The Lions Den Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 37 minutes ago, LordRahl said: Oh absolutely. For anyone that has broken free more than a few books, this is pretty common knowledge. The slab hides all kinds of defects. It really is amazing how much the slab can disguise certain flaws. One of challenges of being a Quality Control specialist is being able to match the book to the grade on the label, and there are times where the book will look dramatically better than the assigned grade. I'm sure an entire thread could be devoted to this subject... tth2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo_7071 Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 40 minutes ago, LordRahl said: Oh absolutely. For anyone that has broken free more than a few books, this is pretty common knowledge. The slab hides all kinds of defects. So do Mylar sleeves. I figured that out back in the 80s by buying books from dealers racks without pulling the books out first. Unfortunately, the type of defects that don't show through a Mylar sleeve also don't show in scans, so I've had similar disappointments buying books online. The Lions Den and tth2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo_7071 Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, The Lions Den said: It really is amazing how much the slab can disguise certain flaws. One of challenges of being a Quality Control specialist is being able to match the book to the grade on the label, and there are times where the book will look dramatically better than the assigned grade. I'm sure an entire thread could be devoted to this subject... Your comments make me wonder whether my books with CVA stickers were worth the crazy multiples that I paid for them .... Larryw7 and The Lions Den 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jimjum12 Posted May 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, jimbo_7071 said: So do Mylar sleeves. I figured that out back in the 80s by buying books from dealers racks without pulling the books out first. Unfortunately, the type of defects that don't show through a Mylar sleeve also don't show in scans, so I've had similar disappointments buying books online. I had the exact opposite today ... this was just a mid 60's Fantastic Four, but if I had gone by the dealer's scan, I probably would have thought "two increments less" ... but I know this guy's grading and how his scanner ampifies defects ... and a slab can sometimes do that, as well. I've seen a slab create the mirage of rusty staples. spine rolls that weren't actually there, corner defects that aren't... but still, today's slab product is pretty impressive. The hobby may last another few hundred years because of slabbing, before all turns to dust ... dust in the wind, like they used to say. GOD BLESS.... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) Edited May 28, 2021 by jimjum12 Badger, adamstrange, jimbo_7071 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, jimbo_7071 said: Your comments make me wonder whether my books with CVA stickers were worth the crazy multiples that I paid for them .... As we used to say: "Don't ever crack them out!" jimbo_7071 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, szav said: It is taking longer than I thought it might for some of my tracking bids to get nuked. But yesterday wasn’t technically even day one. Pretty sure they said during the interview they’d release a master list, but that surprised me. I agree they’d want to keep it under wraps so they don’t encourage people to patiently wait on anything in later auctions. If it was me I'd produce the list, AFTER all lots are auctioned, for a nominal fee. GOD BLESS... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrange Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 4 hours ago, lou_fine said: Did you get a chance to ask about the Suspense run since I noticed that they already got the last half of the run graded and slabbed quite early on? Interested in where the classic cover Suspense 3 will end up in comparison to both the Penn and Church copies from a few years ago. Also the Suspense 4 which is apparently the toughest of the lot to find in grade, along with the Suspense 1 which I consider to be the poor man’s version of Suspense 3. I already asked and was told there was no Suspense comics#3 in the collection. szucchini, jimjum12, greggy and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmehdy Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 2 hours ago, jimbo_7071 said: Your comments make me wonder whether my books with CVA stickers were worth the crazy multiples that I paid for them .... CVA to means means its too close to call on the next grade up...I agree a premium needs to taken into consideration but limited to possible the next higher grade price level. Top grade choice GA books cost money and I am sure overtime you prices will seem reasonable and not crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mmehdy said: CVA to means means its too close to call on the next grade up...I agree a premium needs to taken into consideration but limited to possible the next higher grade price level. Top grade choice GA books cost money and I am sure overtime you prices will seem reasonable and not crazy. CVA was meant to follow in the footsteps of CAC, a similar and wildly successful service for the coin industry . I don't have the details, but they have a gold tier where if they give your coin that level, they will actually have a standing offer to buy that slab from you at full grade guide (... presumably it is nicer than the grade.) I've bought coins with those stickers and compared to similar grades they are badazz. GOD BLESS... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo_7071 Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Mmehdy said: CVA to means means its too close to call on the next grade up...I agree a premium needs to taken into consideration but limited to possible the next higher grade price level. Top grade choice GA books cost money and I am sure overtime you prices will seem reasonable and not crazy. I was kidding—I didn't actually pay more based on the stickers but rather the appearance of the books (based on my own judgment). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehumantorch Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 3 hours ago, The Lions Den said: It really is amazing how much the slab can disguise certain flaws. One of challenges of being a Quality Control specialist is being able to match the book to the grade on the label, and there are times where the book will look dramatically better than the assigned grade. I'm sure an entire thread could be devoted to this subject... I'd imagine there is information about how CGC operates that you can't provide but is there any chance you could start a thread and give us a walk through on how CGC grading works from your experiences? I'd find it very interesting. The Lions Den, Badger and Larryw7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicdonna Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 1 hour ago, jimjum12 said: CVA was meant to follow in the footsteps of CAC, a similar and wildly successful service for the coin industry . The Green Bean! jimjum12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aardvark88 Posted May 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2021 1 hour ago, thehumantorch said: I'd find it very interesting. I Promise you .... Professor K, The Lions Den, Mmehdy and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman619 Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 That video is kinda interesting, cause the non bearded guy has been promoting modern books heavily for a few years. Sure he’s also touted bronze kegs etc, but I’ve never seen him go on about or be interested in Golden Age books... has he? If he is a voice for the modern crowd, has the ears of the new guys, perhaps they listen and start getting into GA?? jimjum12, The Lions Den and aardvark88 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry JSA Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 3 hours ago, Aman619 said: That video is kinda interesting, cause the non bearded guy has been promoting modern books heavily for a few years. Sure he’s also touted bronze kegs etc, but I’ve never seen him go on about or be interested in Golden Age books... has he? If he is a voice for the modern crowd, has the ears of the new guys, perhaps they listen and start getting into GA?? To be fair, this collection is pretty interesting. Tom covering it isn’t a surprise to me, It basically came out of no where and no one expected it. 5000+ GA books in high grade (some probably over graded) but still, it amazes me. I think it’s cool to see him use his platform and talk about this. Larryw7 and jimjum12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry JSA Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 On 5/27/2021 at 1:08 AM, LordRahl said: Haven't been on the boards in over a year but I see nothing has changed. For those of you that keep bringing up over-graded books you either have short memories or maybe you just don't pay attention to silver age peds as they are probably beneath you golden age BSD's. I remember very distinctly when the Twin Cities ped came out, a few boardies blasting CGC for over-grading. People jumped on the bandwagon of course and everyone was posting books they thought were over-graded. Were some of those books over-graded? Probably. Some were probably under-graded and some were dead on. The people grading these books are just that.... people. Not computers. People make mistakes. Also there is a great deal of subjectivity in grading. Factor in the fact that I'm sure when these peds come through, it's notable. These guys aren't seeing books like this on a daily basis so there may be a natural tendency to be overly exuberant and be more lenient. The Twin Cities ped has now been in the market for over a decade and I don't think it's considered a particularly over-graded or inferior ped. Oh and for the CGC/HA conspiracy theory crowd... the Twin Cities ped wasn't submitted by HA. How do you explain that? I don’t know.. some of the grades don’t make any sense to me, especially this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gotham Kid Posted May 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2021 25 minutes ago, Terry_JSA said: I don’t know.. some of the grades don’t make any sense to me, especially this one. Structurally, it is an 8.5. Overall eye appeal on the other hand, not quite. The Lions Den, vheflin, Badger and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry JSA Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 23 minutes ago, Gotham Kid said: Structurally, it is an 8.5. Overall eye appeal on the other hand, not quite. It makes sense when you put it that way, but I think CGC would’ve at least knocked it down a few grades due to the dust shadow if this wasn’t a book from a pedigree collection. vheflin and jimbo_7071 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 8 hours ago, mstrange said: I already asked and was told there was no Suspense comics#3 in the collection. Well, I guess the owners of both the Penn and Church copy of Suspense 3 are probably breathing a sigh of relief after hearing this. Any idea if this was just for Suspense 3 only , or were the other early Suspense Comics also missing from the collection as I believe the only ones graded so far has been from either Suspense 5 or 6 and then the later issues after that? Also, did you get a chance to ask about Punch 12 since quite a few boardies was wondering about this classic cover issue here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman619 Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 Looks to me more like the books is a 9.4 structurally, tight, clean unread with white pages, but has a 3 point demeriting dust shadow. greggy, The Lions Den, Badger and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
