sckao Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 That's an age-old issue as well. You buy a 9.0 raw...It's got some NCB creases... maybe a little waviness. You take it home, bag it and double board it in a mylites2 inside a mylar with an ultra-smooth acid-free backing board (instead of a backing board with texture). Then you put it into an absolutely solid block of comics for 15 years in a dark closet. Rock solid. Even the box is a solid box with no give. 15 years later, that book comes out looking better than it did when it went in. It's flat. Did you just restore that book? Because you just pressed it in a rudimentary fashion didn't you? Or does pressing always include heat? oakman29, WEBHEAD, RockMyAmadeus and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/4/2021 at 11:08 PM, sckao said: That's an age-old issue as well. You buy a 9.0 raw...It's got some NCB creases... maybe a little waviness. You take it home, bag it and double board it in a mylites2 inside a mylar with an ultra-smooth acid-free backing board (instead of a backing board with texture). Then you put it into an absolutely solid block of comics for 15 years in a dark closet. Rock solid. Even the box is a solid box with no give. 15 years later, that book comes out looking better than it did when it went in. It's flat. Did you just restore that book? Because you just pressed it in a rudimentary fashion didn't you? Or does pressing always include heat? grendelbo, oakman29, Mystafo and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sckao Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 It's just a theoretical... You probably shouldn't buy any raw books either probably because they could be pressed but be rejected by a pre-screen. The chain of custody is hard to prove. OJ Pimpson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakman29 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 CGC should have a label for pressed books that they themselves pressed. Let's see how that works out. Larryw7, grendelbo and PopKulture 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sckao Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) Some dealers are also professional pressers... So if you know this, and you see them set up an Conventions, you have to realize their entire inventory may be pressed and include RAW books. The game is lost already. Edited November 5, 2021 by sckao RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Sunny Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/4/2021 at 11:15 PM, oakman29 said: CGC should have a label for pressed books that they themselves pressed. Let's see how that works out. Yes, but then people would just press professionally BEFORE sending to CGC, and it would be REALLY hard to uncover that. Namtak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/4/2021 at 11:15 PM, sckao said: It's just a theoretical... You probably shouldn't buy any raw books either probably because they could be pressed but be rejected by a pre-screen. The chain of custody is hard to prove. Hence the reason I only buy OO & warehouse books And with raw books, I know an unpressed book when I see one. sckao, Azkaban, Larryw7 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Sunny Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/4/2021 at 11:15 PM, oakman29 said: CGC should have a label for pressed books that they themselves pressed. Let's see how that works out. Are you a collector? I ask because I'm curious how you avoid pressing. Do you only buy from the "wild"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalPSI Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/4/2021 at 8:18 PM, Joe Peck said: Yes, but then people would just press professionally BEFORE sending to CGC, and it would be REALLY hard to uncover that. This........happens.....uh. oakman29, awakeintheashes and Larryw7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalPSI Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/4/2021 at 8:19 PM, THE_BEYONDER said: Hence the reason I only buy OO & warehouse books And with raw books, I know an unpressed book when I see one. I know a nice pair of buttocks when I see one Larryw7 and Azkaban 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakman29 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/4/2021 at 8:20 PM, Joe Peck said: Are you a collector? I ask because I'm curious how you avoid pressing. Do you only buy from the "wild"? I've been a collector for 45 years, and I buy from just a handful of people that I know who and what they are about. So yes i avoid pressing just fine. Larryw7 and Azkaban 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kav Posted November 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) On 11/4/2021 at 7:46 PM, oakman29 said: On 11/4/2021 at 7:41 PM, Joe Peck said: I see. Mint books become less rare with pressing, but I don't see how that is a bad thing. Again, not judging just understanding. Regardless of what people here say, pressing IS restoration. Manipulating a book to look better or grade higher is the very definition of restoration. I reject it. I would be more pleased to find a near mint condition copy instead of a manipulated book. Pretty simple really. Heat and pressure change paper and ink. Oakman is right. For all we know as decades pass the pressed books will start degrading. Ink fade and browning/brittling. Edited November 5, 2021 by kav Namtak, PopKulture, djzombi and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse-Lee Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/4/2021 at 10:55 PM, kav said: Heat and pressure change paper and ink. Oakman is right. For all we know as decades pass the pressed books will start degrading. Ink fade and browning/brittling. Is it possible for pressed defects to come back? Honest question I've been curious about. Like can the paper that had a bend or crease "revert" or anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalPSI Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/4/2021 at 9:14 PM, Jesse-Lee said: Is it possible for pressed defects to come back? Honest question I've been curious about. Like can the paper that had a bend or crease "revert" or anything? I've heard it can, something to do with "memory", although the press is supposed to revert the paper to its initial manufacture memory Beige and Jesse-Lee 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalPSI Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 It's a LOT more complex than that of course. Something to do with fibers and bonding @joeypost is an expert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sckao Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Pressing has been around for over 40 years... according to CGC's website. That's four decades. It should be easy to detect degradation if it is happening shouldn't it? There are many laboratories who can do the required analyses. (Instead of all this speculation.)CCS Pressing | CGC (cgccomics.com) WEBHEAD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JazzMan Posted November 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2021 What has changed on these boards over the last 20+ years? Greggy used to post long and elaborate posts that took up many, many paragraphs at times and were very insightful into the hobby. Now, in his old age, he usually replies with an emoji or "That's what she said". Thank goodness the days of Strawberry Shortcake are in the past. grendelbo, musicmeta, kav and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/4/2021 at 10:21 PM, JazzMan said: What has changed on these boards over the last 20+ years? Greggy used to post long and elaborate posts that took up many, many paragraphs at times and were very insightful into the hobby. Now, in his old age, he usually replies with an emoji or "That's what she said". Thank goodness the days of Strawberry Shortcake are in the past. he said all he needed to say and now he's retired from talking. Namtak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post onlyweaknesskryptonite Posted November 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 12:21 AM, JazzMan said: Strawberry Shortcake Timmay, musicmeta, kav and 7 others 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
