Lord Gemini Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 11:12 AM, POS#1 said: Sucks to be wrong. You would know. We're done here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystafo Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) On 11/5/2021 at 11:12 AM, POS#1 said: Sucks to be wrong. On 11/5/2021 at 11:12 AM, Shawn Everidge said: You would know. We're done here. NOOOOOB FIIIIIGHT!!!!! ..sorry. Edited November 5, 2021 by Mystafo Larryw7 and Fisionbomb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Gemini Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 11:14 AM, Mystafo said: NOOOOOB FIIIIIGHT!!!!! ..sorry. Ha ha. Nah, when I say I'm done, I'm done. Mystafo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shadroch Posted November 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) On 11/5/2021 at 9:14 AM, Mystafo said: NOOOOOB FIIIIIGHT!!!!! ..sorry. Shill fight would be more accurate. It amazes me, even after all these years, that people don't have the balls to say things under their own names. Do they think coming on as an obvious shill is going to make their point stronger? Edited November 5, 2021 by shadroch Fisionbomb, oakman29, Mystafo and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Gemini Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 11:18 AM, shadroch said: Shill fight would be more accurate. It amazes me, even after all these years, that people don't have the balls to say things under their own names. Do they think coming on as an obvious shill is going to make their point stronger? I'm a shill? How so? Is Shawn Everidge not my name? News to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iggy Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Re: History Lessons... well, as I remember it, back in the day, seems you couldn’t start a new post about any topic without it turning into a pressing post. The more things change and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 6:35 AM, Buzzetta said: I’ve got no problem with pressing. It’s not restoration to me. Can you please help me understand how removing a NCB bend/crease and restoring a comic to its former state isn’t...... Restoration? What would you call the removal of downgradable defects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 2:31 PM, iggy said: Re: History Lessons... well, as I remember it, back in the day, seems you couldn’t start a new post about any topic without it turning into a pressing post. The more things change and all that. Larryw7 and FFB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakman29 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 9:08 AM, ramrodcar said: I took the first part of your comment as you being sour that pressing is not restoration (and should be). My point is that I think we can all probably agree that a book being in heat/humidity/pressure without a press for days, weeks, years is not restoration. The method in which a book is subjected to heat/humidity/pressure is arbitrary. You can justify it a number of ways when it serves ones ultimate goals, cant you? Randall Dowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrodcar Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 2:05 PM, oakman29 said: You can justify it a number of ways when it serves ones ultimate goals, cant you? Yep, however I can't figure out how to logically reason the inverse (that heat/humidity/pressure is selectively restoration) RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalPSI Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 9:28 AM, Shawn Everidge said: I'm a shill? How so? Is Shawn Everidge not my name? News to me. He was speaking of Stu I think It wasn't referring to you Lord Gemini 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sckao Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 This is getting kind of into the weeds... So if you find an Action Comics #1 in a chest in an attic and it is COVERED WITH DUST and lint and whatever from being there close to 83 years, you cannot blow it off without it being restoration? You basically cannot alter its condition or restore anything that could detract from the grade it would be given in its current state? (Just a theoretical...) RockMyAmadeus, Fisionbomb and MetalPSI 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalPSI Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 12:41 PM, KrabbyDaddy said: Anything you do to a comic without mechanical/chemical assistance should be fine. So mechanical, that means a proper press, or does it include stacking phone books on a comic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sckao Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) I think it was considered restoration until CGC was established as a grading company and realized they could not reliably detect it... That essentially it would be impossible to prove. A company has to stake its claim on things it can do, not what it can't. Edited November 5, 2021 by sckao MetalPSI and RockMyAmadeus 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadroch Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) Restoration wasn't considered a bad thing until CGC decided to use a different label and a bunch of obsessive comic geeks decided to call it the purple label of doom and over-reacted to it. Try explaining to an outsider why a single dot of touchup on a cover makes the book worth 85% less. Edited November 5, 2021 by shadroch FineCollector, RockMyAmadeus, Larryw7 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalPSI Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 12:57 PM, KrabbyDaddy said: That's the "I drank the CGC Kool Aid" answer. If what you say were true PCS wouldn't have been secret and require an NDA. Plus there was a huge thread by Zaid when Overstreet changed this definition under pressure from CGC. CGC had it planned since Day 1. Elaborate, with links if possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sckao Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Pressing was around before CGC came into existence... and the restoration industry was alive and well in other artistic and cultural areas both to preserve and to restore art. Both have been co-opted to an extent in the pursuit of money. Does this detract from the purpose of comic books or the art itself? Not really. You can still enjoy the content... just not the collectability. The fact that it may have been planned does not mean that they can detect it or prove it when someone else does it. They can only give their considered expert opinion and that may not be secure enough in the case of pressing. (They clearly aren't willing to verify unwitnessed signatures officially although I realize there have been irregularities in the SS system where people try to game the system.) RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalPSI Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 I definitely don't believe it's secure I'm sure there are markers for when someone uses heat or humidity to press, I doubt it's possible to determine if a press or just a wall of books were used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalPSI Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 1:17 PM, KrabbyDaddy said: You had to be there Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalPSI Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 1:17 PM, KrabbyDaddy said: You had to be there Want you to know, wasn't a poke, genuinely want to learn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...