First silver age Red Skull? 1 1

[Cushing Fan]

Hi everyone, 

So I'm interested in getting the first silver age appearance of the Red Skull. Tales of Suspense 65 has the Red Skull on the cover but I've heard that is an imposter and the original Red Skull appears in TOS 66. I looked online and found two different descriptions on CGC labels. What's the deal?

[ADAMANTIUM]

The bottom one is the newest label, so that is what the label probably currently says  

but if you're going by the cgc label, better to look both books up in the census to read the description of the book, perhaps.

 

[Cushing Fan]

14 minutes ago, ADAMANTIUM said:

The bottom one is the newest label, so that is what the label probably currently says  

but if you're going by the cgc label, better to look both books up in the census to read the description of the book, perhaps.

 

Okay, so TOS66 is the first silver age appearance of the real Red Skull Johann Schmidt. 

[ADAMANTIUM]

So I guess you'll have to get both?

 

[Dick Pontoon]

FWIW, I've always considered TOS #65 his first SA appearance, as does Overstreet and the market in general.

[serling1978]

1 hour ago, ADAMANTIUM said:

So I guess you'll have to get both?

 

That's what I did 

[KirbyJack]

I’m in the TOS 66 camp.

[Gaard]

Similar to ST114.

[Readcomix]

6 minutes ago, Gaard said:

Similar to ST114.

Not exactly. The Schmidt-Amazon thing is a retcon of the GA character, and ST114 is the Acrobat in disguise in that issue.

[Cushing Fan]

Just scored a Tales of Suspense 66 CGC 7.5 - first silver age appearance of the original Red Skull - with white pages to boot! 

[musicmeta]

I have both in 9.4 so I'm covered. 

[Cushing Fan]

1 hour ago, musicmeta said:

I have both in 9.4 so I'm covered. 

That's awesome 👌 Sounds like there might be an increased interest in the Red Skull again soon if this rumor proves true:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wegotthiscovered.com/movies/captain-america-4-reportedly-feature-2-returning-villains/amp/

[musicmeta]

1 hour ago, Cushing Fan said:

That's awesome 👌 Sounds like there might be an increased interest in the Red Skull again soon if this rumor proves true:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wegotthiscovered.com/movies/captain-america-4-reportedly-feature-2-returning-villains/amp/

That would be awesome for more Red Skull! Thanks for the link

[rexinnih]

All along, I had TOS 65 as the first Red Skull and didn't know this background. Off to get me a TOS 66 also. 

[Cruzin' Thru Comics]

Not sure how 66 is his 1st appearance when he’s on the cover of 65? I sold two cgc copies of 65 in the shop and always thought that was his 1st 

Edited May 5, 2021 by Cruzin' Thru Comics

[Cushing Fan]

6 hours ago, Cruzin' Thru Comics said:

Not sure how 66 is his 1st appearance when he’s on the cover of 65? I sold two cgc copies of 65 in the shop and always thought that was his 1st 

I posted the CGC registration description above.  The Red Skull on TOS65 is Maxon, a criminal masquerading as the Red Skull and  under the influence of Schmidt, a Nazi and the real Red Skull. In TOS66, Schmidt captures Captain America and explains this to him along with his origin. This is also described in the Marvel database synopsis of TOS66 listed below:

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Tales_of_Suspense_Vol_1_66

Edited May 5, 2021 by Cushing Fan