saying a Promise book is undergraded?

And are you willing to testify in a court of law?

[Funnybooks]

18 minutes ago, Terry_JSA said:

I’m curious to see how it does as well but at the same time this presents better than a 7.5 to me. The grading seems a bit off for this one. 

There seems to be a couple of tears on the bc amounting to approximately an inch that is "likely" the primary reason for the grade

[Terry JSA]

17 minutes ago, Funnybooks said:

There seems to be a couple of tears on the bc amounting to approximately an inch that is "likely" the primary reason for the grade

Didn’t see the back scan. I checked it out and I see one noticeable tear and a few slight ones, can’t complain as it’s still a nice presenting book. 

[jimbo_7071]

6 hours ago, batman_fan said:

To not have the Promise books worked on before grading would be like dropping a $10,000,000 bill on the ground for someone else to pick up.  The end state for all these books was to have been pressed at a bare minimum of once.  I suspect many of the ones that graded less than 9.0 will get careful scrutiny to see if further work could bump the grade.  If I had to venture a guess of how many people on the boards press their own books, I would take the over if the number thrown out was 100.

I guess it depends on who the bidder is. My max bid on a book is much higher if I believe that a book is unpressed. I paid $1500 for this book because it appeared to me to be unpressed (although who knows for sure). If it had been an obviously-pressed 9.0 or 9.2, I doubt that I would have bid on it, so it might well have sold for less.

Edited June 28, 2021 by jimbo_7071

[Straw-Man]

14 hours ago, batman_fan said:

To not have the Promise books worked on before grading would be like dropping a $10,000,000 bill on the ground for someone else to pick up.  The end state for all these books was to have been pressed at a bare minimum of once.  I suspect many of the ones that graded less than 9.0 will get careful scrutiny to see if further work could bump the grade.  If I had to venture a guess of how many people on the boards press their own books, I would take the over if the number thrown out was 100.

so true.   the sentiment is different in the ostrich community.

[jimbo_7071]

57 minutes ago, Straw-Man said:

so true.   the sentiment is different in the ostrich community.

Members of the ostrich community do sell books from time to time, albeit not often. I've sold three slabbed books in the last nine years; none were pressed before I sold them. Does that mean that I "left money on the table?" Perhaps—but not enough to make me or break me, I'll warrant.

 

 

 

 

[Straw-Man]

i press very few; my comment was directed only to what the promise owners' due diligence led them to.   obviously correct choice, imo.

[jimbo_7071]

23 minutes ago, Straw-Man said:

i press very few; my comment was directed only to what the promise owners' due diligence led them to.   obviously correct choice, imo.

If they wanted to have the books pressed, I think that it could have been done more judiciously. Is there a way to press a book without the risk of popping the staple? Can the staple be removed before pressing and then put back in after pressing without resulting in a PLOD? Maybe a book with a staple that is not aligned with the spine shouldn't even be a candidate for pressing. I would be willing to bet that the Cap 46 looked better before pressing, yet CGC's policy of ignoring pressing-related defects and awarding bonus points to books that look like pancakes has rigged the game.

 

Edited June 28, 2021 by jimbo_7071

[buttock]

32 minutes ago, jimbo_7071 said:

If they wanted to have the books pressed, I think that it could have been done more judiciously. Is there a way to press a book without the risk of popping the staple? Can the staple be removed before pressing and then put back in after pressing without resulting in a PLOD? Maybe a book with a staple that is not aligned with the spine shouldn't even be a candidate for pressing. I would be willing to bet that the Cap 46 looked better before pressing, yet CGC's policy of ignoring pressing-related defects and awarding bonus points to books that look like pancakes has rigged the game.

 

To be fair you're making an assumption here.  You have no idea what the staples on that book looked like prior to it being pressed.  I've been very vocal here about my disdain for the way that CCS seems to pop staples, but without seeing before and after pictures here I don't know that I'm willing to be as adamant as you are that this is caused by CCS. 

[jimjum12]

1 minute ago, buttock said:

To be fair you're making an assumption here.  You have no idea what the staples on that book looked like prior to it being pressed.  I've been very vocal here about my disdain for the way that CCS seems to pop staples, but without seeing before and after pictures here I don't know that I'm willing to be as adamant as you are that this is caused by CCS. 

There are a LOT of assumptions made in this thread ... the first of which is that every book in this collection has been pressed. It seems like those who dislike pressing the most know the least about it. GOD BLESS ...

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

[Gotham Kid]

22 hours ago, Dr. Love said:

Detective Comics 55 5.5 OWW Detective Comics 63 6.5 OWW Detective Comics 70 5.5 OWW Detective Comics 74 7.0 OWW Detective Comics 75 6.5 OWW Detective Comics 77 6.0 OWW Detective Comics 81 5.0 OW Detective Comics 83 8.0 OWW Detective Comics 84 7.5 OWW Detective Comics 93 8.5 W

also

Tec 39 4.5

Tec 43 4.0

Tec 44 5.0

Tec 45 7.0

Tec 46 6.5

Tec 47 6.5

Tec 48 6.5

Tec 49 7.0

Tec 50 7.0

Affordable copies of some great early covers

Edited June 28, 2021 by Gotham Kid

[Terry JSA]

16 hours ago, batman_fan said:

To not have the Promise books worked on before grading would be like dropping a $10,000,000 bill on the ground for someone else to pick up.  The end state for all these books was to have been pressed at a bare minimum of once.  I suspect many of the ones that graded less than 9.0 will get careful scrutiny to see if further work could bump the grade.  If I had to venture a guess of how many people on the boards press their own books, I would take the over if the number thrown out was 100.

Edited June 28, 2021 by Terry_JSA

[buttock]

2 hours ago, jimjum12 said:

There are a LOT of assumptions made in this thread ... the first of which is that every book in this collection has been pressed. It seems like those who dislike pressing the most know the least about it. GOD BLESS ...

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

It's also very presumptive to assume that every book that's not 9.8 was damaged by pressing.  I mean, these are 70-80 years old.  Most of them didn't make it to the newsstand in 9.8.